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 thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 10:53
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ive found a car that i really like but im no expert so if anyone could help or give advice it would be much appreciated...
91 toyota soarer
2.5L twin turbo
97,000kms
18" rims
$3500 sound system
lowered
sport exhaust
$12,990
only thing wrong aparently is paint cracking on boot
does anyone know anything about these cars, such as what goes wrong once they get rather old...etc
what do you think about the price??
thanks
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 10:57
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Thats about the right price for an auto, but if its a manual its a bargain.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 11:01
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unfortunately its an auto...
the insurance under my name would be $8400 per year 
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January 2003
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 11:14
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Yea insurance is a b*%ch isn't it? I wasn' originally going to buy one of these babies, I love them lowered with some alloys. But realistically thew insurance is a real killer. If you really want a Soarer the V8's seemed slightly cheaper to insure, or there is the 3rd Party only insurance option, but if it's on a financed car thats crazy.
Like smt_007 said, its definately the right price. You could always settle on a MR2  thats what I did, and the insurance is less than half. Just a bit light on in the space department  .
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 11:43
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if the insurance is through my mum its still $2220....this is absolutely ridiculous for like a 13 year old car...
im gonna go check out the mr 2:)
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 11:56
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Im not sure about mr2's, but my mate said its like 3k comprehensive for a bathurst mr2. Katz... how old are you?, obviously if your under 25 comprehensive insurance is a killer for cars like this.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 12:02
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18 in september, so quite a few years to go until insurance rates become somewhat reasonable..
im gonna go take a look at the soarer tomorrow or thursday with my uncle, then if that goes well ill get an RAC check done. then i gotta figure out how im gonna pay lol
anyone want to buy a little buzz bomb?
98 man sirion daihatsu 
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 12:45
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Katzamarang just bear in mind that while you can ring up an insurance company, or stick the numbers in their online quote it doesn't mean you are covered. I looked at teh TT Soarer, about the same price to insure as you using Dad's 60% NCB, go a bit excited. But when you speak to them(NRMA or most companies in my case) they wont insure you as a listed driver until you are 29(NRMA) or 25(other companies). Just car insurance, which would cover me in my own name for a $2800 premium, would only insure the car up to $8500, which was $4000 less than I would have paid for the car....If you are going to get a Turbo car, either get 3rd Party Prop & risk it, or wait till you are off your Red P's on onto your Greens P's, then Shannons to consider you....Things may have changed, but it's worth checking.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 12:52
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yeah its rather confusing, but from what i can understand my mum is the "main driver" and we pay an extra $700 which is in the $2200 for me as another listed driver. anyone over 25 can drive the car and be insured but im the only one under 25 that is covered. this is with SGIO, RAC wont cover imported cars and i havent tried any others yet..thats tomorrows fun 
what are green P's?
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this may seem like a stupid question but what is a drift car??
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 12:59
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Ahhhhhhhh I didn't see that you were in Perth. Forget all the crap I said about P's, its NSW's stupid provisional liscence thing.
A drift car is a car that is set up to Drift Usually AE86's, Supras, Skylines etc...Cars have tonnes of Torque(thus usually Turbo cars). The aim is to drive a car around the circuit in one continuous slide, takes a lot of skills. Just search the forums for "drift"
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 13:05
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Over in NSW, we have 12 months of red P's and then like 18months of green P's. Drift cars are cars with a crap load of power (common example trueno ae86). Normally you take corners fast, and get the rear to slide out whilst holding it throughout the corner...basically
Here's a fine example 
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 13:09
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ohhhhhhhhhhh ok, we just get stuck with ps for 2 years over here, or maybe its 3 years?
well apparently the car i want is an ex drift car...
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 13:21
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Alchemist - how old are you?, and howmuch do you pay for a mr2 yearly?, coz i was thinking of these two cars and it looks like an mr2 is a good choice.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 23:41
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| katzamarang wrote on Tue, 17 August 2004 22:39 |
ohhhhhhhhhhh ok, we just get stuck with ps for 2 years over here, or maybe its 3 years?
well apparently the car i want is an ex drift car...
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That's good news - it means that it's had the shit flogged out of it for 90% of the time and probably has a bit of "drift damage" from the previous driver going sideways into poles, gutters, trees etc. I'd run, not walk, away!
Try a specialist imported car insurer like Just Cars, Famous Car Insurance or similar. The usual guys like RAC, AAMI etc will charge like a wounded bull - do you really want to pay them $40 a week just to have your car insured? If you're under 25 and have no insurance history look for an austalian delivered, non turbo car.
[Updated on: Tue, 17 August 2004 23:43]
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 23:53
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| dimmy77_03 wrote on Tue, 17 August 2004 23:05 |
Drift cars are cars with a crap load of power (common example trueno ae86).
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 23:53
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I wouldnt buy an "ex drift car".. but then again it might just be a tool trying to sound cool while he is selling the car.. drifting a soarer is stupid..
Personally for insurance I would go 3pp and risk it
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Tue, 17 August 2004 23:59
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But spending so much on a car when you are still quite young is not always a great idea, maybe you should consider something a little cheaper, like a nice old Celica or Corolla, and when you get a bit more experience and money, move onto something more powerful like an MZ20/GZ20 (80's) Soarer or Supra,
It is very easy to get carried away and dream about owning a perfect awesome car, but realistically, you would be living beyond your means, and you can't afford it... I severly doubt that anyone on these forums had enough money to buy a JZ Soarer or Supra as a first car
If you want to buy it, go ahead, just my 2c 
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 00:09
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| soaringmik wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 09:59 |
But spending so much on a car when you are still quite young is not always a great idea, maybe you should consider something a little cheaper, like a nice old Celica or Corolla, and when you get a bit more experience and money, move onto something more powerful like an MZ20/GZ20 (80's) Soarer or Supra,
It is very easy to get carried away and dream about owning a perfect awesome car, but realistically, you would be living beyond your means, and you can't afford it... I severly doubt that anyone on these forums had enough money to buy a JZ Soarer or Supra as a first car
If you want to buy it, go ahead, just my 2c
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my "1st" car is a jz soarer im definately living outside my means and cant be insured comprehensively... spent about 20k on it after respray.. more if u include parts car and such.
Its not that bad, as long as you dont drive like a dick and tailgate anyone and be totally stupid, 3pp is fine. In the chance that someone hits you they "should" have insurane to cover you.. and in my case there, market value is around 3k... on a car thats had shite loads spent on it.. so for someone like me.. its not worth it.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 00:17
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Well, there was bound to be one person
But what I was trying to get at, was that you don't seem to know very much about cars in general (no offence), so it would be great to start on something more affordable, and when you break it, you won't be in debt for the rest of your life,
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 00:35
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| soaringmik wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 10:17 |
Well, there was bound to be one person
But what I was trying to get at, was that you don't seem to know very much about cars in general (no offence), so it would be great to start on something more affordable, and when you break it, you won't be in debt for the rest of your life,
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I can see where your coming from.. but really, 91 soarer parts(and engine parts) arent that expensive or hard to come by, as there is so many at wreckers and stuff prices arent as high. and if u go through buying a few cars before you buy the car u want.. there is alot of money wasted there(through depreciation and having to fix those cars etc) that could be spend on the car you really want
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 00:49
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True True,..
But,
Soarer = $12k - $15k
Insurance = $3k minimum
In my eyes, that money would be better spent on a house, and if your smart, you could buy a brand new $50k car within 5 years...
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 06:30
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this will be my second car, the first car is starting to die...but i can still get about 6000 for it. as far as i can see its better to grab a car that you want now rather than buy a bomb that u will probably end up spending heaps on for repairs. but the insurance has stopped me getting this car...minimum i found was $2200 and thats in my mums name.
id love to get an old celica but a couple of my friends got them and they all have around 300 000 kms on them and sound like they could blow up at any second
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 06:40
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| katzamarang wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 16:30 |
this will be my second car, the first car is starting to die...but i can still get about 6000 for it. as far as i can see its better to grab a car that you want now rather than buy a bomb that u will probably end up spending heaps on for repairs. but the insurance has stopped me getting this car...minimum i found was $2200 and thats in my mums name.
id love to get an old celica but a couple of my friends got them and they all have around 300 000 kms on them and sound like they could blow up at any second
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just get the jzz30 soarer with 3pp insurance.. my suggestion
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 06:49
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| katzamarang wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 16:00 |
this will be my second car, the first car is starting to die...but i can still get about 6000 for it. as far as i can see its better to grab a car that you want now rather than buy a bomb that u will probably end up spending heaps on for repairs.
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That's very true - however as you say a twin-turbo is the car you want now, not necessarily the car you need as the insurance is expensive. Any import or turbo is going to cost a lot more in insurance than an australian delivered, non turbo.
I'm trying to think of nice cars that are less than 15 years old, reliable, australian delivered, non-turbo, fast and insurance friendly... but I can't!
You're almost 18 now, if you own the soarer for 4 years it'll cost you $10K just to insure it - money that's better spent on a house or invested rather than given to the insurance company. You can always buy a turbo car later on when insurance isn't so pricey. But hey, it's your cash - spend it how you please!
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 06:55
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| lumpy wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 16:49 |
| katzamarang wrote on Wed, 18 August 2004 16:00 |
this will be my second car, the first car is starting to die...but i can still get about 6000 for it. as far as i can see its better to grab a car that you want now rather than buy a bomb that u will probably end up spending heaps on for repairs.
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That's very true - however as you say a twin-turbo is the car you want now, not necessarily the car you need as the insurance is expensive. Any import or turbo is going to cost a lot more in insurance than an australian delivered, non turbo.
I'm trying to think of nice cars that are less than 15 years old, reliable, australian delivered, non-turbo, fast and insurance friendly... but I can't!
You're almost 18 now, if you own the soarer for 4 years it'll cost you $10K just to insure it - money that's better spent on a house or invested rather than given to the insurance company. You can always buy a turbo car later on when insurance isn't so pricey. But hey, it's your cash - spend it how you please!
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why does everyone say comprehensive is so needed?
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 09:01
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well thanks for everyones advice , i have taken it onboard and have decided to look around for something cheaper where i can actually put everything in my name and start up a no claims bonus thing for later on when i can afford insurance.
my criteria now is non turbo, less than 150,000kms and less than $8000. shouldnt be too hard.
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Re: thinking about buying 91 soarer, am i an idiot?
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Wed, 18 August 2004 11:44
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You can get a nice rolla for that Before everyone starts going they're FWD blah blah blah...they're freakin awesome cars 
Cant go wrong with a corolla. Got mine for $4500 with 64000km, and excellent condition...So go hunt one down
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