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Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 06:49
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I want to buy an older celica(up to an 88 model) to do up as a basic learner drift car. What Celicas were rear wheel drive (if any), & what would yous recomend ?
If not celiacs, what other would yous recomend that is also a cheap vehicle to start with (in RWD)?
Dan
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Melbourne
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 06:54
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ra65 and before are all rwd but i dont really recomend using a celica for drift. Your best bet would be to use an ae71 body and do a 4a-ge conversion, pm the witzl for instructions and advice. These cars are great for drift because they are very cheap to aquire, most parts that an ae86 uses can be used in them as well and if u stack it, it doesnt matter because u can get a new shell rather cheaply and swap over all the gear.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 06:54
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One of the KE or AE Corollas.
Or KP Starlets.
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Lost in the K hole
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 07:00
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 07:08
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join a motorsport club that partakes in motorkhana events. Dont try this on public roads.
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Bega (Far South Coast NSW)
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July 2004
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 07:52
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BY a Corona stuff all rear traction enough power and plenty of tail out action. Especially in the wet. Before I fiexd suspension in my car piss easy to slide any time any where especially in wet. Second boot throttle and rip steering most fun though
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Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 10:04
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yo broz, wassup?
yous want a fullysik dorift car?
in all seriousness, if you are starting out, just stick to a commodore with an LSD. Pretty easy to slide without much skill.. Don't push it too hard though.
Lot of torque from a 6 cylinder manual VN. Plus parts are cheap. This will be a better choice than buying an RA60 celica.
But if you want to do some more complex drifting, that's when you need a car with good balance, suspension brakes and 2 way LSD. At this stage, money shouldn't be an object, and you should pick a car not cause it's cheap, but cause of it's potential. Also, how well it suits you.
There are only a handful of cars that are this level....
So really your choices are limited.
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Sydney (Campbelltown...!)
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December 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 10:20
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best bet is a rolla early 80s model rwd like Intensevil said
and put a 4age in it if u can do all the work urself u could get away with a 86kw 4age trasnplant for $1000 using stock computer
crash it who cares then just buy a sprinter and put ur motor in that when u become more advanced
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Castle Hill, Sydney
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February 2004
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Bega (Far South Coast NSW)
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July 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 11:39
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I have also been lookin at a 84 Nissan Gazzelle & a 86 Mitsubishi Cordia. I know this is a Toyota forum, but seriously just for a beginner to start off with, what yous think?
Dan
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Perth, WA
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 11:45
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gazelle arent bad cars, the aussie spec model take a bit of work to turn it into a jap speccer. just like the aus ae86.
forget about the cordia theyre FWD. Maybe it was a starion you meant?
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Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 11:48
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yo wassup..
gazzelles look like a trueno, so they must be able to drift fully sik  .
Seriously, Gazelles are the predecessor to the silvias and 180s. They obviously don't handle as well and have a tendency to understeer a lot. Not bad rwd setups though.
Don't know too much on cordias.
Just buy a KE70 dude. and Get a T series rear end with an LS. Unfortunately, the T series will prolly cost more than the car + the motor inside
And at that price, you prolly could buy an s13
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Castle Hill, Sydney
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February 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 11:50
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i mentioned it beofre and i will again t-18....
comes with ur t seies rear....
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Melbourne
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March 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 12:13
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i'll have to adivse against a s12 unless u can get a jdm one (fj20det  ).
Also another good option would be an r31, they have enough power and parts are plenty full, their quite cheap too. Best bet would be a sillohoute because they come with a clutch type lsd in the rear (much better than some viscous thing).
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Tue, 03 August 2004 12:16
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ed man
haha your killing me
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perth WA
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June 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 12:20
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My advice would be a 2lt escort. A great car to learn in. small, good handling and cheap. A good alround car.
Cheers
Jeff
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 12:35
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MA61. Factory LSD, loves to oversteer. Must be manual, the 5ME sucks balls though
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 12:38
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get a rough silvia.. pretty simple choice really... just choose the one car that can only do what you want
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Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 13:21
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seriously one of the best pieces of advice.
plenty of aftermarket support, cheap bolt ons, arguably one of the better drift cars.
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Tue, 03 August 2004 13:25
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| shcao wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 23:21 |
seriously one of the best pieces of advice.
plenty of aftermarket support, cheap bolt ons, arguably one of the better drift cars.
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ill 2nd that
its the ultimate "bang for buck" drift car
even in ca18det form its not bad
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Adelaide, drift capital
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May 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 14:14
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I once saw these CRAZY vans that are supposed to be the bestest for dorifto. Suprisingly they are cheap and are RWD. Someone around must have some good pics of these vans drifing. From memory these were named after a popular toyota drift car, that goes by the name of Sprinter.
you might want to check it out.
In all seriousness get an old rolla, lock the diff, then enjoy.
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Melbourne
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March 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 16:04
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| ae86drift wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 23:25 |
| shcao wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 23:21 |
seriously one of the best pieces of advice.
plenty of aftermarket support, cheap bolt ons, arguably one of the better drift cars.
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ill 2nd that
its the ultimate "bang for buck" drift car
even in ca18det form its not bad
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Although thats true, they are still out of reach of some people. Not everyone has a budget of $8,000 for a ca18det s13. Ae71, t18, r31, etc are the cheapest cars for anyone to get into drifting.
Bonnetboy: if the above is true and you only have a small budget i highly suggest that you save your money for a while and get a more suitable car for drift (read S13). Patience is something that will ultimatly pay off if u perseveer with it. It all comes down to personal opinion in the end of wether u want a drift pig that u can thrash and not worry about or a nicer car thats gona cost u a bit more
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 16:18
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get an old faladore with a v8 and a welded diff
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Bega (Far South Coast NSW)
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July 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 21:53
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Thanks for all your advice. Unfortunately I've never been able to save very well. Theres 2ltr 5speed manual Gazelle locally for sale for $1500 with 8 months rego. I'm kinda lookin at that for now.
See I live in a small country town & theres not much choice in the way of cars for sale round here.
ust to straighten something out. I'm not a learner driver, I'm 27 & have had my licence since I was 17, so I know how to drive. I just have never had a go at drifting. So I'll be a "Drift Learner".
If I was to get the Gazelle, What would be the first mods/changes I should make to it to set it up for drifting?
As I said before, if the suspension isnt set up right, is there a chance of fliping the car ?
Dan
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Melbourne
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Tue, 03 August 2004 22:32
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if you are set on a gazelle, then why not..
to start off drifting, you'll need some suspension work, brakes and LSD..
Drifting is not really about power. However there is a prerequisite power to weight, and I duno if the stock gazelle cuts it.
rock on.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Tue, 03 August 2004 23:36
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| stumpy wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 22:20 |
My advice would be a 2lt escort. A great car to learn in. small, good handling and cheap. A good alround car.
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The Escort handles a bit too well to be a drift car.
The Gaz is a good choice. It's cheap and handles OK.
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Carlingford, Sydney
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 00:04
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get some custom springs for it
like 600lb front 400lb rear
lsd or welded diff
a good seat that u dont get flung out of 
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Melbourne
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Melbourne, Australia
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July 2002
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Carlingford, Sydney
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 00:48
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thanks gt 
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 00:53
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When will people learn that drift has nothing to do with power, and everything to do with driver skill and suspension setup?
If you want a learner drift car, just grab anything that's cheap and RWD. Weld up the diff and make the handling horribly unbalanced by using super-stiff rear springs and swaybar. Then go out and practice (in a controlled environment of course), preferably under the supervision of a professional instructor. Skidpan days are perfect for this sort of thing - it's safe, everything happens at low speed, there's nothing to crash into, and any car can get sideways on concrete lubricated with diesel and water. Hell, I've seen a diesel Troopie doing awesome drift on a skidpan!
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 00:54
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| SR TWINCAM wrote on Wed, 04 August 2004 10:34 |
Hey! It might be a mercedes but its still a SPRINTER...
Just chuck on some takumi stickers, now u can deliver even more Tofu to japan.....
Does someone know how to photoshop the writing on the side?
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http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=34719
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 02:25
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^^^ still the best thread ever.
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 02:44
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sticky worthy 
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Castle Hill NSW
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March 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 08:18
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Go buy an old dinged up commodore for cheap and head for a dirt track, much cheaper than any rwd toyota.
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Wed, 04 August 2004 08:21
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 17:00 |
I reckon get a cheap (<$2000) JDM AE-86 Trueno GT Apex.
They drift really well, and parts are easy to get.
Some people on here dont like them, but dont let thier bias get to you. be independnt, be individual.
actually, i saw this cool paint job on one, once. all white and black - kinda looked like a penguin. guy mustve gone out on a limb deciding to paint it like that, but it looked awesome. totally distinct from any other AE-86 id ever seen.
cheers
ed
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bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Thu, 05 August 2004 03:07
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Slap down $1000 down on a manual VC or VH Commodore with a rebuilt engine that's 99% roadworthy. The ole' 202 won't wind out much past 170km/h, but we don't need horsepower here - it's torque that we're shopping for, and Holden's ancient Iron-6 has that in bucketloads. Ignore the springs: get a cheap(ish) pair of H.A.R.D. rear gas-Shox, and maybe a stiffer rear sway-bar if you need more oversteer. Install a mini-spool diff centre, or get welding if you never plan on road-driving much.
That's it - ready to drift and road-legal for around $1300. The old commodes are only 1250kg dripping wet, and most of 'em aren't hampered by poofy power steering, so you can twirl the wheel as quick as you need!! (get a little-diameter steering wheel b.t.w. - V.Handy)
Oh yeah - there's some hard-hard-hard recapped tyres around - MINT for drift (on the rears of course). Don't confuse them for reMOULDS - they're renowned for the tread melting-off quick-smart!! The Recaps are super-cheap, and I can recommend narrow tyres on wide rims, coz they break away really gently and early, with HEAPS of warning. My old commode had 195x60/R17 recaps on the rear, on a 7" wide rim. most ppl run 215 or 225's on that rim width, and they're alot less progressive.
Happy drifting, no-matter what you end up with
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Thu, 05 August 2004 03:08
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sprinter with a welded diff, and dead rear suspension
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Bega (Far South Coast NSW)
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July 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Sat, 14 August 2004 07:26
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I hear a few people talking about welded diffs & all this other stuff. I want the car to still be legal and easy to drive, since it will still be a daily driver aswell. So how far can I got & still have it pass rego each year ?
After a bit of reading & other stuff I am definately thinking about getting a Gazelle.
Is it just about getting low springs & a stiff swaybar or is it more technical than that when it comes to suspension?
I'm a great driver (my father was a driving examiner with the RTA for 12 years) plus I used to got to the skidpan each weekend to teach myself how to control skids & in RWD & FWD cars. But when it comes to the mechanical side of car I know bugger all.
Dan
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Sat, 14 August 2004 08:09
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Get a utility of some sort. So easy to slide around and more importantly easy to catch from ridiculas angles
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Adelaide
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January 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Sat, 14 August 2004 08:51
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if u dont have money, dont get into drift. simple.
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Newcastle
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September 2002
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Sat, 14 August 2004 13:14
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My drift car is a Gazelle  .
you can put s13 coilovers in the front if you also fit s13 front hubs.
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Bega (Far South Coast NSW)
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July 2004
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Sun, 15 August 2004 11:44
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Ok, I have just under $2000 to spend on a car to start with, then I'll put extra $ into it each week.
Anyone got a potential candidate ?
Must have NSW rego, be manual & be drivable.
Dan
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Melbourne
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August 2003
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Re: Learner Drift car, What RWD yous recomend ?
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Sun, 15 August 2004 11:56
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#E7# Corolla.
4A-GE later.
Quite similar to AE86 in many respects.
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