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Thu, 12 August 2004 02:30
 
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I'll push my barrel since I work for them...
Unless you've pushed a 4WD in the wet very hard, you won't appreciate what it does for you. I was a skeptic when I've driven Outbacks and the last Liberty for a few hours or so but it's bloody fantastic. 45/55 ratio (the 5 speed should be out already) pushes the rear end out a bit but not to the fully sik style drifter style.
I'll put my vote on the 3.0R spec B version with Bilstein bits, 6 speed STi box and bags of torque. All fits under 5 criterias there and it's cheaper than the GT even though it's just as plush inside. 5 star crash rating so it's safe.
The GT doesn't get Billys and I think the 3.0R spec B gets a better front end look. Only down side I think are those 18" wheels ($$$ for rubber) and maybe service cost. I'm not 100% on service cost coz I don't pay for my car but last time I checked, a 100,000km service on the first Outback cost just over 1k *OUCH!*
IS200.. forget it. Great car, engine is a big let down for the price you pay. Factor into the price a supercharger kit to get anywhere near the GT/3.0R-B. As you said, looks great, handles beautifully and it's a Toyota! If only Lexus sells the IS300 for under 55k. 
Accord is good for the money you pay for it. Can't really fault that either.
I'd say it's a race between the Accord and Liberty (in whatever variant you want).
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Thu, 12 August 2004 02:39
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I pick the Liberty because
A) we don't get the Lexus Atezza
B) it is substantially quicker than the Accord Euro
C) despite 4wd, I think it will handle even better thna the Euro too. Whatever you think of Subaru, they usually get their 4wd ride/handling combo spot on.
The manual Liberty GT has more power than the auto's 180kw. I read somewhere that it is not such a big deal that the manual GT missed out on the Bilsteins, as they make the suspension very stiff, and Subaru Oz decied that they would not cope well with our crap roads. Having said that, why did they specify them for the 3.0B - maybe just for marketing purposes?
Incidentally, the Euro is available as a 4wd in Japan and there are rumours of a 4wd or Fwd turbo model, and they already have a Type R model as well with 160 odd kw. If we had one of these variants here I muighht be tempted to vote Honda. But Honda Oz apparently is becoming boring like Toyota Oz and wants to concentrate on Odysseys and tank 4wd's and is getting rid of the Integtra Type R etc. So I doubt we will get a performance Accord here.
I doubt the the Lexus is "substantially" better built than the other too. Honda and Subaru quality is defintely not shabby, and in any case, the IS200 is not built on the same production facility as the more expensive Lexus as it is sold as a Toyota in Japan in some volume. Not saying that it is built crap, but it wont be in the same class as a LS400 etc.
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Incidentally, the Euro is available as a 4wd in Japan and there are rumours of a 4wd or Fwd turbo model, and they already have a Type R model as well with 160 odd kw. If we had one of these variants here I muighht be tempted to vote Honda. But Honda Oz apparently is becoming boring like Toyota Oz and wants to concentrate on Odysseys and tank 4wd's and is getting rid of the Integtra Type R etc. So I doubt we will get a performance Accord here.
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Just one point before bagging any car company over their choice of cars they bring here is that the goals of say Toyota Japan may not be the same as the goals of Toyota Australia. Ditto FHI/Subaru Aust (I know this is fact) and Honda JP/Honda AU. Honda has already killed off the Euro R earlier this year as a no go as well as both the Type R.
Yes it sucks that other countries get a car (I've personally been a voice for the STi Forester) but if it doesn't suit the business plans, then it's no point bringing in a car that doesn't achieve its goals.
No back to the original post!!!
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Thu, 12 August 2004 03:14
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Id go IS200, Biased opinion of course! When I bought mine, I hated the performance, but around the mountains, the car is awesome, and fun to drive! The sound system is really good too. If you get sick of the performance, just do what Im doing 
I havent driven the Liberty, I must admit, it looks awesome, and obviously wins hands down in performance, but I have never been a fan of Suabru.
The Honda is nice, very nice interior, good price for what you get, but being a FWD'er looses points. And it doesnt feel as good as the IS200 in terms of handling.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 03:40
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I'd go the Liberty GT manual when it comes out 190kw due to come out at the end of this year. has peak torque of 2400prm and 7500rpm redline. Very tractable engine great looks, bit of a sleeper.
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Just one point before bagging any car company over their choice of cars they bring here
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This is slightly off topic, but I can bag any car company I like - that is what forums are for - free speech
So you are saying that if Honda Oz and Subaru gets taken over by cardigan wearers (too late for Toyota - happened a few years ago) and stops importing anything remotely interesting for someone who is not a soccermum, then it is all OK with you? They may have different "goals" to the parent company in Japan but they may well be misguided goals.
If your employer Subaru Oz decided to only bring in automatic Liberty Heritages with 1.8 litre engines becasue they thought (incredulously) that was the right thing to do, that we should all shut up????
Think about Nissan Australia - only 100 R32 GTR's sold - not look at the thousands of grey market import Skylines and 180ZX's around. Then look at all the Lexus coupes. They are everywhere.
If the grey market import rules had not been constructed in a certain way (no imports that have the same body shape as ones already sold here), we would have seen tons of 1st generation twin turbo Legacies and pre V6 STI WRX's brought in, amongst other stuff.
If Mitsubishi Oz had not been so stupid they could have continued to sell a Lancer GSR type model (not necessarily a pricey EVO) to have a much needed image car in ther range. After all the WRX was selling heaps with no competition apart from a few 200SX's.
My point is that there is obviously a MARKET for more performance orientated product, but that these cardigan wearers either are too stupid to foresee it or just don't care to cater for it.
I personally am not that much interested in a Forester STI (the fact that a MANUAL GT is now about to be sold here is good enough for me, and this is the car I would want to get when I can afford it) but I think it would have been great to have them sold here anyway. After all if the Yanks get them so should we. 
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Thu, 12 August 2004 04:26
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Id go IS200, Biased opinion of course! When I bought mine, I hated the performance, but around the mountains, the car is awesome, and fun to drive! The sound system is really good too. If you get sick of the performance, just do what Im doing
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I have no doubts that on a twisty mountain road, the IS200 would leave the other two in its dust. Lack of power or no, I've never driven a car that handled so well!
And if I did buy the IS200, then it'd get turboed eventually. Fo' shizzle.
I was not aware that the GT had a 45/55 split. Although I'd prefer something like 30/70 so that it could be balanced on the throttle.
I think I'll have to take both GT and 3.0R-B for a drive to see how different they are.
I have to do some more research on the Honda too. It seems that most people dismiss it, but I remember reading reviews raving on about how good the handling was.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 04:58
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hahaha Yeah, that'd be one of them!!
Forget my dreams of ever owning an F355.... 
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:10
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Drove a mates brand-spankin Accord Euro two weeks ago. The engine was an utterly gutless disappointment, however it did rev seamlessly to 7,000rpm. I didn't get to tear chunks out of the tyres (it only had 170km on the odo fer chrissakes!), but it was very smooth, composed and quiet, yet firm.
Interior was luxuriously appointed, with dead-cow everywhere, heated front seats, power everything and more storage bins than I'd know what to do with!!
Having said all that - I'd rather slit my own wrists than buy an Accord. Weedy motor + FWD = shitbox
Of this lineup I'd leap feet-first into the Liberty, without even thinking about it. Turbo Motor, reputedly nice manual, Subaru-sorted handling - where is the downside?
I know its interior appointments are appaling compared to the above cars, but give a VY runout SV8 a test-drive, while keeping in mind that the Manual DOES free-up after 15,000km or so.
It puts out an honest 245kw, for a shade over $40,000 - perhaps less when VZ lands in town. If you're desperate to spend $50k, a quick trip th the CAPA website will allow you to select your supercharger kit!! The 360kw+ kit looks good value at $8,700....
If you need leather, shell out for a runout VY SS with "the works" interior package.
-They're actually very good on build quality, because they're the last of the VY's and any problems were sorted out yonks ago. Same SHOULD apply for BA's too, but I don't have anything to do with them, so I can't say.
C'mon - the RWD handling's a hoot with N/A torque, Imagine force-fed throttle-steer, and 360kw of go-go-GO!!!
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:18
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Sorry, but I'm not going to drive a taxi cab that's going to break down constantly on me.
I can even get up to $6k off RRP on Fords (I'm a Telstra employee now) but seriously, there's no way I'm going to own one of those shitboxes (my personal opinion of Falcadores, so keep the flames away).
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:33
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go the IS man, join our club and be happy hahaha! There is the TTE Supercharger Kit (Someone in the club has) 1JZGTE (two of us have) 2JZGTE (1 has) and AVO Turbo kit (1 did have, till he upgraded to 1J) options to choose from!!
Best thing about the IS200, is the awesome fuel economy, I get 650k/tank everytime! Driving to QLD, got me 900km 
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:49
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No probs Nark - just my 2-cents.
Power-Steering hoses aside, VYII is quite good on build quality - seriously!!
I DARE you to test-drive a VY-II SV8/SS! Got a mate with one?
Commodes get most of their bad reputation from the first six-months of major model revisions, although now even the pilot-build cars (pre-release) are getting screwed together very well. Ford seems to rush its quality programs to try and catch-up with Holden's release of new models, and the problems only bite harder the more a release is rushed........
I've gotta agree with your wanting to force air down the IS200's throat - all that balance, grip and poise with a pissy 2-litre to throttle-steer with. What a joke!!
Perhaps a low-km 2nd hand 325i or 330i Bee-Em-Dubya? that'd be $40k->$60k.
The Magna is an understeering pig-dog, so it's out..
There's a heap of 2nd hand Audis to be had at $40-60k
Ummm..... yep. Nup. All I've got bro. I s'pose an RX-8 doesn't count? It does sorta have 4 doors........
yeah - Liberty wins hands-down, unless you're happy to cough-up and force-feed the IS200 with LOTS and LOTS of compressed air
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:53
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If you think about it, where are you going to drive a car fast these days? Look in offtopic, there is a thread, with people spotting cop cars with P plates etc! if Lexus Australia, just bloody accepted the awesome 3GE beams, it be the perfect car!
The IS200 does everything you want, except get to 100 quick. I mean, I still beat Swift GTis and V6 Commys hehehe.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 05:59
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Liberty GT for its looks the Accords front end looks too much like a Mazda, IS200 would be nice too but I think Suburu's liberty would be better for a family car. I have been told that the Accord is pretty guttless. but have never driven a new Accord Euro so can't really say but I will say that it would wan't to be good in the performance catergory if it is more sportier then a V6 Camry with a 5 spd manual.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 06:29
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I said IS200...coz they handle like a dream. Too bad for the stock engine tho, but you can do a 1JZ or 2JZ conversion and she'll be a beast that handles like a dream
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Thu, 12 August 2004 06:44
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ill go the liberty GT.
1stly coz there is no greater feeling then draggin some doof doof dickhead in a commo off at the lights.
2ndly coz they can still just be a cruizer.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 06:55
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Left field idea.... (I hate pushing my barrel)...
Forester XT. Performance (straight line.. you'll be surprised how many doors this can blow), cornering quite good for something that's jacked up 200mm but 50/50 split so it'll understeer and STi springs available to take it down to a reasonable height, offroad ability (I took mine on the beach at Stockton beach without problems.. gotta love power sliding across sand) and 5 star safety rating.
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Thu, 12 August 2004 07:07
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Some of you guys misunderstand. I'm not selling my Celica.
The Celica will be the fun car that will be taken out for the 2am thrash. And for humiliating the knuckle-draggers and riceboys.
The new car will be for driving around, not dragging people at the lights.
Reliability, comfort, balance and mid-ranged torque are more important than outright power.
This car doesn't need to be able to blow anything off at the lights, but it needs to be able to overtake swiftly and safely. As well as being fun to drive (or at least entertaining).
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Thu, 12 August 2004 07:24
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Some of you guys misunderstand. I'm not selling my Celica.
The Celica will be the fun car that will be taken out for the 2am thrash. And for humiliating the knuckle-draggers and riceboys.
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Oh!! well that for Me, brings the IS200 right back into the fight against the Liberty. I still say forget the Accord, because when you've tasted RWD or even AWD niceness, gutless FWD just sucks. Not having a dig at your current Sillycar, but if you're choosing a new car...
Maybe get the IS200, and when you tire of it's undercooked capacity, sell the Celica to pay for the Super-Mega-Blower/Turbo installation.
Or same Re: Liberty GT, and an APS power-up kit..
all good
I still say 360+kw of supercharged GenIII is Ace, BTW
Did I mention, there's P.O.A kits for 520kw and 620kw?
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Thu, 12 August 2004 07:46
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st184sillycar-
the ra60 is rwd, oh yeah
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Thu, 12 August 2004 08:40
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Link doesn't work. 
Is it less than 4 years old? (Salary packaging)
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Thu, 12 August 2004 08:45
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That looks PHat 
Get it!!!
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Thu, 12 August 2004 13:54
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go the IS man, join our club and be happy hahaha! There is the TTE Supercharger Kit (Someone in the club has) 1JZGTE (two of us have) 2JZGTE (1 has) and AVO Turbo kit (1 did have, till he upgraded to 1J) options to choose from!!
Best thing about the IS200, is the awesome fuel economy, I get 650k/tank everytime! Driving to QLD, got me 900km
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and you forgot to mention in the works in the not too distant future on a beams
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Fri, 13 August 2004 03:39
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What about a forrester XS luxury?
If not i would go the Liberty.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 03:59
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wait for the 4wd turbo accord...ohhhyeh..but in the meantime go the subi
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Fri, 13 August 2004 05:41
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looks like it will boil down to liberty or the is.
you also need to consider after sales service.. lexus wins hands down.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:17
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Got a response from AVO...
$8500 drive in drive out for the turbo kit and install.
Comes with a 320hp Garrett BB turbo, bov, fmic, etc...
It's all ADR'ed but still needs to get an engineers certificate.
http://210.15.220.239/html/avokits/avokits.html
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:31
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there shouldnt be any probs with that avo kit (keeping the rest all fine and dandy).. only thing regarding the cert that is most important is the emissions test, but thats free anyway.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 11:24
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GT liberty all the way. As much as I am a toyota guy i love my Liberty/Legacy's!
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Fri, 13 August 2004 12:41
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my parents almost bought an audi but they decided they looked shit. That grill plus those wheels sure it's got the euro style but DAMM !!!!!
U can get a nice BMW for that price but it depends how old r ur kids? R they gunna be spilling shit everywhere ? cuz if they are then don't get the leather trim.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:09
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Mookie. all i can say is its a shame they let that get in the way of a very very good car. Equivalent BMW's cost alot more and i believe the fit and finish of an audi is way above BMW and the audi is much more user friendly.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 13:40
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From what I've heard, Audis are understeering sacks of $#%^.
I don't like understeer.
Oh, and one of my criteria was that it had to be a manual. It's not about being quick. It's about being fun to drive.
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Fri, 13 August 2004 22:21
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Subaru, handle like a dream go good and they are a bit of a sleeping with the low lying bonnet vent and no badging.
and subaru never have problems, only time it will ever go to the workshop is to get its normal service done.
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Sat, 14 August 2004 01:09
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It would be a close decision between the Liberty and the IS200... I think I would choose the B spec, personally - but this is said without having driven either
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Sat, 14 August 2004 01:26
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My vote was for the Liberty... As soon as it came out I was like yeah... How much is the B4 worth???
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Sat, 14 August 2004 01:41
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The more I think about it, the more I reckon I'd like the 3.0R-B more than the GT.
Problem would be that I'm addicted to turbos...
It'd use more petrol too and lack the mid-range torque that the turbo would give.
Sure enough, a quick visit to the Subaru site gives these stats:
GT 3.0R-B
Power 190kW@6400 180kW@6600
Torque 330Nm@2400 297Nm@4200
0-100km/h 5.7s 6.9s
Fuel cons. 9.7L/100km 12.4L/100km
Hmm... Maybe I'll stick to the GT... 
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Hey all,
Got to drive a few cars on the weekend. Here are my thoughts.
Liberty GT: Not bad. I didn't hate it (which is always a good thing in non-RWD cars). Nice power. Good suspension. Understeered if you push it past 7/10ths which makes it pretty crap to drive hard. Steering was very vague, especially around the centre.
Liberty 3.0R-B: Much nicer drive! More of a driver's car than the GT. Suspension is firmer and more controlled. Steering wheel was smaller than the GT (and steering felt much better than the GT). Had alloy pedals which were easy to heal-toe. Great instantaneous torque from the N/A 3.0L. Didn't have the top end of the GT though and uses more petrol. If this had the GT engine and was RWD (or at least more torque split to the rear), this would be a fantastic car to own. As it is, I couldn't push it more than 8/10ths without understeer rearing its ugly head and making me nearly puke in disgust.
Accord Euro: A very competent car. If I was to buy a car based on my brain only, I'd pick this one. For the price, the features list is amazing! Materials weren't as good as the Liberty, but had stuff like heated front seats and separate climate control for either side of the car. Good value for money, drove well. But didn't stir any emotion in me. The torque steer was a huge put off too. Yuck.
So, to sum it all up. The woman likes the GT 'coz she'll never push it so hard that she'll meet Mr. Understeer (or at least his big brother). It's comfy and has plenty of power.
As for me. The IS200 still rules my brain. Down a mountain, the IS200 would 0wn the Liberty. It's got loads of grip, steering is phenomenal, has great poise and balance, and you'd have to be pretty insane to get it to understeer.
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Mon, 30 August 2004 15:28
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Just remember where you're coming from dude. Sure to a point they are going to understeer, but you're only going to exacerbate the problem by not driving accordingly. Look at what you're coming from.
If it were me, I'd be getting the Liberty and learning how to make the most of it.
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Mon, 30 August 2004 19:42
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NARK!!!
Have you checked Motor's latest edition: Bang For Your Buck 2004??
They spanked the GT auto (only one available at the time) SILLY on the track and found it OVERsteered at 10/10ths!!
Maybe you just aint goiong quick enough..........
(That was under power, b.t.w. -- not JUST trail-braking/lift-off)
That said, IS200 + TRD Supercharger = PHUNTASTIC!! + Broken_Bank
Hmm... . . . interesting equation
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Mon, 30 August 2004 23:34
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Yes, I would take a RWD line for the corners, but I wasn't really testing it on tight corners, I was testing it on the sweepers.
Gradually adding power through the corner and sure enough it will start understeering just after the apex.
As for the Motor comparo, read Rick Bates's notes. He said it understeered, but had unexpected tailiness at high speed. I think the word there is "unexpected", you don't think a 4WD would do that, so it catches you out.
It's pretty balanced for a 4WD (which is probably where that high speed tail wagging comes from), but compare it to a nice RWD, it's nowhere near as adjustable when you're halfway through a corner. You can choose understeer, understeer, or understeer. Unless you want to do a big liftoff. I can't left foot brake, so that leaves that out of the equation (and it's not something that I want to learn on the streets).
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Tue, 31 August 2004 00:11
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Going back a few posts...
I was in Narks position about this time last year and looking at several options all of which really didn't suit me personally. After researching and test driving several vehicles I finally decided on a VY-II SS Ute with Enhancements over the second and 3rd placed IS200 (second hand) and Magna AWD.
All in all 12 months down the track I wish I'd taken the IS200 (or RS200 as it would have been) as the Ute is being very tempremental and is in at Holden every other week.
I was in the same position as Nark wanting a daily driver as there is the weekend toy in the garage. but wanted a work vehicle to tow/carry stuff in the back whilst working on the house. Problem now is in 12 months time I'll have no (work) use for the ute except for the occasional boat/car float towing exercise.
The reason for the choice was basically I ended up with a $60,000 vehicle over a $30 somthing vehicle with no resale value.
The IS200 would have been kept after the lease expired for future project.
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Tue, 31 August 2004 01:56
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My oppinnion is take the IS200 and either do the turbo kit or a conversion to 1jz or 1uz
i havent driven any of these.. but ive spoken to heaps of people who have and everyone sais the altezza is jesus in the handling department, all subaru's understeer too much..... and the honda is FWD..............
you say the IS200 would be taken hands down if it had a better engine, yes?. buy it and do the turbo kit... you wont regret it
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:00
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Oh, believe me. If it was my decision, I'd be getting the IS200 and turboing it. There's not even a choice in it any more (now that I've driven the others).
But this car is for the woman. I'm trying my hardest to convince her, but it's hard when she cares about looks more than handling... And the GT looks better.
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:06
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IS200 with a 2jz
What a sleeper.
Personally i think the 2ltr v6 runds out of tuff from the cars weight. Safety first, right?
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:08
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| bubbles wrote on Tue, 31 August 2004 12:06 |
IS200 with a 2jz
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You mean an IS300?
Drove one. Wasn't impressed. IS200 was much better in terms of handling.
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:32
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Get an IS200 and put a 3UZFE in it Lighter than a 1G, shorter and ze uber handling will remain or get better
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:41
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IS300, oh yes, the bigger engine.
is that the 3 ltr?
It sound to me your shoping for a family car.
For the money I would go for the Accord Euro.
For the performance, Liberty GT
Sorry but you can't get performance and luxury in the same sentence, 1 thing usually sacrifices the other.
The IS200 is a good looking car but so is a 95 model Supra 2jz
2jz IS200 Damm, stupid Uni, i wish i was working
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 02:45
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 31 August 2004 12:32 |
Get an IS200 and put a 3UZFE in it Lighter than a 1G, shorter and ze uber handling will remain or get better
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Yeah, that'd be great, but too much of a headache for me. I've already got a car with an engine conversion. Two would be pushing the marriage...
| bubbles wrote on Tue, 31 August 2004 12:41 |
IS300, oh yes, the bigger engine.
is that the 3 ltr?
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Yup. 2JZ-GE.
| bubbles wrote on Tue, 31 August 2004 12:41 |
Sorry but you can't get performance and luxury in the same sentence, 1 thing usually sacrifices the other.
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No, they can go together. It's just the third factor that limits things. Price.
As for the JZA80, the car's gotta be less than 4 years old in order to lease it.
[Updated on: Tue, 31 August 2004 02:53]
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 03:38
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Umm, what Subaru quality issues dude?
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Re: IS200 vs Liberty GT vs Accord Euro
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Tue, 31 August 2004 03:54
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WTF are you on about dude?
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