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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:36
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Hey all,
just wondering if anyone could help me out with the different types of the "mustang" style celicas out there?? As far as i know there are ta's ra's and 23's, 22's, 28's... but as for the differences between them all i've got no idea.
anyone able to describe them/their differences?? shape, engine, years etc...
should be interesting!
cheers
creeper
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:48
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I think its only the RA28 celica classed as the 'mini mustang' style.
In Japan & US I think there are RA25s etc..
But I wouldn't call a 22 or 23 mustang style.
Cheers
Joel
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Mon, 23 August 2004 06:56
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Yeah, in Australia, it's only the RA28s.
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:37
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In Australia we got the RA28 LT(1977 - 18R-C)
In the US. got the RA29 ST & GT (76-77 - 20R-C) - ugly front bumpers
Japan got the good deal RA28 ST-LT-GT-GTV (75-77 - 18R-C & G)
RA25 ST-LT-GT (73-75 - 18R-C & G)
TA27 ST-LT-GT (73-75 - 2T-C & G)
TA28 LT-ST (75-76 - 2T)
RA35 ST-LT-GT-GTV (76-77 - 18R-C & G)
TA35 ET-ST-LT (76-77 2T)
Europe got nearly the same as Japan in LT and GT models
The US GT appear to be a LT with GT exterior and interior but no go fast bits.
All in all generally you will only see RA28's (1977) in Australia as there are only a handful of the other models in the country.
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Re: Mustangs
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:45
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ah ok. so all the other types (ie non ra28) arent really considered mustangs as such, just as older/classic celicas i suppose...?
ta22's look great too, was always under the impression that there werent any different types till i actually got into them.
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Re: Mustangs
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Mon, 23 August 2004 07:50
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People call All the classic Celica's Mustangs in error.
Kind of like calling Honda's Fast.
It's pretty obvious why the liftback celica is known as the Mustang Shape as the designers at toyota were pretty lazy that year. The lines and tail lights of the lift backs are almost a direct knock off.
the TA22's RA/TA23 that are the other Celicas we get in AUS don't really resemble Mustangs but tend to get that blanket tag thrown on them.
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Re: Mustangs
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Mon, 23 August 2004 08:03
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Hi,
he TA27 and RA25 models are "mini Mustang" shape. The TA27 had the 2T series engine (1600cc) and the RA25 had the 18R series engine (2000cc).
These are JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) models and weren't exported to other countries.
These vehicles were the predecessors for the later RA28 series, which was exported and is what you mostly see in Australia.
The TA27/RA25 basically had the TA22 running gear underneath, and as such they have a shorter nose than the later RA28 model.
They look the same, but when you park an RA25 next to an RA28 you can notice the difference in nose length and bonnet. The RA28 had the bulge in the bonnet (as per RA23 coupe), whereas the TA27/RA25 had the flat bonnet of the TA22 series - but with some fancy triple-fluting along each side.
The TA27/RA25 also have 5 rear lights per side, as opposed as 3 per side on the RA28.
Come to the Show & Shine in October and you'll probably see some RA28s and an RA25. You'll be able to see the difference up close and personal.
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Mustangs
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Mon, 23 August 2004 13:25
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Japan got the good deal
RA28 ST-LT-GT-GTV (75-77 - 18R-C & G)
RA35 ST-LT-GT-GTV (76-77 - 18R-C & G)
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Isn't the JDM version of the R28 and the RA35 a bit of an overlap? It looks like it is from the info above.
Some European markets - Greece and UK are at least two that I am defintely sure about - also got the ST of the TA versions (slightly off topic I know) with the 2T-B. The GT was sort of available to special order in the UK, but at least they could get them! 
It is totally crazy how these two markets - one poorer than Australia and one where Japanese cars were not yet firmly established - they could get them but in Australia, where Japanese cars and Toyota were well established by this time...we missed out.
A huge pox on AMI / Toyota Australia  for their mulitude of sins past and present... no RT75 GSS, no RX22 GSS, no TA GT, no RA GT, no Corona GTs, no Levins, no cool Crown hardtops, no ST165 GT4's - need I go on?
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Re: Mustangs
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Mon, 23 August 2004 13:51
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so we know that the ra28 was the shape different from the rest. Then how are the ta22,ta23 and ra23 different?
This may sound dumb, but which one is "the best"? as in most sought after or popoular i suppose. 
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Mon, 23 August 2004 23:18
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Hi,
The TA22 has the 2T series engine and a shorter nose and 13inch wheels. The RA23 came later and has the 18R series engine, a longer nose (with the bulge in the hood - the TA22 had the flat bonnet) and 14 inch wheels. The TA23 was similar to the RA23 but had the 2T series engine. The RA23 and TA23 look the same - the main difference is the engine.
Which one is better is mainly subjective. Some like the smaller size of the TA22, yet others like the shape of the RA23.
The longer nose of the RA23/TA23 allows more options to fit 1G and other larger engines in the engine bay, whereas room is more limited in the TA22 series.
People in this forum own TA22, RA23 (dunno about TA23, but I'm sure there are some), RA25 and RA28. I'm sure there are pics of these cars on the site somewhere so you can see the difference yourself.
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 00:28
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Generally the RA28 and RA35 are the same except that the RA35 got the ugly Bumpers and was the first move towards the RA40 as the interior was a different style colour (no wood grain) and the RA35 Had a different Anti pollution setup to keep up with the rulings in Japan.
In Japan the RA28 (JDM) finished its production run in May 1976.
The RA35 (JDM) Started production in June 1976.
The RA28's for foregin markets (and the JDM GT & GTV) were build up until July 1977, when all the Classic Celica production ceased, and the Japanese designers had to design for themselves to come up with the RA40. 
Funnyly enough recently I came across a page that seemed to imply that the update front to the RA40 (square headlight) was done to resemble the Pontiac Trans-am and try to salvage the waning sales of the RA40.
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 03:19
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Thanks Lambolica, your explanations have cleared things up  I always wondered why the early JDM RA25 liftbacks I saw in photos looked different in the front end somehow to the RA28 and the TA's which were sold around the same time. I used to think that the RA28 was simply available in Japan 3-4 years before anywhere else. But now I know better
Typical Toyota trying to confuse me all the time 
The RA60 - square or round headlights - is a right shocker 
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 03:47
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Hi,
| creppervl wrote on Mon, 23 August 2004 23:51 |
which one is "the best"?
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Oh, that's easy to answer....
The RA25 GT2000 is hands down winner for the best. But, then again, I'm one biased muvva!
seeyuzz
river
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 04:24
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| shovelnose wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 13:19 |
The RA60 - square or round headlights - is a right shocker
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Err.. I think you're talking about the RA40 "cockroach" liftback.
The RA60 is the "other ugly Celica"... Look in my avatar.
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 04:45
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, river you just keep blowing your horn over there in "I've got an RA25 GT and you don't land"
Of the Australian delivered Classic Celicas (being the TA22 TA23 RA23 RA28) the choice of which is best is really up to the individual. Personally I have an obsession with RA28's and the Liftback Celicas in general.
For you to ponder---
TA22
TA23 - RA23
RA28
These are afew of the examples that can be found in the gallery of this site have a look and decide yourself what you like.
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Re: Mustangs
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Tue, 24 August 2004 08:02
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Hi,
| Lambolica wrote on Tue, 24 August 2004 14:45 |
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, river you just keep blowing your horn over there in "I've got an RA25 GT and you don't land"
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Lambo, when you get to my age mate, it's about the only horn I can blow
seeyuzz
river
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