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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Thu, 12 August 2004 12:39
 
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 congrats kristian
Can't wait to have a crack at tah time....... 
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Thu, 12 August 2004 13:05
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what tyres did you use? no other mods??? was this a manual or an auto? bloody good time though!!!
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Can't wait to have a crack at tah time.......
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and me too!!! 
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 00:30
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Auto, no other mods except boost and two stainless mufflers i had put on 2 weeks ago.
tyres are 265 50 R17. Just shitty street tyres I picked up at the tyre shop for $20 each that are nearly worn out, they dont even match, they are two different brands.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 02:58
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Kristian,
Will have to get a quater mile time for the ute looking at that time on the soarer, that little "run" we were talking about might have been very interesting.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:28
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good results all-round there. it will be a beast with the dumps+exhaust done
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:30
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Hmmmm.... Very Impressive for basically standard.
Mr hyroshio MUST have had a good one that morning...
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:34
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hahahahhahaha
must have got a bit before he went to work maybe
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 07:36
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Thanks TUB-11Y. cant wait to go back and have another go after my dumps , exhaust , FMIC ect ....
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 09:04
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Kristian what is special about this Soarer ?
as it is about 25-30% up on hp it should make on toymods dyno....
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Fri, 13 August 2004 16:34
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No one knows. It's just one of those freaky cars that make a shit load of power. We even pulled the ECU apart and checked for chips ect. No piggyback, no chips, no engine work, no aftermarket front mount, stock exhaust, stock turbos, stock ECU, stock everything. Welcome to any inspection. Even dyno'd it twice this week, over two seperate days on dyno dynamics, shootout mode. Its just a very quick car. Cant wait to bring it to a toymods dyno day when all the mods are done, aiming for 250rwkw on stock turbos......
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 08:15
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 16:25 |
mmmm sounds like a plan.
I also Just had my Soarer on the dyno today, 204kw at the rear wheels with 17psi. no mods done yet, cant wait till my front mount and intake and dumps and exhaust are done !!!
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I hate to inform you... if its done in shootout mode it will have been done in 3rd gear and no-one on this board will consider that legit power(beleive me, ive argued it).
My car was done at 11 psi on shootout mode and made 200rwkw.
At 17 psi on stock exhaust and intercooler and such you are stressing the turbo's WAY too far.. they will be working their little hearts out and dont be surprised if they drop off into the cat very soon.
Most say the safe limit for turbo's(with all free flowing induction and exhaust) is around 14 psi
Its a good time, but if I were you id look at doing it properly rather than just upping the boost and pissing the turbo's off...
As special_ed said, your power is way up on what it would be making on toymods dyno... on the toymods dyno, done in 4th gear like everyone elses it would read maybe 160rwkw.
My car is more modded with a hiperboost controller running 14 psi now(rather than the 11 when the dyno was done) and weighs around 1250 kilo's... so it will be interesting to see the 1/4 time I get out of it.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 10:32
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 18:15 |
| SUPRA MAN wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 16:25 |
mmmm sounds like a plan.
I also Just had my Soarer on the dyno today, 204kw at the rear wheels with 17psi. no mods done yet, cant wait till my front mount and intake and dumps and exhaust are done !!!
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I hate to inform you... if its done in shootout mode it will have been done in 3rd gear and no-one on this board will consider that legit power(beleive me, ive argued it).
My car was done at 11 psi on shootout mode and made 200rwkw.
At 17 psi on stock exhaust and intercooler and such you are stressing the turbo's WAY too far.. they will be working their little hearts out and dont be surprised if they drop off into the cat very soon.
Most say the safe limit for turbo's(with all free flowing induction and exhaust) is around 14 psi
Its a good time, but if I were you id look at doing it properly rather than just upping the boost and pissing the turbo's off...
As special_ed said, your power is way up on what it would be making on toymods dyno... on the toymods dyno, done in 4th gear like everyone elses it would read maybe 160rwkw.
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Would you like me to book a time on "the toymods dyno" this week and take my car there and have it dyno'd ??
I'll happily do that to settle this, as I know the car has proved itself already.
I know what the turbos should be run at, and I'd say that its my desision to run them at 17psi.
Just because someone gets a good result, you dont have to be negative and try and disproove it.
I'd say my track times PROOVE the power that is coming out of my car. 1600kg of car, plus 30L of fuel plus me = 1700kg.
Taking a 1700kg dead weight 1992 JZZ30 Soarer down the quater mile from a standing start with wheelspin in 13.5 seconds and with a 107 mile per hour (172km/h) trap speed is more than enough proof of the power. You cant argue with a WSID Timeslip............
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 13:19
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 20:32 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 18:15 |
| SUPRA MAN wrote on Fri, 13 August 2004 16:25 |
mmmm sounds like a plan.
I also Just had my Soarer on the dyno today, 204kw at the rear wheels with 17psi. no mods done yet, cant wait till my front mount and intake and dumps and exhaust are done !!!
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I hate to inform you... if its done in shootout mode it will have been done in 3rd gear and no-one on this board will consider that legit power(beleive me, ive argued it).
My car was done at 11 psi on shootout mode and made 200rwkw.
At 17 psi on stock exhaust and intercooler and such you are stressing the turbo's WAY too far.. they will be working their little hearts out and dont be surprised if they drop off into the cat very soon.
Most say the safe limit for turbo's(with all free flowing induction and exhaust) is around 14 psi
Its a good time, but if I were you id look at doing it properly rather than just upping the boost and pissing the turbo's off...
As special_ed said, your power is way up on what it would be making on toymods dyno... on the toymods dyno, done in 4th gear like everyone elses it would read maybe 160rwkw.
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Would you like me to book a time on "the toymods dyno" this week and take my car there and have it dyno'd ??
I'll happily do that to settle this, as I know the car has proved itself already.
I know what the turbos should be run at, and I'd say that its my desision to run them at 17psi.
Just because someone gets a good result, you dont have to be negative and try and disproove it.
I'd say my track times PROOVE the power that is coming out of my car. 1600kg of car, plus 30L of fuel plus me = 1700kg.
Taking a 1700kg dead weight 1992 JZZ30 Soarer down the quater mile from a standing start with wheelspin in 13.5 seconds and with a 107 mile per hour (172km/h) trap speed is more than enough proof of the power. You cant argue with a WSID Timeslip............
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Haha stop getting so huffy, I wasnt trying to disprove you, just bring into light that shootout mode does read alot higher, i quote my power rating same as you(200rwkw in shootout mode).. I just stated that no-one would consider it legitimate as I had a few thread arguments over my dyno being done in 3rd gear in shootout mode.. and even though ive proved it to be done the right way, everyone was still skeptical.
theoretically according to everyone on the toymods dyno it should be around 160rwkw, I've never been on the toymods dyno but was just stating a fact.
Your timeslip is good, theres no doubt about that.. My point was merely saying that stressing the turbo's the way you are(yes, its your choice... but a stupid one) on such a high boost level without free flowing exhaust will kill them very quickly.. as i stated, most people dont go over 14-15 psi cause the ceramic wheels are fragile and tend to break off when taken over that..
Doing 17 psi without any de-restriction is murder...
I'm not bagging you nor am i criticising your timeslip/power rating.. just giving some friendly advice. Most people wouldnt be crazy enough to double stock boost without doing this anyway, have you seen how big soarers stock exhaust pipes are?
-Johal
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 17:28
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 23:19 |
Haha stop getting so huffy, I wasnt trying to disprove you, just bring into light that shootout mode does read alot higher, i quote my power rating same as you(200rwkw in shootout mode).. I just stated that no-one would consider it legitimate as I had a few thread arguments over my dyno being done in 3rd gear in shootout mode.. and even though ive proved it to be done the right way, everyone was still skeptical.
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Sorry buddy, you are wrong. My run was done in 2nd gear and it even says so on my Dyno printout. There goes your whole 3rd gear theory 
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theoretically according to everyone on the toymods dyno it should be around 160rwkw, I've never been on the toymods dyno but was just stating a fact.
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You cant assume that all cars have the same output. Some are higher, some are lower. You are not stating a fact, just stating what OTHER people's cars ran on the "toymods dyno"
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Your timeslip is good, theres no doubt about that.. My point was merely saying that stressing the turbo's the way you are(yes, its your choice... but a stupid one) on such a high boost level
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I OWN Japanese Import Parts.... have you considered that I have multiple turbos available at any one time, and the whole point of this excercise is to see how much power I can get out of the stock turbos.
If I blow them ... SO WHAT.. I just picked up 2 spare sets last week, you may have seen my thread in the wanted section.
| Jag7799 wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 23:19 |
Most people wouldnt be crazy enough to double stock boost without doing this anyway, have you seen how big soarers stock exhaust pipes are?
-Johal
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This isnt about NOT breaking them mate, its about SEEING HOW LONG THEY LAST. I dont care if they break into a thousand pieces. This is a personal test to see if I can get 250rwkw or more out of stock turbos.
I will put this car on ANY dyno I have to to proove my point.
I has already been on a dyno twice this week, and to WSID (the drags). The turbos are still going strong, and I use 17-18psi around town too. This is a stock soarer that puts out 204rwkw.
If people cant believe a good dyno figure, or a good time at the drag strip, then you synical ones just better come out and see the car in action for yourselves. Stop assuming you know about my car when you really have no idea.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:19
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Sorry, I meant 2nd gear for the auto.. but was rushed in posting...
still the same as doing a manual in 3rd gear though..
3rd gear in auto is 1:1... 4th gear in man is 1:1..
Im not bagging you there.. just saying that shootout mode does read higher.
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You cant assume that all cars have the same output. Some are higher, some are lower. You are not stating a fact, just stating what OTHER people's cars ran on the "toymods dyno"
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I dont assume that. BUT in saying that.. cars dont pick up an average of 60rwkw from just upping the boost on an otherwise completely stock engine.but then again, it must be rather annoying to see my car making 4rwkw less than yours with 6 psi less boost.
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I OWN Japanese Import Parts.... have you considered that I have multiple turbos available at any one time, and the whole point of this excercise is to see how much power I can get out of the stock turbos.
If I blow them ... SO WHAT.. I just picked up 2 spare sets last week, you may have seen my thread in the wanted section.
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One would assume, if you own a car company that you would know something about how cars and turbo systems work... if you were ACTUALLY doing said excercise you would realise that just upping the boost on a stock engine is absolutely stupid.. but then again, owning such a "prestigious" company you must REALLY know what your doing, also one would assume if you have many turbo kits.. you should have a few aftermarket exhaust systems?.. or at least the money to pay for a real exhaust. By upping the power and not giving it a free flowing exhaust you are straining its power completely..
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This isnt about NOT breaking them mate, its about SEEING HOW LONG THEY LAST. I dont care if they break into a thousand pieces. This is a personal test to see if I can get 250rwkw or more out of stock turbos.
I will put this car on ANY dyno I have to to proove my point.
I has already been on a dyno twice this week, and to WSID (the drags). The turbos are still going strong, and I use 17-18psi around town too. This is a stock soarer that puts out 204rwkw.
If people cant believe a good dyno figure, or a good time at the drag strip, then you synical ones just better come out and see the car in action for yourselves. Stop assuming you know about my car when you really have no idea.
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If you were really trying to see how they last and trying to really get 250rwkw, you would know that winding the boost up is only going to harm it. but go ahead and waste your money with 3 sets of turbo's that could be used well by someone else who isnt stupid enough to up the boost to 17 psi on stock turbo's, exhaust and cooler.
Come to brisbane and put it on a dyno next to mine.. mine was done in the exact same way with similar ratio's and considering shootout mode should give accurate power figures COMPARED to each other.
Im not saying ur drag time isnt a good one, but I tell you what.. if I was running 13.5 on 17 psi in a jzz30, id be annoyed.
do some REAL modifications instead of doing it stupidly and you will probably get the same time out of 12-13 psi..
Anyway.. heres some eye candy for you
Done at 11 psi
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:34
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Look at your AFR's, there is alot of potential for more power with an ECU. Runs pretty rich then starts to lean out, but it only starts to lean out back to 12.5:1 which is probably where you want it.
As for supraman, she'll be right mate,| SUPRA MAN wrote on Thu, 17 June 2004 20:53 |
... its not a keeper.
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Hell why not do this at the drags next time. Your only going to sell the car in a month anyway.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:34
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jag,
id like to see your car on the strip, considering that ur car is making all most the same power supramans but urs is lighter...
hell id even line up next to you just for fun at QLD raceway, considering my car is only making 170 at the rears..
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:38
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 09:34 |
jag,
id like to see your car on the strip, considering that ur car is making all most the same power supramans but urs is lighter...
hell id even line up next to you just for fun at QLD raceway, considering my car is only making 170 at the rears..
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Ill line you up if you like... when im not scared to launch the car properly(and learn to aswell.)
Car weighs in at just around 1250 kg's.. so you will still win.. being ur car should be under 1000 kg's..
Would be interesting though..car is away at painters at the moment.. but eventually we will get everyone out to willowbank or something
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:51
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nah mate, i drive a JZA70, its a fat arsed bitch lol.
my RA23 is back home at canberra, i supose i should really change my avatar and name but i couldnt be bothered,
let us know when ur car gets back and we should go down to the drag strip.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sat, 14 August 2004 23:55
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 09:51 |
nah mate, i drive a JZA70, its a fat arsed bitch lol.
my RA23 is back home at canberra, i supose i should really change my avatar and name but i couldnt be bothered,
let us know when ur car gets back and we should go down to the drag strip.
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ohh okay.. well then it might swing my way.. providing i can drive lol..
should be back in a few weeks and try and organise a wed night test and tune or something..
what mods?
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 00:06
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just little things like pod filter and exhaust, its pretty stock really.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 00:08
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As for supraman, she'll be right mate,| SUPRA MAN wrote on Thu, 17 June 2004 20:53 |
... its not a keeper.
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Think before you type next time idiot... and you know that you just changed that post of mine. Why dont you show everyone what I was talking about in that post, BECAUSE YOU KNOW I WASNT TALKING ABOUT THE CAR. It was in relation to the engine, and it wasnt a keeper, as we changed it about a month later.
You are also WRONG about the car, how come the car is still in my garage, andthe rego papers still have my name on them ??
Whats that ? you THOUGHT i sold it. You are wrong.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 00:36
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i cant understand why people pay out on supra man, isnt he a financial sponsor of toymods?? so he gives the toymods community money, helping to keep these toymods forums going...
and no one can say anything positive about the guy, i mean no wonder i dont see his advertisements on the forsale sections anymore...
i havent purchased anything off him before, but all his prices seemed to be reasonable, so whats the go?
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 00:54
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Thats fair, i shall show the post of you killing the bores:
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=37949&rid=1134&S=950d1f401c1886efa744ef9 f1e11c419&pl_view=&start=0
Am i an idiot...No.
I removed the first part of the quote because it wasn't relevant to the soarer and this thread. I did however insert an ellipsis to show that there was in fact more to the quote that wasn't required in this context. So no, i haven't changed your post at all.
I can accept that i am wrong about not selling the car and will take your word.
The quote was meant to be in reference to the engine, and not the car. My quip about the car was left for the end of the post.
HOWEVER, answer me this: were you intending to sell the supra on ebay at the time you took that video of the JZA70...YES.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 01:39
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jag7799
Ok, I've now established that you just dont understand the concept of what I am doing.
I'll say it again slowly for you.
I am trying to see how much I can get out of the stock turbos, both before and after modifications occur. If you cant understand that, then please keep your opinions to your self.
If I want to run my turbos at 17psi, thats my decision.
I dont hassle you for having an 20 year old car, dont hassle me for running 17psi. As I also said, I have spare sets if I need them.
1. YOU HAVE A 600 X 300 X 76 FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER. This mean from stock form, it would gain you about 15rwkw. rough estimation)
2. You DONT have a stock exhaust This means in stock form, it would gain you another 15rwkw or so. (rough estimation)
You also have a 400hp fuel pump.
yours is manual, mine is auto. The auto drains HEAPS of power from the engine compared to the manual. Yet my soarer still gets a good result.
Yes, your car is normal, it is making 200rwkw with those mods.
Without them, you would make roughly 170rwkw, if that.
MINE IS STOCK !!! how about you put a standard cooler, exhaust and fuel pump on your car and try and get 203rwkw ?? Its obvious you would not get it, if 200 is all you could get with 600 x 300 x 75 cooler, exhaust and 400hp fuel pump.
Can we just leave this here now ?
Why is everyone on toymods out to pick a fight, be a tosser or try and disprove someones legitimate results ??
This thread was started as I wanted to find out what other times people had run at the drag strip, and what power figures everyone else got.
I then get tossers like black supra pulling up totally irellevant shit that has nothing to do with this thread.
We also get people like jag7799 on here telling me that my dyno figures are not legit, calling me stupid.
I push my car to the limit every time I drive it, especially on the dyno and at the track. If I choose to run 17psi, thats my decision, and you need to realise that you can not change what other people want to do with their car.
Just be happy, accept the fact that I want to run 17psi, dont go calling me stupid and tell me I'm wasting my money. I didnt tell you that you were wasting your money when you spent $20,000 on your 1985 model MZ10 Soarer did I ? NO, I didnt. I was trying to help you.
I have NEVER said a bad word to you, yet you come on here and pay me out as if you think you and your car are better than me, and you want to start a fight ????
Why cant this club just be all about members sharing and talking about similar interestes, instead now I know why many long standing well known members have now dis-associated them selved from the club. This is also why toymods has recieved the nickname TOOLMODS out in the community, because you all act like a bunch of tools.
Try to act like adults next time you post, and remember that we are all on the same team here, we should be congratulating each other, joining together to find new ways to get more power, going to the the drag strip or dyno together, not on here paying each other out.
This used to be a great club, and as many people have said in the past few weeks, they havent seen me on here much, thats becasue I consider most of you to be a waste of time.
If anyone wants to see what a REAL car club online community is like, ALSC, Australian Lexus Soarer Club is one I consider to be better than any other. They dont bag other members, they dont always try and proove others are wrong, or try and proove one car is better than the other. They are there to have fun, learn, share information and meet great people who have common interests. Toymods has such potential, but if idiots keep getting on and starting shit fights like this all the time, it will just continue to go down hill.
We are all on the same team guys, we all own toyotas, there's no reason to go and tell people off and bring up stupid shit like you guys have above.
Think about it.... would you prefer a friendly comunity where we can all interact together as mates,
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One where there are always shit fights, slanging matches, "my car is better than your car" and hassling other peoples choices and desisions, and deleted and locked threads ??
Think about this next time you post jag7799 and blacksupra.
and all the other guys like mx83toy, Cressida Chick, alwaysRA23, Special Ed, Lambolica, TUB-11Y, Chris Davey, thanks for your support, or information in this thread, its people like you that will keep this club alive.
To all the tools in this thread, and every other on toymods thread where people are causing shit fights, read this twice if you have to, but if you are adult enough, you will relise what I am saying, and you might understand what I am saying, and think twice before you post that next stupid comment.
Thats my 2 cents.
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 02:00
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well said,
keep us posted on what how ur soarer goes with its mods, as a 1JZ owner im very interested to find out what gains you get and how much all the mods you do cost.
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I have never once said my car is better than anyone else's car on the forums.
Nor do i dispute your power output.
I just think the way your going about it isn't the most intelligent thing ive seen posted on here. Thats my opinion and i voiced it, if you don't like it, brush it off and get over it. I know i have.
And its not "irrelevant shit" if the information is pertinent to the thread. In this case, i shall classify it as 'silly things done to engines that will cause damage'. That is how the over- fueled 1jz ties in with excessive boost on a completely stock 1jz engine.
I would say someone informing you that you are probably running a bit too much boost on a stock engine as legitimate 'information sharing'. This is exactly what Johal did and you didn't seem to like that, mind you all the dyno talk was a bit of a toss.
Some people are a bit too protective of their dyno figures and cars. Seriously, if you build a car for yourself, you don't have to prove anything to anyone** and you should be comfortable knowing the truth behind the stats. If someone questions the figures 'settle it on the blacktop'.
If you want to call me names thats fine, tossers are cool. 
** with the exception of Ed. 
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| BlackSupra wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 14:06 |
I have never once said my car is better than anyone else's car on the forums.
Nor do i dispute your power output.
I just think the way your going about it isn't the most intelligent thing ive seen posted on here. Thats my opinion and i voiced it, if you don't like it, brush it off and get over it. I know i have.
And its not "irrelevant shit" if the information is pertinent to the thread. In this case, i shall classify it as 'silly things done to engines that will cause damage'. That is how the over- fueled 1jz ties in with excessive boost on a completely stock 1jz engine.
I would say someone informing you that you are probably running a bit too much boost on a stock engine as legitimate 'information sharing'. This is exactly what Johal did and you didn't seem to like that, mind you all the dyno talk was a bit of a toss.
Some people are a bit too protective of their dyno figures and cars. Seriously, if you build a car for yourself, you don't have to prove anything to anyone** and you should be comfortable knowing the truth behind the stats. If someone questions the figures 'settle it on the blacktop'.
If you want to call me names thats fine, tossers are cool.
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what he said...
i never disputed your power figure.. only tried to give u an estimate of that it would be comparable to other peoples.
as for my exhaust.. its a 2.5 inch pipe bent and does sfa to help the power much.. and the reason you do such things as cooler etc is getting the engine and turbo's to run happier... hence making the same power with less boost...
i dont see what ur trying to prove getting most out of stock turbo's with no modifications.. seems rather silly to me.
What difference does me having a decent fuel pump make(probably more than 400 hp anyway (260 litre/hour))
Its not like I came out and said "your a dick, your power rating is wrong" i explained that shootout mode reads high, which it does.. its now considered the right way to do it.. but even though ive argued with people about it before(on your side of the
equation) i was stating that 160rwkw on the toymods dyno would be around what your car will make.
its probably all jumbled but im in a rush
cheers.
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Sun, 15 August 2004 07:01
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hes not leaving it standard for long... just comparing the power and time slip differances, which sounds good to me. because i dont plan on doing a turbo conversion on my car, so im really keen on seeing what power each mod pulls.
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 17:01 |
hes not leaving it standard for long... just comparing the power and time slip differances, which sounds good to me. because i dont plan on doing a turbo conversion on my car, so im really keen on seeing what power each mod pulls.
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OMG !!!! Someone actually understands what I am doing.
I already have parts of my new exhaust, and my new intercooler here, and other bits and pieces on the way that I want to keep under my hat until installed in the car.
and to the scynical ones,
I just think its funny how people get so shitty when my standard 1jz beats theirs and they have mods.
Next these guys will be saying that I cant make 250rwkw or above in my car on stock turbs. They will always have excuses as to why they "think" its not legit. Nothing is more legit than a dyno dynamics shoot out mode dyno reading. It doenst matter what gear it is in, there was a dedicated thread by jag7799 about this, and Dyno Dynamics in melbourne even told him that it doesnt matter what gear it is done in.
| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 05 July 2004 10:14 |
Hi everyone
I just got off the phone with dyno dynamics after everyones critiscizing of my cars dyno run done in 3rd gear.
After a long conversion with the dyno dynamics guy it turns out that the dyno run was done in the right gear.
the theory that the dyno in shootout mode has to be done to your closest 1:1 ratio is infact false.
For shootout mode to be run correctly it needs to have its full acceleration between 100 and 140 km/h.
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Therefore, you can go on as long as you like, my power figures are correct, and it was done in the correct gear for my car.
Next time when someone pulls a better figure than you, try not to be so immature.
As stated before, 1700kg of Stock JZZ30 Soarer doing the 1/4 mile in 13.5 seconds more than proves the 200kw at the wheels, as shown on the dyno.
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Sun, 15 August 2004 07:48
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Re: ran 13.5 1/4 mile at WSID last night in Stock Soarer
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Sun, 15 August 2004 07:58
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Dyno figures don't mean a whole heap to me except mine are low and everyone elses are generally higher.
Guys, at the end of the day the car ran the time that it did. I'm sure anyone with doubts about it's power output could feed the numbers into a calculator and work out the figures for themselves based on time, speed & weight.
Just remember - Kristian is the one out there doing it, and at the end of the day 13.5 sec is a pretty good quarter mile time for a luxo-barge like the Soarer.
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:27
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 17:42 |
| alwaysRA23 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 17:01 |
hes not leaving it standard for long... just comparing the power and time slip differances, which sounds good to me. because i dont plan on doing a turbo conversion on my car, so im really keen on seeing what power each mod pulls.
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OMG !!!! Someone actually understands what I am doing.
I already have parts of my new exhaust, and my new intercooler here, and other bits and pieces on the way that I want to keep under my hat until installed in the car.
and to the scynical ones,
I just think its funny how people get so shitty when my standard 1jz beats theirs and they have mods.
Next these guys will be saying that I cant make 250rwkw or above in my car on stock turbs. They will always have excuses as to why they "think" its not legit. Nothing is more legit than a dyno dynamics shoot out mode dyno reading. It doenst matter what gear it is in, there was a dedicated thread by jag7799 about this, and Dyno Dynamics in melbourne even told him that it doesnt matter what gear it is done in.
| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 05 July 2004 10:14 |
Hi everyone
I just got off the phone with dyno dynamics after everyones critiscizing of my cars dyno run done in 3rd gear.
After a long conversion with the dyno dynamics guy it turns out that the dyno run was done in the right gear.
the theory that the dyno in shootout mode has to be done to your closest 1:1 ratio is infact false.
For shootout mode to be run correctly it needs to have its full acceleration between 100 and 140 km/h.
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Therefore, you can go on as long as you like, my power figures are correct, and it was done in the correct gear for my car.
Next time when someone pulls a better figure than you, try not to be so immature.
As stated before, 1700kg of Stock JZZ30 Soarer doing the 1/4 mile in 13.5 seconds more than proves the 200kw at the wheels, as shown on the dyno.
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god are you fucking stupid?
IM NOT SAYING UR DYNO FIGURES ARE WRONG... for someone who runs a company you obviously have no brain.
IM SAYING IT IS RIGHT FOR SHOOTOUT MODE!, yes i argued mine was right, which it is.. in shootout mode.. cause i wanted to prove mine was done right
WHAT I AM SAYING is that where people do theirs in whatever mode at the 1:1 ratio what your power would be rated at in said mode..
im not doubting ur cars power.. or saying mines better... but in saying that id rather make the same power as you at 11 psi with my mods than kill an engine that i cant afford to replace..
at no time have i said your power figure was wrong, just informing that it wouldnt be the same done the way everyone else seems to do theirs(i agree with the way yours is done.. and mine will continue to get done that way).
I understand what ur doing.. and on say stock boost levels or something sensible(11 psi) it would make sense
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:34
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according to that thing i shall run a 12.6 at 11 psi and a 12.2 at 14 psi or so.. i dont see that happenning.. and ofcourse those calculations are very general..
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:36
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 Dude, there's no need for personal insults.
Maybe next time just take a walk around the block before posting eh?
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 18:27 |
god are you fucking stupid?
for someone who runs a company you obviously have no brain.
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Thanks for the compliment mate.
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:48
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lucid i think you should read the whole thing again and see that supraman is attacking also
"Think before you type next time idiot"
"tossers like black supra"
buddy we all know your the greatest
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:53
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 18:43 |
| Lucid wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 18:36 |
Dude, there's no need for personal insults.
Maybe next time just take a walk around the block before posting eh?
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I normally wouldnt.. but geez...
every single post I have said im not saying his power figure is wrong, its right for shootout mode.
and the only thing he can come up with in every post is that im saying his power figure is inaccurate..
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Yep, sure, you never questioned my power....
| Jag7799 wrote on Sat, 14 August 2004 18:15 |
no-one on this board will consider that legit power
As special_ed said, your power is way up on what it would be making on toymods dyno... on the toymods dyno, done in 4th gear like everyone elses it would read maybe 160rwkw.
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Sun, 15 August 2004 09:00
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| Jag7799 wrote on Tue, 06 July 2004 16:31 |
yes enjoy it until you
wrap the car around a pole and realise the 20 grand i have spent on it is gone.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 18:43 |
what i was saying is running 17 psi on engine without any free flowing exhaust is crazy(running 17 psi on the stock ceramic wheels is crazy no matter what
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Like I said before mate, I dont complain that you wasted $20,000 on an old 1985 model Soarer, so dont complain that I may waste $500 on a set of turbos !!!
I'd say my turbos will blow one day, and yes, it may cost me $500 to replace them, but how will you ever get $20K back for your car ???
I'm not judging how you waste your $20K on your car, so dont try and judge me on how I choose to waste $500 on a set of turbos...
You have to learn that people may waste money mate, BUT you shouldnt judge people without looking at your own actions first.
whats that saying.... people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ?
In ragards to the times that website says you could run, I dont see why a 12.6 or 12.2 isnt possible (if you can get traction), Joey ran 12.8 in a 1500-1600kg 1jz powered Cressida. Yours is considerably lighter I assume, so those numbers are definatly possible.
I think this shit fight has gone on enough.
My thread has been destroyed, but lets see if we can end it in a civil manner hey ?
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my car weighs about 1300 kg with me in it.. traction is an issue and my solid suspension doesent help.. but i doubt ill get even high 12's...
As for your power.. ive never doubted it.. I have just stated that it wont be accepted by anyone if you mention yours was done in 2nd gear without a 1:1 ratio, I know this because I did so and got flamed, I argued this fact for ages until i decided to prove that my dyno was done right, so i rang up and thats how said post started. your cars power is spot on...... for shootout mode(which is the right mode) but was stating that compared to people who have done it the old way(non shootout mode, 1:1 ratio etc) it wont be accepted and until they start doing it in shootout mode aswell yours, and my power figure cant be set in stone.
As for the turbo's.. do it on sensible boost and save yourself some money and you will still get the test results you desire without killing some turbo's. at 17 psi they are already well out of their efficiency zone. do the tests at around 14 psi, the smart way.
Comprehend?
but, for comparisons sake. if you have free dyno time, when u get
exhaust and cooler done run it at 11 psi and see the power level you get and that will give us both something to compare on(although my exhaust is pos and restrictive)
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I wouldnt be surprised if the car made more power on say 15 psi rather than 17 psi or so...
might want to try that aswell
cause considering they are being run way out of their efficiency zone they will be overboosted and running VERY making the intercooler cool the air letting decently hot air into inlet manifold(all assumptions). where as 15 psi might give off a better compromise between heat and air making the IC cool it more compressing the air better into cylinders
Remember forcing crap loads of air is all good.. but you also want the air to be reasonable temperture.. cause forcing hot air into the engine wont help your power at all
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WOW!!! top forum, nice to see we can all get along together
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| bstjunkie wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:34 |
WOW!!! top forum, nice to see we can all get along together
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its just a lovers quarrel, you know how it is..
He wasnt awesome in bed last night so i let him know in other ways
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Sun, 15 August 2004 09:42
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:31 |
I wouldnt be surprised if the car made more power on say 15 psi rather than 17 psi or so...
might want to try that aswell
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Did that already.
On tuesday I ran 14.7psi on the dyno and made 194rwkw
On friday I ran 17psi on the dyno and pulled 204rwkw.
I gained 10rwkw for just over 2psi of boost. With modifications, I would expect this gain to be alot more, but while its stock, and at the edge of the turbos efficiancy, 10rwkw for 2psi is pretty good.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:38 |
| bstjunkie wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:34 |
WOW!!! top forum, nice to see we can all get along together
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its just a lovers quarrel, you know how it is..
He wasnt awesome in bed last night so i let him know in other ways
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good to se you arnt scared to bring your sexuality out into the open.... its better that way....
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:18 |
your cars power is spot on...... for shootout mode(which is the right mode) but was stating that compared to people who have done it the old way(non shootout mode, 1:1 ratio etc) it wont be accepted and until they start doing it in shootout mode aswell yours, and my power figure cant be set in stone.
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FWIW, the last Toymods Dyno Day (9) was run in Shootout mode, and I can only imagine they will be done the same way in the future.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:38 |
| bstjunkie wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:34 |
WOW!!! top forum, nice to see we can all get along together
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its just a lovers quarrel, you know how it is..
He wasnt awesome in bed last night so i let him know in other ways
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good to se you arnt scared to bring your sexuality out into the open.... its better that way....
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Glad to see everyone's made up
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Sun, 15 August 2004 10:24
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| Lucid wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 20:09 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:18 |
your cars power is spot on...... for shootout mode(which is the right mode) but was stating that compared to people who have done it the old way(non shootout mode, 1:1 ratio etc) it wont be accepted and until they start doing it in shootout mode aswell yours, and my power figure cant be set in stone.
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FWIW, the last Toymods Dyno Day (9) was run in Shootout mode, and I can only imagine they will be done the same way in the future.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:38 |
| bstjunkie wrote on Sun, 15 August 2004 19:34 |
WOW!!! top forum, nice to see we can all get along together
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its just a lovers quarrel, you know how it is..
He wasnt awesome in bed last night so i let him know in other ways
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good to se you arnt scared to bring your sexuality out into the open.... its better that way....
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Glad to see everyone's made up
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we quite like threesomes if .... you know...
good to hear its being done in shootout mode now... that way everyones will be comparable and i can safetely quote my 200+rwkw(depending what it gets with 3 psi higher boost)
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Sun, 15 August 2004 11:45
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this is fucked im over it, its all too comin these shit fights, these forums are turning too shit, definitely not what they used to be a couple of years ago 
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what boost controller and fuel cut are you running?
there are some nice photos of a few cressida's and soarer's on realperformance but i dont know which one yours is. there is a shocking looking brugundy cressida wih a white bumper. probably still whipped some v8 arse though.
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13.9, 13.9, 13.9, 14.0. Manny was out there with his soara but i'll let him tell his own story 