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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 02:39
 
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Yeah but what if you already have a sports exhaust, will they bolt straight on, and how big are they in diameter
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 05:20
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it thats a 3" downpipe on it then count me in for sure!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 07:18
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Yep, if that a three inch pipe then count me in.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 09:00
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Are they Dave Wilson's dump pipes?
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 10:45
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that is cheap!
and they have the spot for the 02 sensor. I had to make a bracket for mine  Dodgy MOFO!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 11:15
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there was a HPI mag not long ago that had a add near the first few pages... was selling pre made dump pipes for 350 aswell... u could prolly just ring... give em the money and they will send em out to ya
Pete
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 12:20
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they dont look to bad, id be IN for a group buy 4 shizzle.
unless your trying to keep this a well kept secret could you pass on his info so others ie. ME could call him for more info, saves us asking you questions.
Cheers.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 18 August 2004 13:47
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 secret for now i'll let everyone know soon though, it's my understanding that they are 2.5" dumps into a 3" it is being comfirmed as we type 
nope they are not Daves and all the ones i see in the mags for sale look like 
and sell for $395
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 00:34
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you shouldn't have to take the rear turbo off to fit them. I didn't anyway mine are quite similar except they join further down the car and one has a flange on it.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 01:47
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Cool well lets get the ball rolling
Who is the mob they are through, who is collecting payments etc?
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 02:06
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Yep - me keen too - jets get going, I need more HP!!!!!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 02:32
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twin 2.5"'s into a 3" these will support in exess of 300RWKW so they wont be a prob....seperate wastegate pipes would be nice but at the end of the day its not a massive diff.... these i belive will work very well and for the price who's complaining!!! 
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 05:00
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cool, a dewd who works with metal makes em up apparently uses laser cut flanges ect and look to be of great quality we'll get the ball rolling now... who ever wants a set please pm me. i'll take a 100 dollar deposit and balance on completion howz this sound guyz???
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 05:04
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Does this 'dewd' have a Name, Business or Contact phone number?
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 09:24
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PM SENT
how long will it take to get these made?
Cheers
Matty
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Thu, 19 August 2004 10:00
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wildsupra, didnt know yours had a 1j in it? who did the conversion?
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Thu, 19 August 2004 15:53
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Dave Johnson is the name i have... i havnt heard of dave wilson???...
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 19 August 2004 16:13
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Mofo III, i believe Wildsupra did the conversion himself
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 20 August 2004 03:12
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that car has the mother of all towel racks on it
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 20 August 2004 04:01
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| poombah wrote on Fri, 20 August 2004 12:42 |
that car has the mother of all towel racks on it
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Not towel racks, trolley poles...
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 20 August 2004 16:10
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you know they look very cool with no rear wing
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Fri, 20 August 2004 17:30
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nah then they look too much like a 180sx
and we cant have that, so the towel rack stays 
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 02:28
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and back to the twin pipes....
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 10:49
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| Mofo III wrote on Thu, 19 August 2004 00:14 |
ive been quoted a increase of up to 40hp, ...the dyno will tell.
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dont know about 40hp, but my personal experience was 26rwhp and the boost went upto 11psi from stock
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 14:28
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erm... stock is 11.6psi
+6 x 100mmHg = (.8kg/cm2/bar/kpa) = 11.6psi
mx83toy - we greatly appreciate you informing us of these dump pipes at such a low price, but if you want us to start making deposits your gonna have to earn our trust and give us all the information we need.
i dunno about other people, but if you think you can open a thread, give us 1 unsubstantiated name to go buy, and expect us/me to start giving our money to you as deposits ($100) then you are kidding yourself.
right now from the way you have been avoiding my questions and showing a lack of leadership, my best guess is either your hiding details from us so you can make money off us or;
these dump pipes dont even exist and your planning a huge scam.
either way you wont see my (and anybody else's money god forbid) untill you provide us with enough information to satisfy us that these dump pipes exist, are of quality on par with what you have provided in the supplied picture, that you have either a written contract with a legitmate metal fabricator or can assure us that we will get our deposits back if the supplier falls through; to say the least!
i have made certain administrators aware of this thread and they are keeping a close eye on it.
Good Luck.
Todd.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 14:31
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| Mofo III wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 00:28 |
erm... stock is 11.6psi
+6 x 100mmHg = (.8kg/cm2/bar/kpa) = 11.6psi
mx83toy - we greatly appreciate you informing us of these dump pipes at such a low price, but if you want us to start making deposits your gonna have to earn our trust and give us all the information we need.
i dunno about other people, but if you think you can open a thread, give us 1 unsubstantiated name to go buy, and expect us/me to start giving our money to you as deposits ($100) then you are kidding yourself.
right now from the way you have been avoiding my questions and showing a lack of leadership, my best guess is either your hiding details from us so you can make money off us or;
these dump pipes dont even exist and your planning a huge scam.
either way you wont see my (and anybody else's money god forbid) untill you provide us with enough information to satisfy us that these dump pipes exist, are of quality on par with what you have provided in the supplied picture, that you have either a written contract with a legitmate metal fabricator or can assure us that we will get our deposits back if the supplier falls through; to say the least!
i have made certain administrators aware of this thread and they are keeping a close eye on it.
Good Luck.
Todd.
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as far as I was aware, stock was around 8-9 psi.. and thats what ive always been told
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 14:46
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| Mofo III wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 00:39 |
this is a picture of the instrument cluster of my car, its a november 1991 jza70 toyota supra twin turbo R, it has a 1jz-gte in it, the picture shows my standard boost gauge, on the boost gauge it shows a maxium reading of +6 x 100mmHg, this simple maths equation equates to 600 millimeters mercury @ 0'C, 600mmHg (fullboost as illustrated) equates to 11.6021 psi.
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absolutely no mods?.. like not even cat back exhaust?
cause generally most gauges etc generally give some leeway so that normal is not the highest point of the gauge, if u get my drift
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 15:18
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it doesnt matter if i have a T88 on the bastard, what it shows is what it is, standard boost gauges are extremely accurate as long as they are operating within there native boost range, if i took a shot of me boosting at 20psi (example!), the needle would be fouling the top of the gauge, then it would be inaccurate.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 15:38
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| Mofo III wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 01:18 |
it doesnt matter if i have a T88 on the bastard, what it shows is what it is, standard boost gauges are extremely accurate as long as they are operating within there native boost range, if i took a shot of me boosting at 20psi (example!), the needle would be fouling the top of the gauge, then it would be inaccurate.
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you didnt answer my question...
did you have any mods at all with that picture?.. it would matter cause any sort of breathing mods(even a cat back exhaust) will bring the boost level up automatically.. hence not being at std boost anymore
and it would matter if u had a t88 on it.......
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 17:23
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your question is totally irrelevant.
standard boost is defined by the cars manufacturer preset.
toyota put a max of 600mmHg on my boost gauge and as long as the needle doesnt rise above that mark, im running standard boost.
just because a car is stock and doesnt mean it will run less boost, it just doesnt breath as freely as a modified car and wont reach full boost unless operated in prime conditions.
as long as the wastegates on my car remain untouched, boost will always be governed to 'standard' to the best of the wastegates ability.
no matter which way you look at it, it doesnt matter what mods i do to my car, as long as the ecu AND turbos/wastegates are standard, they are limiting boost to stock levels.
do you understand now?
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sat, 21 August 2004 23:49
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just because a car is stock and doesnt mean it will run less boost, it just doesnt breath as freely as a modified car and wont reach full boost unless operated in prime conditions.
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Umm imn sorry this is totally incorrect opening up an exhaust WILL increase boost on stock 1j . And in most situations on any turbo car .
removing a restriction in an exhaust allows MORE air past the exhasut wheel making more boost
stock boost on most 1js is 9 psi and 11 psi with dumps and free flowing exhaust .
with SOME exhaust designs boost has been as high as 14 psi without even a boost controller fitted
THE REAR TURBO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REMOVED !!!!
These dumps look quite ok and are a copy of the original dumps we had made about 5 years ago .
The bends are a little sharp but the price is good
It seems a lot of people have misunderstood the design of the original dumps and their purpose .
JUST ADDING DUMPS WILL MAKE VERY LITTLE DIFFERNCE THE ENTIRE EXHAUST SYTEM NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED
Yes removing the restriction gives a good power gain .
The amount of power gained is relative to boost
at 16 psi good dumps will provide around 40 h.p @ wheels .
The BIG gain is mid range power delivery and torque
in order to get this much increase you need either twin cats or no cat and VERY high flowing exhaust . Ie all mandrel bends good mufflers
The dumps used to get the 40 h.p gain where much smoother particularly the bend at the first flange and they do not rejoin for about 1.5 metres under the car .
This ensures a massive reduction in heat both under bonnet and at the exhaust wheel but also get more air past the turbo faster . spool up time is reduced
although seperate wastegate dumps should in theory work better .the design we made like the Martin donnan ones gave a fatter midrange but seemed to make only minor gains in the top end .
The lastest generation dumps i had made give a HUGE midrange power increase and with considerably better spool up time PLUS the top end power curve is still smooth
0-100 times dropped to 4.69 secs and i think the 8.58 1/4 mile at dubbo (fastest stock turbo 1j) says it all
DEATILED photos of these will be avialable on my webpage in the next few weeks .THEY WILL NOT BE FOR SALE
http://www.hiperboost.com
however for the price these dumps look fine bang for buck cant argue.Just make sure the rest of the system is good enough to allow the dumps to actually work
the end result depends ENTIRLEY on the length of the 2.5 inch pipes then the total amount of flow the rest of the system can provide
the big thing to remember is that dumps allow higher boost to be run constantly without fear of killing turbos
MX83 toy
it may be worth adding that dumps will not fit ANY car they need to be specifiaclly manufactured to fit soarer,supra,cressdia etc. The postion of the steering arm causes this .
does this guy have a set of dumps for each specific vehicle or will he only make to fit certain cars
for the price these dumps look great !!!!!!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sun, 22 August 2004 01:05
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| Mofo III wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 03:23 |
your question is totally irrelevant.
standard boost is defined by the cars manufacturer preset.
toyota put a max of 600mmHg on my boost gauge and as long as the needle doesnt rise above that mark, im running standard boost.
just because a car is stock and doesnt mean it will run less boost, it just doesnt breath as freely as a modified car and wont reach full boost unless operated in prime conditions.
as long as the wastegates on my car remain untouched, boost will always be governed to 'standard' to the best of the wastegates ability.
no matter which way you look at it, it doesnt matter what mods i do to my car, as long as the ecu AND turbos/wastegates are standard, they are limiting boost to stock levels.
do you understand now?
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where does your information come from?, i know for a fact that adding exhaust and such on any turbo car pretty much raises boost.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sun, 22 August 2004 04:12
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stock boost on most 1js is 9 psi and 11 psi with dumps and free flowing exhaust .
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ok maybe i should have cleared this up in the first place.
you guys really need to define the word 'stock' / 'standard'...
...if you define standard boost by the maxium amount of boost a standard 1j equipped car see's on any given day, that would make sense to me in real world terms, but its still wrong.
...if you define standard boost by the maximum amount of boost the fucking car was designed to cope with, that the standard boost guage reads, then you would be correct. but this is the most technical definition that im guessing you wern't referring to.
SO in this case, if you want to talk in street terms then,
YES a modified car will see more boost than a standard car.
YES a standard 1j car will struggle to see more than 9psi on any given day.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Sun, 22 August 2004 13:53
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Dave Johnson is the name on the guy making em up (no company name ect. he's a backyarder *but hey....some of the best shit comes outta ppls garages sometimes*) they are twin 2.5" into one 3" he quoted they"ll fit cressida, soara and supra (dont know how though other cressida ones looked more complex than these and no i'm not making any money off the deal at all.
next person to imply that im cheating someone, or being dishonest, piss off! thats not who i am and take offence to it...
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Sun, 22 August 2004 14:18
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give the guy a break
he tries to help people and some of u be pricks
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Wed, 25 August 2004 15:45
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Yes, i stand corrected it is Dave Johnson, an ALSC member. Several members have these dumps fitted and swear by their gains.
One member had them flow tested as well. near double the flow of the Y piece. If need be i can find that data and post it up for all to see.
Bolt on , no mod fitment.
Nice price.
I don't have these dumps on my car, i bought the competitions. I still believe these to be excellent value for money.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 00:44
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| Mofo III wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 14:12 |
ok maybe i should have cleared this up in the first place.
you guys really need to define the word 'stock' / 'standard'...
...if you define standard boost by the maxium amount of boost a standard 1j equipped car see's on any given day, that would make sense to me in real world terms, but its still wrong.
...if you define standard boost by the maximum amount of boost the fucking car was designed to cope with, that the standard boost guage reads, then you would be correct. but this is the most technical definition that im guessing you wern't referring to.
SO in this case, if you want to talk in street terms then,
YES a modified car will see more boost than a standard car.
YES a standard 1j car will struggle to see more than 9psi on any given day.
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So by your "logic" and I use the term loosley here. My AW11 with a stock 4AGE should be able to rev to 9000RPM and hit 240kph since that is what the guages read up to. The guages aren't designed to be "maxed out" in production cars. They are designed to have some head room and to show off, pretending the car has more potential than it really does.
The facts of the matter are a stock 1j powered car, i.e. one that has not been modified (This tends to be the definition of stock), will tend to make around 9 pounds of boost. Of course if you modify the car with better air flow it can make more boost.
All you have shown is that the standard boost guage is incremented up to ~11 pounds of boost.
On a side note, most factory guages are rather poorly calibrated at the outer ends of their measuring range.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 03:25
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my 1J made 0.74 BAR (digital readout using recal funtion.....
anyway....
you guyz still what to go ahead with a group buy?????
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 04:16
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i dont remember talking about mr2's, speedo's, or the rpm tacho anywhere in my posts, but just to be relative, my speedo reads to 180kph, the car bounces off speed limiter in 4th gear, still has another gear to go!
rpm tacho reads to 8000rpm, and i try not to bounce off the limiter for this one.
what you said for the latter part sounds right to me, my car is still running within the standard boost range.
toyota boost gauge's arn't most boost gauges. dead accurate untill overboosting.
I'm still keen as mustard for these dump pipes, but like everyone else, we are just sitting here waiting... for nothing.
mx83toy what dont you understand about this, you have the hookup, you have all the info, you have the contact, you are the thread starter, you are organising all of this, why are days goin by with you posting nothing, what do you expect us to do???, we have already shown heaps of expression of interest in this thread, which means many people want these dump's.
get off your ass, give us info, a contact, a bank account number and a time of completion and we will do the rest... give you deposits.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 04:35
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I think it would be fair for anyone to contact Dave Johnson at this stage [unacceptable delay] and ask his ok to post his details here with the necessary start/finish/deposit details etc.We obviously require some guidelines re how a group buy situation should be conducted as this is an excellent example of how to STUFF IT UP.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 05:00
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agreed.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 06:36
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well dave told me it will take him 2 week ends to make the lot and will do them for 350 if i order 10....i don't want to order 10 or more if i dont have definants... i don't want to have dave stuck with like 6 sets cause i told him to make 10...I asked people who were keen to PM me so i can give em my bank details to have a deposit deposited. from there when i had enough together i'd be giving dave the deposits to make up the pipes....from there its everything was getting handed over to dave....he was going to arrange shipping and collectiong of the rest of the money....i know it sounds hectic but it got us a cool price
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 08:03
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cool i'll ask dave what methods of contact he whants me to give out... does everyone still want to go ahead??? 350 is a mad price for these!!! and i myself dont want to miss out!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 08:39
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sent him an email asking permision to give out his email addy..
PLEASE PM ME IF YOUR A DEFINANT BUYER EVEN THOSENEED NUMBERS!!! we have 4 so far!!!
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 08:58
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you will find alot more people will place orders once they have made contact/ and comfirmed details with the supplier.
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 15:06
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mx83toy,I am sorry if we have been a bit hard on you,I realise these things [group buys] are not easy to organise and I agree we should not let this opportunity fall apart.I appreciate you bringing it to our attention and I would like to make a suggestion as to how we could proceed.
1.Interested parties will posta short simple post here in the following format:-
I am interested in purchasing these dumps provided they will fit without alteration the following vehichle:- bla bla
I wish to be contacted by Dave for confirmation they will fit this car.
I would like to deposit [once satisfied] to an account attached to Dave's name.I would like to be emailed at:- bla bla
THE END
Doing it this way removes all the "but you said" and all the responsibility lands with the one person who said it would fit,when it would be ready,who handles the freight,who quotes the freight etc etc.And perhaps they could be sent c.o.d. so customers are only forwarding $100 before they see something.
This will give you the numbers you require and us the details we require.What do you think.I will kick it off in a new post.....everybody else please do the same.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 15:14
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I am interested in buying these dumps provided they will fit mx83 cressida 1j [obviously] without alteration.
I want Dave to email me to confirm they will fit.
I want to deposit to Dave's account once satisfied with the details.
Please contact me at peterwj@tpg.com.au.
ps I am running out of time so dont keep me waiting too long.
Thankyou.
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 21:43
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it would be hard to guarantee the fitting to each engine bay without fitting one first wouldn't it?
You can guarantee fitting to the engine though.
I think it would be a leap of faith for the first person to try. Depending on your level of modification you can always just get the Y piece power ported.
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Location:
opening a can of whoop ass
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Thu, 26 August 2004 23:41
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they wont fit a cressida because of the steering arrangement. plain and simple. as someone earlier said.
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Location:
Forrestfield, WA
Registered:
August 2002
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 27 August 2004 00:58
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im in sydney next week... is there anywhere someone can recommend me to go pick a set of these up for sub $400?
Can you private message me details if possible
Thanks
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 27 August 2004 01:27
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Reading back through the posts on this subject,one post explains that the unique autosports dumps fit his 1j cressida,they were designed for soarer.This is the point.We cant purchase if they are going to hit your power steering.We are not talking about them linking up to your existing exhaust.If you are going to require additional work it will be of the common variety,Dumps are the hardest part to make and you cant purchase without knowing they will suit your stock position of components ie steering rack.Cheers.Pete.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2004
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 1JZ Dump Pipes Group Buy
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Fri, 27 August 2004 02:24
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by popular demand!!!!
daves addi
dje@dragnet.com.au
he does say they'll fit the cressi.....
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