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 V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...IT RUNS!! VID INSIDE!
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Ok so got all my parts sussed out now,
get all the rods, crank etc back tommorowo...30 tho had to be taken off the top of the pistons for clearance reasons, and to reduce the compression ratio a bit from a frightening 12:1 
Provided i get my parts tommorow, motor will be assembled by this weekend. am getting stuck into it tommorow nite and thursday also.
All car work is pretty much done, oil cooler fitted, chev 4 core radiator fitted with thermos, engine mounts and all crap like that is done.
Just require now a strut brace and a few little brackets which cant be made till the engine is fitted.
r154 needs the new washer and then can be fitted. Thanks wilbo for the mz10 xmember!!
As a few of you know i had a heap of parts stolen a while ago, still no word on it...looks like a court job now. That 5k will help go towards the new paint job,diff, suspension and brake upgrade
Future mods after 1000km :
G series MA70 LSD ass end - trying to source a 3.7:1
R33/BA/MX83 brake upgrade
Complete suspension upgrade.
I will get some pics asap. thursday nite watch this space.
For those that dont know, its a hi po 302 windsor.
[Updated on: Thu, 07 April 2005 09:12]
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i gotta hand it to you, she'll be different, and a weapon to boot...i'd love to see this in action
this has probably been covered, but do you expect handling to be compromised? or is the weight difference between your "warm" 302 and the boat anchor 5m-e negligible?
on a separate note, do you frequent(or at least make cameo's) on the ford forums?
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Tue, 10 August 2004 11:11
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i might just pay a visit when she's in 
actually, it'd be pretty interesting to see how much your beast would flog my slushbox auto 
she should handle quite well by the sounds of it, probably alot better than stock(they dont get the nickname boatpra for nothing  )
i know a friend of mine seems pretty impressed with your project(he frequents the ford forums quite alot i think...he owns a pretty clean green ZH marquis that repeatedly shits itself, most recently he's fried his piston rings on the last cruise he went on )
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Tue, 10 August 2004 11:15
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yeah, my hp goal should make it pretty competitive to other suped supras
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Tue, 10 August 2004 11:40
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 10 August 2004 21:15 |
yeah, my hp goal should make it pretty competitive to other suped supras
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haha thats putting it mildly 
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V8_MA61, now don't take offense to this as it's only a question of curiosity, but what made you go the widsor 302 over the 1UZ?
Cost, parts, ford man, something different?
Neil.
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| 3t-RA40 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2004 08:57 |
V8_MA61, now don't take offense to this as it's only a question of curiosity, but what made you go the widsor 302 over the 1UZ?
Cost, parts, ford man, something different?
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Im pretty sure it would cost a shiteload less to get the 400 NA HP hes after from the windsor than a 1UZ. 1 Cam is alot cheaper than 4 hehe
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Wed, 11 August 2004 01:51
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Actually I'd disagree with that... getting 400hp out of a 1UZ involves head work only, while the 302 is getting a shiteload of custom parts (rods, pistons etc) on top of head work. I think the answer to the question is "because he can".
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Wed, 11 August 2004 04:47
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Ok then if thats all you need to do to a 1UZ to get 400hp im clearly wrong. 
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Wed, 11 August 2004 05:53
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I wonder why everyone with a 1uz doesn't have 400hp if it is that easy? 190ish kw stock to 300kw is a big jump for just head work!
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Wed, 11 August 2004 07:26
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| Chris Davey wrote on Wed, 11 August 2004 15:53 |
I wonder why everyone with a 1uz doesn't have 400hp if it is that easy? 190ish kw stock to 300kw is a big jump for just head work!
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I didn't say it would be cheap OR easy, but for any modern multi-valve engine like the 1UZ, 100hp/litre is well and truly possible. Usually the mods to the engine itself are limited to headwork (mostly cams), although of course aftermarket engine management would be necessary as well. This is all far from cheap, but I'm quite sure it would be cheaper than what Blake's doing.
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Wed, 11 August 2004 08:00
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yup - stock windsors dont have alloy heads!
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...
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Thu, 12 August 2004 10:51
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Woot! all the parts came today..will have to get someone to host pics for me!!
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Thu, 12 August 2004 13:24
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I like what he's doing here - while a 302 isn't my choice of engine at all, I still like what you're doing. Keep us informed how it goes.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 06:58
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 12 August 2004 20:51 |
Woot! all the parts came today..will have to get someone to host pics for me!!
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Almost like you need a site that is for people who put V8s in Supras. Wonder who would have such a site?
... check my sig I'll host 'em for ya.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:00
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who is this n00b, suprapete?
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:15
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I dunno, but his car looks familiar.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:36
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keep us updated with all sorts of goodies blake, and pics of the car too would be cool 
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 18:38 |
Pete - might do a storyline style pics etc for the site when im done???
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Try and get it done earlyer as later you'll forget (like all the stuff I forgot about my conversion).
I've PMed my email.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 12:38
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ok sweet will do!
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Sun, 15 August 2004 23:06
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Are you going to inject it or run a carby? If you run a carby are you going to be able to get it passed by an engineer? I don't think you would get it passed in NSW, but I don't know the rules in QLD.
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Mon, 16 August 2004 08:18
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carby to begin with, efi to come when i can afford it
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Mon, 16 August 2004 08:43
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| 3t-RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 August 2004 09:06 |
Are you going to inject it or run a carby? If you run a carby are you going to be able to get it passed by an engineer? I don't think you would get it passed in NSW, but I don't know the rules in QLD.
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shhhhh..... 
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Mon, 16 August 2004 11:15
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pete, mate will send the pics next week sometime when the engine is assembled..too much shit to try and remember whilst in the middle of building it
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 04:29
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the motor is built..looks rather MO in the bright green paint 
Except for my olc computer is rooted, so my digi pics are like 900kb each 
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:36
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What is the 302 out of and what year is it?
If its older than your car your going to have a hell of a time getting an engineers cert as the engine needs to pass a pollution test and needs to be equivelint or better than the factory output
If your thinking of fitting a Holley then forget about getting it rego'd as there is no way you will pass a smog test unless your planning to run LPG
Lpg would be a better option as its cheap and good for high performance engines.
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 09:02
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thats good. and that point has been raised and covered too many times before. do NOT mention it again.
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 09:22
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blake - email me the pics and i'll downsize 'em then host them (when i get back from Ben's).
i wanta see this green mofo.
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 09:43
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what email address mate? im on a different computer, and havent got any pre-saved
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 10:38
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That still dosn't answer my question
See im new to this forum and this is the first time Iv read of this bizzare conversion
so if there is a thread on your solution to this problem can you give me a link to it
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 11:28
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You won't find a solution by looking, just a big shit fight. The basic answer that was given was that it just was
I'd leave it at that
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 12:05
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WOW  Theres some real KOLO'S in this forum
I know what needs to be done I have been through it myself
I would just like to know how V8_MA61 went about it
I have been a mechanic for 15 years and have had many cars engineered and done lots of engine swaps for myself and others
And im always interested in knowing how others do there swaps
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 12:18
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OH OK then its like one of those X file type things
Nobody Knows how and if its going to happen but all have there fingers crossed that it will
Righteo I follow!
I wont tell if you dont SSHHHHHHHH
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 12:29
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| 85MZ10 wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 22:18 |
OH OK then its like one of those X file type things
Nobody Knows how and if its going to happen but all have there fingers crossed that it will
Righteo I follow!
I wont tell if you dont SSHHHHHHHH
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off topic.. do u really have an 85 mz10?
lol
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 14:33
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PICSORBAN
Cmon, we has been waiting SO LONG Blake
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 14:43
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forget pics of the engine, i wanna see pics of the engineers report when blake gets it ...
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**ed runs away flailing hands in the air**
(honestly, i dont see why its such a 'big deal' to discuss how the fuck youve managed to arrange engineering for this thing. i mean really, youve NEVER offered even the most remote explination as to how you intend to pull this off - unless its dodgy, and you just dont want to advertise it as such. come on, even some new guy strolls in and whats the first thing he's curious to know? according to every dealing and rule we're familiar with we cant understand how this is going to work. some of us really DO want to know whats involved. cough it up big fella....)
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Mon, 23 August 2004 14:53
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dude, youve NEVER talked about it... youve always just dodged it.
sure, its your problem. but I for one am honestly curious as to how in gods name youre managing to pull it off. if its legit, it open MANY possibilities for cool engine installations that most/all of us would have thought incompatible with our understanding of the engineering process. quit being so cagey and spill the beans...
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Mon, 23 August 2004 14:58
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im sure this thread will be open in 4-6 weeks unless some stupid fool starts shit slinging wars. I will let you know then how it ALL went. Im not giving partial information now. I cant remember EVRERYTHING that the engineers and what have you, have told me to date, so its of no use my telling half a story if you can understand where im coming from.
Can someone on my msn come online so i can send u a pic to downsize?
Blakerobson@hotmail.com
namely CRUZIDA or Suprapete. My lone v8 friends lol
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT!
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Mon, 23 August 2004 16:00
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Oh, its GREEN
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Mon, 23 August 2004 16:01
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thats so fucking hot *unzips pants*
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Mon, 23 August 2004 16:03
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itll look MUCH MUCH nicer when its complete with the chrome tappet covers!
Peewee thanks mate, will send the others wen done
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Mon, 23 August 2004 16:04
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"I shall name him, mini Kermit"
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Re: V8 MA61 PROGRESS UPDATE...THE GREEN MONSTER IS BUILT! PICS within!
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Tue, 24 August 2004 00:10
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ok so who drilled the 16 useless holes in the valley
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:30
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Nice level of prep on that engine That should have some real balls What heads you running there ? afr ? what are they , any flow figures ?
16holes should be better than a small hole CT26
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&g oto=368624&rid=1935&S=71f5a781ca96c56bc4e4 6d8878790238
I am think one of a 1uz into a cheap mz10 i just picked up for a tow vehicle but after seeing that maybe a 350 etc would be more fun and different , hey is not pure Toyota but power vs cost it would win anytime .
Nice Work , cannot wait to see a few more pics .
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:41
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I am think one of a 1uz into a cheap mz10 i just picked up for a tow vehicle but after seeing that maybe a 350 etc would be more fun and different , hey is not pure Toyota but power vs cost it would win anytime .
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You're joking right?
Planning on getting it rego'd?
1uz would be better bang for buck in the end.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 01:45
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AFR is Air Flow Research AFAIK.
Blake: Is that the standard sump your running?
Windsors look alot better than clevelands, at least the valves arent all asre about. Can you get shaft mounted roller rockers for windsors? Looks like youve got pedestal cause of the pushrod guide plates
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| improvedae86 wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 11:30 |
Nice level of prep on that engine That should have some real balls What heads you running there ? afr ? what are they , any flow figures ?
16holes should be better than a small hole CT26
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&g oto=368624&rid=1935&S=71f5a781ca96c56bc4e4 6d8878790238
I am think one of a 1uz into a cheap mz10 i just picked up for a tow vehicle but after seeing that maybe a 350 etc would be more fun and different , hey is not pure Toyota but power vs cost it would win anytime .
Nice Work , cannot wait to see a few more pics .
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1uz soo much nicer for mz10
u could always 1jz one
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Tue, 24 August 2004 03:44
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I have just seen the photos of that sweet block.
SWEET FUCKIN' JESUS!!
My hat is off to you Blake.... I thought you were just playin' !
MORE!!!!
JB
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Tue, 24 August 2004 04:38
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All you can see in those photos is a bare engine painted green? For all you know it could be a tidied up block he picked up from the wreckers!
(I'm not saying it is, you just seem to be easily impressed)
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 12:38 |
All you can see in those photos is a bare engine painted green? For all you know it could be a tidied up block he picked up from the wreckers!
(I'm not saying it is, you just seem to be easily impressed)
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Yeah but what about those high comp pistons and alloy heads
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Tue, 24 August 2004 04:55
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mmm painted metal.
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Tue, 24 August 2004 04:55
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Alloy heads? Bah! I can't remember the last time I touched a cylinder head that wasn't alloy!
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Tue, 24 August 2004 05:19
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its a modified sump to get it in the car, the belly was too big - had a curve, so we had to get a plate cut and welded in there...will also serve a good purpose for the oil not floating around as much when i take it for track runs
I think you can get shaft mount rockers for them skip..but id have to check on that. Mine are roller rockers..those heads arent compatible with the rail rockers.
Hp flow figures? Dunno really, but i think the engine shop said around 620 or something 
Will get more pics of a hopefully complete motor on thursday.
Improvedae86, mate a 302/ 351 windsor would do perfect..forget the chev shit Ford parts are easier and cheaper also.
gotta dummy up my spare block with the r154 in the next coupla days so that is fitted, ready to go.
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