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Sat, 21 September 2002 12:22
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Just wondering what the 18R-c is like compared to other series (j, g etc)
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Sat, 21 September 2002 12:40
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You mean engines like...1G, and 1JZ etc?
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Sat, 21 September 2002 12:52
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yah, i mean i have ra23, with standard 18r-c, is this an alright engine to work? or is it shithouse
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Sun, 22 September 2002 00:36
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The 18R-C isn't a good engine to work at all - in terms hp for the dollars you spend. It depends on how much power you want. My R-C had 43KW at the wheels and was fun to drive. It definitly lacked power though. You won't get heaps of power out of an R-C. A bigger carby, a set of extractors and a nice exhaust will make the motor more toruey, but you'll find that spending this much cash on an RC, you may as well have bought an R-G.
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Sun, 22 September 2002 00:44
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well it saves having to do an engine change and would make insurence cheaper keeping the stock engine and i had a go with a 89 model falcon off the lights and it kept up right beside him the whole way, and next light next to a p plater in a festiva  i was amazed at how slow festiva's actually are 
i don't see anything wrong with the 18-RC does what i want and is pretty good for what it is
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Sun, 22 September 2002 01:21
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Yeah sure it's fine for what it is, but that's not the question being asked. He wants to know if it's a good engine to "work", and the answer of course is NO. 
Get an 18R-G dude, they have lots more power stock and lots of potential if you want more again.
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Sun, 22 September 2002 01:27
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only reason they they don't get huge gains from engine work is because they don't have a free flowing head, i say get an rg head get it worked then bolt that ontop of your block and then there is no need to change the engine number or anything 
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Sun, 22 September 2002 08:04
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It sounds easy enough when you say it, but in practice it's not that easy to put an 18R-G on an 18R-C block. It's shitloads of stuffing around and there's not point. By contrast, getting an engine number changed is as simple as going to the department of transport and filling in a form!
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Sun, 22 September 2002 08:47
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Martin, was that Festiva "P" plater a purple 3 door??? With a guy driving and on green P's???
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Sun, 22 September 2002 10:05
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from my understanding the bottem end on a rc and rg are exactly the same only different heads, if thats not the case then what is the exact differences?
and no Ben it was a crappy green colour think it was Red P's
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Sun, 22 September 2002 10:42
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i don't know about that, i have an 18-RC and its got a fair bit of go in it, i know its not the fastest thing around or anything like that but i'm happy with it,
50RwKW and 169RwNm isn't something you would use as a boat anchor
not big figures but certainly something you could still have a little fun with
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Sun, 22 September 2002 11:23
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The bottom ends of the R-C and R-G are basicly the same, BUT the R-G has domed pistons whereas the R-C has flat tops.
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Sun, 22 September 2002 12:44
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18R-G has differnt Crank, rods, pistons, different dimension rings, differnt thrust bearings on the crank, differnt timing cover.
i think there may be a few more small internal diffeences but that all i know of for the moment.
best off just buying a 18R-G if it is carbied it is a slot in job.
but the 18R-C is a god everyday motor if thats what your after, and if by "work on" you mean doing valve clearences and timing adjustements and that sort of stuf. yes in that respect they are easy to work on.
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Sun, 22 September 2002 22:59
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I've got a few of these engines. The RA23 I bought recently has had the engine rebuilt, had some minor modifications to the engine (don't know exactly what) had extractors and a webber carby put on it. Compared to the others I have it goes a lot harder with half the effort. I think the previous owner spent about $600 - $800 to get someone else to do the work on this engine. As it's unregistered at the moment I haven't had a chance to take it for a good long run yet to really see how it goes.
After speaking to a few people about these engines it's been suggested a webber carby can make them go a lot better. They seem like a fairly easy engine to work on, not too complex.
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Mon, 23 September 2002 01:32
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| GIN51E wrote on Sun, 22 September 2002 20:42 |
i don't know about that, i have an 18-RC and its got a fair bit of go in it, i know its not the fastest thing around or anything like that but i'm happy with it,
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Sounds like you need to go for a drive in a quick car some day. I have an 18R-GEU in my RA23 and I consider that slow now, I wouldn't be able to stand it if it still had an 18R-C!
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Mon, 23 September 2002 01:44
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comparing my ra28 with 18rgu to stocker 18rc's... i have HEAPS on them. i havent got mine dyno tuned yet so i dont know the power figures for sure....
yes, adding weber carbies and extractors to an 18r-c can make a difference, but nothing like adding 2 of them (twin carbie 18rg) and extractors to a twincam, free flowing head and big ported engine like the 18rg/18rgu. Talking to Rod about the 18rg/18rgu it sounds like a far beter starting point to build from... easy to apply a bit of cam and timing work to achieve a fair bit more power he says (from experience too im guessing). Its like comparing 4afe to 4age... you may as well start with 4age before you spend a cent on the fe.
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Mon, 23 September 2002 02:39
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 23 September 2002 11:32 |
| GIN51E wrote on Sun, 22 September 2002 20:42 |
i don't know about that, i have an 18-RC and its got a fair bit of go in it, i know its not the fastest thing around or anything like that but i'm happy with it,
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Sounds like you need to go for a drive in a quick car some day. I have an 18R-GEU in my RA23 and I consider that slow now, I wouldn't be able to stand it if it still had an 18R-C!
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yes i've been in fast cars before and 'd love mine to have heaps more horsepower but i'm just saying for what it is it goes pretty well and although its not a hell of a grunty motor your still able to have lots of fun with it and loose back end action.
just there are people out there like me who have to enjoy what they have as we don't have the sort of funds like some of you do to spends heaps on engine conversions ect
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Mon, 23 September 2002 03:17
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18rg shouldnt cost more than $500 dude... not much when you think about it really...
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Mon, 23 September 2002 03:24
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do i have a spare $500 ??????
and when i got this engine the guy i got it off was puting a RG into his car and he said there was no real difference between my engine and the stock RG he put in, so i don't see the point in changing engines
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Mon, 23 September 2002 03:34
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well its like you siad mate... personal preference. of course i had it easy, my car came with the 18rgu.... and there is a fair bit of difference.| Quote: |
18R-G has differnt Crank, rods, pistons, different dimension rings, differnt thrust bearings on the crank, differnt timing cover.
i think there may be a few more small internal diffeences but that all i know of for the moment.
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also i think that guy u got the engine off was full of it... 18rc just isnt in the same league as 18rg
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Mon, 23 September 2002 05:50
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well actually i don't think he is full of it, he was a Honda Mechanic and going out with my sister at the time and known him for a long time and actually seeing him this weekend to get some work done to the car, he is also the guy who showed me how to cut rust out and sprayed my car for me for free.
my engine is meant to of had a lot of work done to it 111Kw at the flywheel but the dyno doesn't show 70 odd Kw at the wheels but it was around 10 years or so from when the work was done to it "apparently" and getting the timing done this weekend which was that bad when they tried to do it it was changing by up to 10' it was that bad so i'll get this done, then get the tune done again and we will see if it did have work done to it or not.
but i'm always going to fly the flag for the Rc's i like my engine and don't plan on changing it and i'll use a little quote from Rod's sig but changed a little,
Anything more then one Cam per engine is just excess weight
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Mon, 23 September 2002 06:21
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heehee.. fair enough martin.... 
i dont think anyone could teach me how to cut the rust out of my car... would take too long, and probably end up cutting the whole car away
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Mon, 23 September 2002 06:31
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Im going to put my 2 bob in.. THe 18r-c i had in my car flew. When i bought the car for $600, the guy i bought it off pout heaps of money into the engine, like a bigger cam, weber, extractors, and WHO KNOW WHAT. And i tell u it flew. Pulling 2nds easily on the road, In the wet, it was suicide. Yeh i know there are probably better types of engines in the 18r section, but if you buy one with everything done to the engine, youll be suprised what power they have..
Painted the car meself, costing bout $500. for everything, and sold it for $2000. Not a bad way to make some money.
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Mon, 23 September 2002 08:57
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i also have higher respect for people that put time and effort into doing up a motor instead of just chucking in another one, and i reckon its better to have a "stock" motor with heaps of go people wouldn't expect it
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Mon, 23 September 2002 09:21
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ive pulled 3rds twice with my old 18R-C, did 2nds all the time, 195 rubber, single spinner rear end, and no reguard for clutch, box or diff, its not too hard to do... but that shouldnt be used to guage how good an engine is, i always thought it was a dog..
GIN5IE, i got 69kw at the wheels in my 1G-GE at the last dyno day (naturally aspirated..im sure u know engine codes but most ppl see 1G they instantly think turbo), have u got a recent dyno reading?
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Mon, 23 September 2002 10:24
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yeah like two months ago i had 50RwKw and 169RwNm
since then i've changed the plugs to colder plugs so thats made it run a bit better and this sunday doing all the timing so now they should be able to get the timing set right and then we will know if my engine has had work done to it by the results i get as my engine should be in tip top condition then and at its peak
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Mon, 23 September 2002 10:48
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sent u a PM GIN5IE.
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Mon, 23 September 2002 10:48
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ive got a ra40 celica now runnin and 18rg, but when i had the 18r-c i stuck extractors and 2inch exhaust and DGAV weber carby with a ram flow filter and electronic ignition. The best thing to do is these mods plus advance the ignition as much as ya can till it just pings then back her off a bees d*ck. And i can honestly say i beet many commodores at the lights. so long as i only had 1 passsenger and they resembled the body weight of an eitheopian. it used to peak hard all the way to valve bounce (around 7200) and no usaul probs like with tuning the twin carbies or any of that crap.
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Mon, 23 September 2002 11:58
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Pffft. I have respect for fast cars, end of story. As far as I'm concerned, the easiest possible route is always the best when it comes to making power. And most of the time that means throwing out your prehistoric lump and putting in something modern and powerful. Been there done that, I'm not throwing money at old engines any more!
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Mon, 23 September 2002 13:01
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Theye is no use "respecting" people that start of with an inferior product. It's like the old 202, this is really a piece of shit but as that was all they had so they made dothey made good power but imagine the power they would've made if the engine was decent to start with!!. Thankfully, you have an option. The 18RG has a better flowing head, is twin cam and already has aggressive cams, plus it has 2 carbs (or even better -EFI!!) You start modding an RC so you give it a cam and twin carbs and you still don't have as much as a standard RG and it'll cost more and run worse(cause that's whaty big cams tend to do) . Seems silly doesn't it?? I mean, you guys with worked RC's were prob worked by guys that didn't realise that better engines were readily available and swapping one was easier that swapping the cam.
Better yet just get a 1G! Sure they're more expensive but you can hold out!! It's worth it trust me!!!
plus, you guys saying that the RC is gutless and you couldn't stand one, you should try the 1.6 litre 2 door SWB LC torana I just got!! Fuck me it's slow!! I'm going from twin-turbo heaven to this!!!
Tim
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Mon, 23 September 2002 15:00
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I have an 18r-c powered ra28 and its a lot of fun to drive, and i love it because it is the motor the car has always had and thats just what it is. It goes alright and is a perfect get-me-round engine, but it does lack a bit compared to faster cars. I mean it is what it is tho and when you realise that it is the pov aussie version of the car it still goes alright up against the eccy's and other cars much lighter. Signle cams like twin cams have there distinctive sound and you gotta love the sound of a single cam at full peak in the drivers seat.
Mind you id love the sound of a efi twincam 2litre beast and i cant wait for an engine conversion to boost power up a little. ra28s have the looks to impress but they really need those guts to stand up for itself against the likes of a lot of newer or modded cars on the street.
It will happen soon. And there is nothing wrong with a good engine swap, it really makes an old car stand out and you can instantly picture what the engine has come from and how the properties of both cars mix. The sound of a piazza gemini running hi boost is amazing, so too is the sound of a starion chrysler lancer running carby turbo, the sound of a series5 13Bturbo in a series 2 is awesome aswell. So too is a series 4 13b in a '73 Capella RE. A nice mix of oldskool styling with newer technology can only be good.
Engine conversion are dope thats all i have too say. I guess you either got one or you dont tho... thats the way it is
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Mon, 23 September 2002 22:28
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i guess it also comes down to being different, out of everyone who has done up a celica how many have stuck with a RC engine?
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Tue, 24 September 2002 00:16
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few.... there is only so far you can go with one cam....
if u sepend the money on cams and webers for your 18r-c... imagine if you did that to the 18rg??
trust me and 18rgu with twin 45mm webers, extractors and exhausta long with complete whiteline suspension setup makes for one AWESOME ride!! its pretty quick (will beat most late model 4's) and handles bloody well.... ask Ben (Rolla Boy)
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Tue, 24 September 2002 00:47
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well i don't really care as i haven't spent any money on mods
as for handling i don't plan on upgrading i'm happy with my body roll, i have a friend with a RA23 with sports rider suspension zero body roll at all but its more loose at the back then my car and my car has heaps more power to,
my cars been on the arse of a VN all the way along the old pac and also beat a guy on a bike but it was dark he was on his L's and think he was a bit scared
but my car has lots of body roll but shocks are in good condition and it handles great never loose the back of it.
only advantage i see at the moment in doing up the suspension is it will look nicer in the turns not go any faster.
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Tue, 24 September 2002 02:09
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its more the stabiliser or "sway" bars that help avoiding body roll.... my car is only tail happy if i give it a bit too much chilly thru the turn and spin the wheels, otherwise she sticks like glue to the road and will NEVER body roll (its just impossible!!)
i too havent spent any money on my 18rgu... but on the cards is a good weber tune and eventually come camwork.
beating a VN isnt a hard thing.. they have the handling characteristics of a truck.
if you do your suspension properly (not just "sports rider suspension") then you will be surprised at the improvments it can make.
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Tue, 24 September 2002 04:06
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i looked into suspension a while back $1,100 for rally set up suspension but i'm only going to jump into that if i plan on converting it to rally spec and that depends on the type of job next year,
also i have front and rear sway bars, don't really do anything my friends only has the standard front sway bar and still not one bit of body roll,
also with all the high speed cornering and so forth i never have abnormal tyre wear either always even wear
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