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setup for drift
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Sat, 21 August 2004 17:07
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i got an ae86 with 4ag engine and some rims....everything else is stockies..
my question is..say if i have a budget of 1grand to spend on suspension to make my car driftable...which setup should i go for??
and another grand to spend on t18 rear end and used lsd..
any opinion on which 'good enough' suspension with the budget of 1 grand??
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Re: setup for drift
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Sat, 21 August 2004 23:47
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spend the 1k on driving lessons 
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 00:02
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| ae95 wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 09:47 |
spend the 1k on driving lessons
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I love it, find out what other people use, heaps of people with aftermarket drift setups on the forums. But i guess this is what the thread was for, silly me 
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 00:09
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We seem to get this same question about once a week lately. How about doing a search instead of turning our forums into a giant re-run?
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 02:29
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why search, norbie? why even look in the FAQ section??
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 02:43
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ROFL @ Paul
sorry but i have to agree with the other guys here, you need to learn how to drive hard and fast first 
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 03:56
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Spend a day or two at the skid pan as well without diesel - just water.
You'll learn a lot about understeering, pulling the handbrake (or not relying on it) and how good your setup is.
I learned a lot the last time I went ...
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 04:09
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 12:13 |
ROFL @ Paul
sorry but i have to agree with the other guys here, you need to learn how to drive hard and fast first
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And that wont happen untill you take your car out more than once a month!!
hahaha
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 05:01
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Get some big swaybars from whiteline, get some new bushes for all suspension components, get some lowered king springs with a harder spring rate, and a set of monroe gt gas shox and ya larfin for a bit over a grand. This setup has proved popular on a certain bronze sprinter in melb. Good luck
Cheers
Jezza
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 05:46
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oh well..i should shut up then....
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 06:49
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agreed, pour that $1k into fuel for hills runs
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 12:00
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| Rallystanza wrote on Sun, 22 August 2004 14:31 |
Get some big swaybars from whiteline, get some new bushes for all suspension components, get some lowered king springs with a harder spring rate, and a set of monroe gt gas shox and ya larfin for a bit over a grand. This setup has proved popular on a certain bronze sprinter in melb. Good luck
Cheers
Jezza
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wjhat a total and utter waste of a grand...
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 13:50
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LOL
You can't just slap a bunch of random components together and expect anything better than a random result.
Then again, most people can't drive so it doesn't really matter.
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 22:36
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no he's not be he knows what works and what does when it comes to suspension parts thats why paul. Like anyone who has been into modified cars for a long time, you soon learn to lrealise that you can throw money at a car and it wont have the expected reult you were after, or you could research, spend time thinking about te prob and gradually do bit by bit and then get a better result with less money spent.
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Re: setup for drift
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Sun, 22 August 2004 23:15
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Well.... You guys should have noticed that he wants a "good enough" setup for 1 grand.... For starters the option that i suggested would be "good enough" for one grand in my opinion simply because i have seen how "good enough" this can be for the 1 grand that satochi has to spend....
Instead of putting shit on my suggestion and then saying it is a waste of cash and there are better ways to do it, give the guy some ideas, after all that is what he asked us for?!
Cheers
Jezza
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Re: setup for drift
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Mon, 23 August 2004 01:16
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After you've got the LSD installed, take it for a good hard run to see what you think of its behaviour under power. You'll (hopefully) be amazed at the transformation when the rears start to spin a little, and the diff hooks up.
If you're comfortable with the LSD, and sure it ain't enough, I'd start with an adjustable pair of rear shocks, adjustable for both bump and rebound if you can find/afford them. These will let you play around with how quickly/violently it wants to break out, but should leave it quite controllable once it's out there. The big plus with going adjustable, is that you can just twirl a few dials to make it grip-tastic for the drive home!! 
If THAT doesn't do it for you, get a spare pair of rear rims, and fit the hardest, cheapest tyres you can find. I can recommend going narrow tyres on wide rims from experience: They'll break traction early, but super-super-progressively. Fat tyres on narrow(ish) rims grip, roll, flex, then BANG!! Nothing - they let go bigtime with no warning. 
Hope that helps bruz
Oh: I'd regard a stiffer sway-bar as a last resort to reduce rear grip if your motor can't keep the rears spinning hard enough to keep the tail out. I don't think Whitleline charge too much for their adjustable range of bars, once again to allow a driveable car going home from da drift sessionz.
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Re: setup for drift
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Mon, 23 August 2004 03:44
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Yes, there has been heaps written about Sprinter drift setups.
But in response to this specific question, rallystanza has been describing my car. I think for a cheap setup it works fine (also has to be streetable since it's my daily driver). Yes, there is no doubt that a matched setup of good quality parts and geometry changes will be far better. But for under $1000??
It's not going to happen. Or if it is possible please let me know, I'm very interested.
And yes, more practise is always the answer, but some half-decent suspension helps too. Stock oz-spec sprinters are boats.
Hen
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Re: setup for drift
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Mon, 23 August 2004 04:08
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| st184 sillycar wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 13:53 |
Same goes for the Whiteline adjustable sway bar(s).
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Like Simon said ... I'd ditch my Whiteline swaybars at the first opportunity ... but hey, that's my own opinion ... their idea is more geared towards track racing & not drifting so decide on what you really want.
Trial and error are the only way to find out what suspension suits you best ... so it doesn't matter what suspension components you get if you never drive the sucker at its limits.
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Re: setup for drift
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Mon, 23 August 2004 18:16
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my questions are not answered but at least i learn something from this thread...
+1 karma for u guys... 
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Re: setup for drift
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Tue, 24 August 2004 08:54
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Seriously, for a cheap setup I would recomend:
T-18 diff, and weld it locked (cheap remember, not the best)
Replace as many bushes with polyurathane that you can
use OK shocks, not so criticle realy on a track
stiffer springs. Low King springs or whatever i guess.
strut brace (very important, and cheap)
second hand sporty tyres
Mine are 195/60/14 Potenza RE711
Then its just practice, in the wet or gravel to start with, then go to the race track and try the same on a dry sealed road. Its actualy quite hardcore, drifting on a dry track, and not as easy as it looks. VERY dangerous on the street.
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Re: setup for drift
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Wed, 25 August 2004 00:20
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| Satoshi wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 04:16 |
my questions are not answered but at least i learn something from this thread...
+1 karma for u guys...
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Seriously: Don't even think about setup until you've driven/drifted a lot of hard laps somewhere with the LSD installed. They really do change the way a car reacts to the throttle that much.
After you've developed a solid feel for it with the new axle, I stand by what I said before:
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Given the lack of capital, I still say firm adjustable shox are the first port of call - gotta stop the squatting and body-roll long enough to break traction. Any suspension mods after that, and you can always adjust the shox to suit. Same goes for the Whiteline adjustable sway bar(s).
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You'll have an idea of what it needs after some hard punting: If it breaks free really easily, but just grips up once the rear's settled down, then you need stiffer rear springs and/or sway bar. If it's really hard to break-loose initially, then firmer rear shox will help cure that.
Like I think I said before - before you spend money on suspension, get a pair/set of drift tyres+rims. Hard, narrow tyres on wide rims is something you've gotta try to appreciate: they make almost any car driftastic!
[Updated on: Wed, 25 August 2004 00:22]
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