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Mon, 06 September 2004 13:34
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Hello all,
First of all, I am new to the forums so uh - hi.
Anyway, Im an 18 year old female with an interest in cars. Sad to say Im not very knowledgable to be honest, but I am looking at buying my first car this next few weeks, and wondering your guys opinions on it, as Im quite excited about it 
Looking at getting a 1986 Toyota Supra MA-70.
My boyfriend (who is also a member here) has a high opinion of them himself, but just looking to get any other information or facts about them
I know you basically cant 'kill' toyotas, and so far the only problem Ive heard about is regarding the engine head gaskets..
Any other tips or hints or advice you guys could give me?
Thanks.
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Mon, 06 September 2004 13:40
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While a good car in its own right, and with very curable problems, the MA70 probably isn't the best car for a first car.
First, even the NA version has enough balls to spit you off the road sideways if you aren't used to it (not making any judgement about ability here). I'm just going on the fact that being 18 you're unlikely to have a lot of driving experience.
Secondly, you can't be looking for an economical car Supras and economical just don't go together.
Having said that, I like the idea, just make sure insurance is fine for it, and any one you get is properly checked out
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Mon, 06 September 2004 13:55
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Basically you've heard right. Head gaskets can be dicey - get a block compression test done, at the very least. Otherwise they're pretty bulletproof mechanically, although they're getting to the age now when some of the bits will quit.
They're pretty heavy on fuel, as said, but not too horrendously bad. I usually get 8-9km/l around town, and up to 10km/l in the country, which is no worse than a WRX or Falcadore V8.
If you're interested in driving it fast round corners, make sure you get a manual. Automatics and corners mix... unpredictably. If you just want to cruise, then I guess an auto would be OK.
Lastly, the MA70 was designed for the turbo engine. Don't get the NA unless you don't mind your car being nowhere near as fast as it looks (although still not embarrassing, a bit faster than a new 3L Camry in a straight line). Sure, even the NA can get you sideways if you mess up (and the Turbo can get you in all sorts of trouble but take it easy until you're used to it, and you should have no problem. The MA70 is a very forgiving chassis - basically any situation you get it into that is physically recoverable, just let go of everything and let the car sort itself out. You have to be pretty determined to actually spin it (I've only done so about four times, in over three years of adventurous driving, and one of those involved the handbrake so it doesn't count. 
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Mon, 06 September 2004 14:02
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Thanks all of you for the advice so far.
The head gaskets are the first things thats are going and get replaced.
As for economical reasons, Yeah I know they arent the cheapest to run, and insurance for me and this car is an absolute PAIN, but I love Toyota Supra's and quite honestly Im more then prepared to shell out the cash for it 
As for the turbo - no way. Down the track yes, but for my first car Im not even considering it, let alone the insurance would go up more then it already is, so yes NA. I dont plan on pushing it too hard, though these are usually the famous last words arent they  And as for Automatics - no way, I want a manual and thats what Ill get
Thanks again guys
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Tue, 07 September 2004 00:01
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mines an auto NA and surprises me when i give it some.
yeah Comprehensive insurance is about $3000/ year for either my ma61 or ma70 in my name, and i am 20.
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id suspect that most people would say just go 3pp .. i cant get comprehensive insurance on my soarer
ma70's are awesome cars, just a bit heavy. if you plan to get a turbo one of same car later id suggest getting it now and leaving it stock.. it really doesent take long to get used to power.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 01:24
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| Jag7799 wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 10:01 |
| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 00:47 |
mines an auto NA and surprises me when i give it some.
yeah Comprehensive insurance is about $3000/ year for either my ma61 or ma70 in my name, and i am 20.
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id suspect that most people would say just go 3pp .. i cant get comprehensive insurance on my soarer
ma70's are awesome cars, just a bit heavy. if you plan to get a turbo one of same car later id suggest getting it now and leaving it stock.. it really doesent take long to get used to power.
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I was driving a 5me ma61 when i was 16 and i thought that went well! Well, it did beat my mates barina wuite convincingly..and did nice u-turn fishtails
But i think, at 18, even a STOCK 7mgte will frighten the shit out of her - especially manual. And there wouldnt be many stock boost and stock motor 7ms around anymore i wouldnt think!
Just my opinion...
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Tue, 07 September 2004 01:43
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Basically you've heard right. Head gaskets can be dicey - get a block compression test done, at the very least. Otherwise they're pretty bulletproof mechanically, although they're getting to the age now when some of the bits will quit.
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yeah even on the NA the HGs seem to go, no matter what.. they just do! If you can find one which has had it replaced (with receipts) and torqued down a little harder you will have yourself a very nice tough engine
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Tue, 07 September 2004 02:07
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 11:24 |
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 00:47 |
mines an auto NA and surprises me when i give it some.
yeah Comprehensive insurance is about $3000/ year for either my ma61 or ma70 in my name, and i am 20.
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id suspect that most people would say just go 3pp .. i cant get comprehensive insurance on my soarer
ma70's are awesome cars, just a bit heavy. if you plan to get a turbo one of same car later id suggest getting it now and leaving it stock.. it really doesent take long to get used to power.
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I was driving a 5me ma61 when i was 16 and i thought that went well! Well, it did beat my mates barina wuite convincingly..and did nice u-turn fishtails
But i think, at 18, even a STOCK 7mgte will frighten the shit out of her - especially manual. And there wouldnt be many stock boost and stock motor 7ms around anymore i wouldnt think!
Just my opinion...
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yes.. but the power only scared you for a little while.. like with my 1jz... i was SHIT scared of it 1st time i drove it.. foot shaking on a clutch
took me about 2-3 weeks to get fully used to it.. and now want more power.. it would save money to buy a turbo one straight away.. remember u dont HAVE to use all its power.. its all related to how much u depress the throttle..
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Tue, 07 September 2004 02:56
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Aight, This is one of thw Supra's Im looking at getting (there's a few around at the moment, but this is looking the best so far, Im going to check it out this afternoon):
TOYOTA SUPRA 1986, silver, 3.0ltr 5spd manual, climate control, cruise control, electric windows, remote central locking, alarm, 10 stack CD, 16 inch Auscar mags, lowered, 12 months rego, Immaculate inside and out, Ex Cond -$6500
Im withdrawing about 15 grand (cash) with any luck. With that we first fix the Head Gaskets Then most likely "upgrade" the breaks, perhaps even the exhaust. The suspensions already been adjusted so yeah
And eventually a bit down the track, swap in a 1jz engine
You guys are right though on the advice re turbo re the fact it would probably scare the crap out of me. I dont have much driving experience to be quite truthful, and for a first car I dont think we want things to go TOO fast do we
NRMA insurance is the cheapest Ive found, costing me $3,300.00 for full comprehensive.
Oh by the way, Does anyone know the price 'range' Im looking at for putting in new head gaskets? The boys I know could probably do it, so that saves the labour, just the actual price of the gaskets themselves... Im trying to work out some kind of budget heh. Let alone the fact Im not going to get to change the color for a while *sniff* heh.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 02:58
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 12:56 |
Aight, This is one of thw Supra's Im looking at getting (there's a few around at the moment, but this is looking the best so far, Im going to check it out this afternoon):
TOYOTA SUPRA 1986, silver, 3.0ltr 5spd manual, climate control, cruise control, electric windows, remote central locking, alarm, 10 stack CD, 16 inch Auscar mags, lowered, 12 months rego, Immaculate inside and out, Ex Cond -$6500
Im withdrawing about 15 grand (cash) with any luck. With that we first fix the Head Gaskets Then most likely "upgrade" the breaks, perhaps even the exhaust. The suspensions already been adjusted so yeah
And eventually a bit down the track, swap in a 1jz engine
You guys are right though on the advice re turbo re the fact it would probably scare the crap out of me. I dont have much driving experience to be quite truthful, and for a first car I dont think we want things to go TOO fast do we
NRMA insurance is the cheapest Ive found, costing me $3,300.00 for full comprehensive.
Oh by the way, Does anyone know the price 'range' Im looking at for putting in new head gaskets? The boys I know could probably do it, so that saves the labour, just the actual price of the gaskets themselves... Im trying to work out some kind of budget heh. Let alone the fact Im not going to get to change the color for a while *sniff* heh.
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You wont need to upgrade the brakes believe me. Have you seen how big they are?
Edit: Be prepared for $2400 for a COMPLETE rebuild. Then you wont be dissapointed.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 03:19
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 12:56 |
Aight, This is one of thw Supra's Im looking at getting (there's a few around at the moment, but this is looking the best so far, Im going to check it out this afternoon):
TOYOTA SUPRA 1986, silver, 3.0ltr 5spd manual, climate control, cruise control, electric windows, remote central locking, alarm, 10 stack CD, 16 inch Auscar mags, lowered, 12 months rego, Immaculate inside and out, Ex Cond -$6500
Im withdrawing about 15 grand (cash) with any luck. With that we first fix the Head Gaskets Then most likely "upgrade" the breaks, perhaps even the exhaust. The suspensions already been adjusted so yeah
And eventually a bit down the track, swap in a 1jz engine
You guys are right though on the advice re turbo re the fact it would probably scare the crap out of me. I dont have much driving experience to be quite truthful, and for a first car I dont think we want things to go TOO fast do we
NRMA insurance is the cheapest Ive found, costing me $3,300.00 for full comprehensive.
Oh by the way, Does anyone know the price 'range' Im looking at for putting in new head gaskets? The boys I know could probably do it, so that saves the labour, just the actual price of the gaskets themselves... Im trying to work out some kind of budget heh. Let alone the fact Im not going to get to change the color for a while *sniff* heh.
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if your going to throw in a 1jz why not start with as jza70 to start with...
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Tue, 07 September 2004 03:51
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Im impatient would be one reason. I havent come across any MA-70 Supras so far with that engine already in it.
Im really just looking at the 1jz engine swap for down the track, long long down the track.
This may seem a silly question, but why not upgrade the breaks? Yes I trust toyota completely, but im being told two different things here. BF wants to replace them with sports ones - re the pads getting hot and releasing gas and stuff like that. I cant remember the details he said though :/
Whats your opinion regarding the breaks?
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Tue, 07 September 2004 04:01
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 13:51 |
Im impatient would be one reason. I havent come across any MA-70 Supras so far with that engine already in it.
Im really just looking at the 1jz engine swap for down the track, long long down the track.
This may seem a silly question, but why not upgrade the breaks? Yes I trust toyota completely, but im being told two different things here. BF wants to replace them with sports ones - re the pads getting hot and releasing gas and stuff like that. I cant remember the details he said though :/
Whats your opinion regarding the breaks?
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regarding the brakes, new fluid and decent pads should do.. and machining the discs if they are shitty... you wont really need any more until u get SERIOUS
not ma70's with 1jz's.. an actual jza70.. import one.. and they are sold here "reguarly"
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Tue, 07 September 2004 04:04
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The brakes (as they're actually spelt ) on an MA70 are OK, provided you have a decent set of brake pads in them. Sure you could go and get slotted rotors but it wouldn't be necessary for everyday driving. I had a 1jz ma70 and with good pads you could do quite a few stops from high speed with no fading. Boyfriend is kind of on the right track for the average family sedan, but the Supra's were equipped with a good set of brakes.
I wouldn't be wasting $3,300 on insurance for it though - what a rip-off! Try another insurer or wait until you are older and the insurance less costly. Plus MA70's are great, but 1986 is an old car so be prepared to spend a bit of money maintaining it. ANd parts aren't exactly cheap. Not a great first car option by any stretch of the imagination.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 04:06
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| lumpy wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 14:04 |
The brakes (as they're actually spelt ) on an MA70 are OK, provided you have a decent set of brake pads in them. Sure you could go and get slotted rotors but it wouldn't be necessary for everyday driving. I had a 1jz ma70 and with good pads you could do quite a few stops from high speed with no fading. Boyfriend is kind of on the right track for the average family sedan, but the Supra's were equipped with a good set of brakes.
I wouldn't be wasting $3,300 on insurance for it though - what a rip-off! Try another insurer or wait until you are older and the insurance less costly. Plus MA70's are great, but 1986 is an old car so be prepared to spend a bit of money maintaining it. ANd parts aren't exactly cheap. Not a great first car option by any stretch of the imagination.
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but a great car
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Tue, 07 September 2004 04:25
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blake why are u so adamant that the engine will need a quote "COMPLETE" rebuild?
how do u know it will need a COMPLETE rebuild?
why do u so much want her to spend $2400 for a COMPLETE rebuild?
doing the head gasket does not require a COMPLETE rebuild.
secondly, and this goes out to most of the posters in the thread:
do u even know this woman? how do u know a 7M-GE supra will be "too much car" for her?
i mean seriously, shes 18 so u specifically think she cannot handle a MA70.
How can u prove this?
perhaps shes grown up racing go-karts and is a better driver than all of you. you cannot prove this SO WHY MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THIS?
Pull your head in guys, this is a piss poor effort.
Sol_Supra a non-turbo MA70 will be fine. like all cars dont drive like a maniac and you'll be fine. These cars are easy to drive and handle well.
if you need some good info on getting the head gasket done feel free to talk to allan or ed_ma61 on the forums they should be able to point u in the right direction on what to tell your mechanic.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 05:36
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What he said.
I agree with the earlier comments as well, this is not a good first car. They're expensive to insure and expensive to maintain (just ask anyone who's owned one for a while), which would be ok if it was a rocketship but in reality it will have problems outperforming a VN Commodore (not that I think a VN is a better car by any means, but you get the idea).
Having said that, it's your money and your decision, so if you really want a Supra go ahead and buy one. You could do a lot worse!
FWIW the previous generation Supra (84/85/early 86) is a lot cheaper to buy, insure and maintain, but IMO is just as cool. Food for thought.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 05:48
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 12:26 |
And eventually a bit down the track, swap in a 1jz engine
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You are gonna fit it quite nicely here methinks...
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your supra, youll have a blast!
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Tue, 07 September 2004 09:14
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just unsubscribing to this thread
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secondly, and this goes out to most of the posters in the thread:
do u even know this woman? how do u know a 7M-GE supra will be "too much car" for her?
i mean seriously, shes 18 so u specifically think she cannot handle a MA70.
How can u prove this?
perhaps shes grown up racing go-karts and is a better driver than all of you. you cannot prove this SO WHY MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THIS?
Pull your head in guys, this is a piss poor effort.
Sol_Supra a non-turbo MA70 will be fine. like all cars dont drive like a maniac and you'll be fine. These cars are easy to drive and handle well.
if you need some good info on getting the head gasket done feel free to talk to allan or ed_ma61 on the forums they should be able to point u in the right direction on what to tell your mechanic.
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I had to giggle and smile at this - thanks
Ill be honest I dont have much experience or knowledge, yet it is never too late to learn. I do like to think though that Im not some ditzy blonde chick that doesnt know shite.
Ofcourse Im going for non-turbo, Im not even considering it at this stage, later yes, now no. Swapping the 1jz into it is also for down the track not now. I may have my maniac driving moments, but not all that much - I intend to keep this car in top nick.
The one I looked at today which Im reeeally keen on had its engine rebuilt 3 and a half years ago too. Also had the diff rebuilt 5 years ago. Again the specs are:
TOYOTA SUPRA 1986, silver, 3.0ltr 5spd manual, climate control, cruise control, electric windows, remote central locking, alarm, 10 stack CD, 16 inch Auscar mags, lowered, 12 months rego, Immaculate inside and out, Ex Cond. $6.5 grand
Was very nice car and in wonderful condition. The only thing that concerns myself and my BF is there is are two spots of rust around the front windscreen surround. I have a friend thats in panel beating so im looking at him, but might anyone know the price to get this fixed *professionally* just so I atleast have something to budget by if need be?
Also be looking at replacing the head gaskets when I get it, does anyone have any ideas on pricing regarding that? Help appreciated.
And yes, I always love go-kart racing as a kid, and all my friends are heavily into car mechanics. As for my parents? err no. My mother owns a shitty ford capri which is falling apart more each day now, and my step-father owns a holden commodore (meh) so yeah.
Anyway, help appreciated and thanks for the comments and advice so far
And thanks for the welcome
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Tue, 07 September 2004 10:22
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 20:17 |
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secondly, and this goes out to most of the posters in the thread:
do u even know this woman? how do u know a 7M-GE supra will be "too much car" for her?
i mean seriously, shes 18 so u specifically think she cannot handle a MA70.
How can u prove this?
perhaps shes grown up racing go-karts and is a better driver than all of you. you cannot prove this SO WHY MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THIS?
Pull your head in guys, this is a piss poor effort.
Sol_Supra a non-turbo MA70 will be fine. like all cars dont drive like a maniac and you'll be fine. These cars are easy to drive and handle well.
if you need some good info on getting the head gasket done feel free to talk to allan or ed_ma61 on the forums they should be able to point u in the right direction on what to tell your mechanic.
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I had to giggle and smile at this - thanks
Ill be honest I dont have much experience or knowledge, yet it is never too late to learn. I do like to think though that Im not some ditzy blonde chick that doesnt know shite.
Ofcourse Im going for non-turbo, Im not even considering it at this stage, later yes, now no. Swapping the 1jz into it is also for down the track not now. I may have my maniac driving moments, but not all that much - I intend to keep this car in top nick.
The one I looked at today which Im reeeally keen on had its engine rebuilt 3 and a half years ago too. Also had the diff rebuilt 5 years ago. Again the specs are:
TOYOTA SUPRA 1986, silver, 3.0ltr 5spd manual, climate control, cruise control, electric windows, remote central locking, alarm, 10 stack CD, 16 inch Auscar mags, lowered, 12 months rego, Immaculate inside and out, Ex Cond. $6.5 grand
Was very nice car and in wonderful condition. The only thing that concerns myself and my BF is there is are two spots of rust around the front windscreen surround. I have a friend thats in panel beating so im looking at him, but might anyone know the price to get this fixed *professionally* just so I atleast have something to budget by if need be?
Also be looking at replacing the head gaskets when I get it, does anyone have any ideas on pricing regarding that? Help appreciated.
And yes, I always love go-kart racing as a kid, and all my friends are heavily into car mechanics. As for my parents? err no. My mother owns a shitty ford capri which is falling apart more each day now, and my step-father owns a holden commodore (meh) so yeah.
Anyway, help appreciated and thanks for the comments and advice so far
And thanks for the welcome
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if its been rebuilt.. properly... id assume the ehad gasket has already been done
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Tue, 07 September 2004 10:41
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He replaced the head gasket with a standard, not metal head gasket..
So Ill be replacing them first if I get that particular car.
Im looking at another one tomorrow thats been recondinitioned and stuff with less k's, and some slightly different specs, so we'll see.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 11:19
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 20:41 |
He replaced the head gasket with a standard, not metal head gasket..
So Ill be replacing them first if I get that particular car.
Im looking at another one tomorrow thats been recondinitioned and stuff with less k's, and some slightly different specs, so we'll see.
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a std one will be fine as long as it is torqued to the right ammount
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Tue, 07 September 2004 12:28
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Any idea on pricing re my rust queries?
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Tue, 07 September 2004 12:37
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 22:28 |
Any idea on pricing re my rust queries?
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its very hard to give an estimate without more info...
how big is the rust? does it go right under the windscreen? do you want i welded or bogged up?
ill take a stab and say with windscreen pulling and cutting out small patches...maybe $600?
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Any idea on pricing re my rust queries?
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its very hard to give an estimate without more info...
how big is the rust? does it go right under the windscreen? do you want i welded or bogged up?
ill take a stab and say with windscreen pulling and cutting out small patches...maybe $600?
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also depends how u want paint fixed up
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 20:41 |
He replaced the head gasket with a standard, not metal head gasket..
So Ill be replacing them first if I get that particular car.
Im looking at another one tomorrow thats been recondinitioned and stuff with less k's, and some slightly different specs, so we'll see.
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but, i wouldnt replace it until it blows. you're just prelonging the inevitable. save your money.
For a Head gasket replacement, you shouldnt need to spend more than $1000 unless the head is shagged.
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Tue, 07 September 2004 17:36
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The car has 228,787 ks on it, but the engine was rebuilt 3 and a half years ago along with the diff, so Im thinkin that might help it a lot - would I be right? Hence the not so much need for a complete rebuild? Or am I wrong..
Re the rust, we havent got RACQ to do a check on it yet, but from what we've looked at the only two spots of rust are yes - above the front windscreen, for memory regarding the 'size' probably not much bigger then a car key, but there are two spots.
From what the BF has said so far, the way to go would be popping out the windscreen, grinding it down and then respraying the paint. He's estimated about 2 grand to allow for it - Im not sure about it at all.
Im still really leaning toward getting this car though, Im prepared to shell out the cash for fix ups, and the interior and exterior (aside from rust) is kept -immaculate-. The specs are posted in earlier posts so I wont repeat them again, but yeah.
BUt really the only two problems atm is the rust and there's also a bit of smokey exhaust (engine problem) though its hardly noticeable..
Below is a "report" the BF did up:
REPORT: 1) build date:- 05/86
2) engine rebuilt 3 1/2 years ago
3) diff rebuilt 5 years ago
4) Vic plates
5) Vic rego until 07/07/05
6) slight rust around front windscreen
7) front brake pads require replacement
 RACQ inspection pending
(Vig rego and plates is in there because Im in Queensland, hence Ill need to change that).
We've tried to do up a further report regarding my budget (roughly 15 grand), but to be honest I havent explored the pricing options on some things yet.
BTW - how much is stamp duty? Isnt it like 2% of the purchase price?...
Cost of Vehicle: $6,500
Replace Head Gaskets (Including Machining): Allow $1000
Removal of Rust (Panel Beating): Allow $2000
Upgrade of Brakes: $500
Insurance through NRMA (the cheapest I could find): $3,300 full comprehensive
Registration (For QUEENSLAND): Allow $600
Piston Ring Kit: $500
RACQ Vehicle Inspection: $200
Personal Funds: $400
Stamp Duty: ..
Comments please? Im querying just about everything
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 03:36 |
The car has 228,787 ks on it, but the engine was rebuilt 3 and a half years ago along with the diff, so Im thinkin that might help it a lot - would I be right? Hence the not so much need for a complete rebuild? Or am I wrong..
Re the rust, we havent got RACQ to do a check on it yet, but from what we've looked at the only two spots of rust are yes - above the front windscreen, for memory regarding the 'size' probably not much bigger then a car key, but there are two spots.
From what the BF has said so far, the way to go would be popping out the windscreen, grinding it down and then respraying the paint. He's estimated about 2 grand to allow for it - Im not sure about it at all.
Im still really leaning toward getting this car though, Im prepared to shell out the cash for fix ups, and the interior and exterior (aside from rust) is kept -immaculate-. The specs are posted in earlier posts so I wont repeat them again, but yeah.
BUt really the only two problems atm is the rust and there's also a bit of smokey exhaust (engine problem) though its hardly noticeable..
Below is a "report" the BF did up:
REPORT: 1) build date:- 05/86
2) engine rebuilt 3 1/2 years ago
3) diff rebuilt 5 years ago
4) Vic plates
5) Vic rego until 07/07/05
6) slight rust around front windscreen
7) front brake pads require replacement
RACQ inspection pending
(Vig rego and plates is in there because Im in Queensland, hence Ill need to change that).
We've tried to do up a further report regarding my budget (roughly 15 grand), but to be honest I havent explored the pricing options on some things yet.
BTW - how much is stamp duty? Isnt it like 2% of the purchase price?...
Cost of Vehicle: $6,500
Replace Head Gaskets (Including Machining): Allow $1000
Removal of Rust (Panel Beating): Allow $2000
Upgrade of Brakes: $500
Insurance through NRMA (the cheapest I could find): $3,300 full comprehensive
Registration (For QUEENSLAND): Allow $600
Piston Ring Kit: $500
RACQ Vehicle Inspection: $200
Personal Funds: $400
Stamp Duty: ..
Comments please? Im querying just about everything
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who exactly is your boyfriend..
there is a guy in qld who does rust(goes by airtite rust services.. he looks seedy but does good work)
he works on a quota of 300 a day and it would probably only taken him a day... 2 max to fix the rust.. and then a max of a few hundred to get the parts sorta matched paint wise.. so i would say if your over a grand for the rust your being ripped off.
for brakes all if all you need is pads your only looking at around 50 bucks. if your planning to do both pads.. bleed old fluid and put in new fluid AND get all discs machined.. you might come in at still under 500 bucks...
fuck off full comprehensive.. its not worth it.. in 2 yrs time you could have bought another supra.. go 3rd party property, fire and theft seems your in qld.. that covers you if you hit someone, if it gets stolen or set of fire.. also covers all accident cost(damaging property etc).. the only thing it doesent cover is if you smash someone else, so provided u dont tailgate and done drive like a dickhead all the time its not REALLY needed. so thats 600 a year or so, saving of 2700 dollars there.
what type of smoke?.. if the engine was rebuilt properly 3 yrs ago there is no reason you should need to rebuild it at all...if the smoke is black just check that its not running rich!. shouldnt need to do head gasket either if it was retorqued properly.
so i work out ur budget like this
Cost of Vehicle: $6,500
Removal of Rust (Panel Beating): Allow $1000
replace of brake pads:$50 (tentative full work over $500)
3pp fire and theft insurance $600
Registration. for a year $ 750
RACQ inspection $200
Personal funds $5900
that way u have plenty of money to fix all the little problems and things u wanna fix over the next year or so to it.. and some money for alcohol ofcourse
Theres no point fixing stuff that doesent need it.
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 03:36 |
The car has 228,787 ks on it, but the engine was rebuilt 3 and a half years ago along with the diff, so Im thinkin that might help it a lot - would I be right? Hence the not so much need for a complete rebuild? Or am I wrong..
Re the rust, we havent got RACQ to do a check on it yet, but from what we've looked at the only two spots of rust are yes - above the front windscreen, for memory regarding the 'size' probably not much bigger then a car key, but there are two spots.
From what the BF has said so far, the way to go would be popping out the windscreen, grinding it down and then respraying the paint. He's estimated about 2 grand to allow for it - Im not sure about it at all.
Im still really leaning toward getting this car though, Im prepared to shell out the cash for fix ups, and the interior and exterior (aside from rust) is kept -immaculate-. The specs are posted in earlier posts so I wont repeat them again, but yeah.
BUt really the only two problems atm is the rust and there's also a bit of smokey exhaust (engine problem) though its hardly noticeable..
Below is a "report" the BF did up:
REPORT: 1) build date:- 05/86
2) engine rebuilt 3 1/2 years ago
3) diff rebuilt 5 years ago
4) Vic plates
5) Vic rego until 07/07/05
6) slight rust around front windscreen
7) front brake pads require replacement
RACQ inspection pending
(Vig rego and plates is in there because Im in Queensland, hence Ill need to change that).
We've tried to do up a further report regarding my budget (roughly 15 grand), but to be honest I havent explored the pricing options on some things yet.
BTW - how much is stamp duty? Isnt it like 2% of the purchase price?...
Cost of Vehicle: $6,500
Replace Head Gaskets (Including Machining): Allow $1000
Removal of Rust (Panel Beating): Allow $2000
Upgrade of Brakes: $500
Insurance through NRMA (the cheapest I could find): $3,300 full comprehensive
Registration (For QUEENSLAND): Allow $600
Piston Ring Kit: $500
RACQ Vehicle Inspection: $200
Personal Funds: $400
Stamp Duty: ..
Comments please? Im querying just about everything
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you are correct. You shouldnt need to touch the motor at all unless its playing up!
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me thinks
seriously people instead of bitching about each others posting habits why dont you just congratulate the girl on her new purchase and give her advice on the car ONLY not complain about each other!
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I havent purchased it.... yet
Just trying to do research and get advice/opinions so Im not ripped off
And re the moke - its a light grey. There's not all that much and it doesnt worry the BF greatly.
Re the rust - 2 grand was a rough estimate including a "buffer" amount type thing, just to make sure we have enough to completely cover it.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 08:50 |
fuck off full comprehensive.. its not worth it.. in 2 yrs time you could have bought another supra.. go 3rd party property, fire and theft seems your in qld.. that covers you if you hit someone, if it gets stolen or set of fire.. also covers all accident cost(damaging property etc).. the only thing it doesent cover is if you smash someone else, so provided u dont tailgate and done drive like a dickhead all the time its not REALLY needed. so thats 600 a year or so, saving of 2700 dollars there.
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I think you will find that 3rd party property, if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident with another car (say an expensive BMW or Merc), will pay for the damages to that car (your car however will not be repaired. This is good, as it prevents you having to spend the rest of you life working to repay the money that was needed to repair someones BMW if things go pear shaped!
Cheers
Wilbo
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| wilbo666 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 13:20 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 08:50 |
fuck off full comprehensive.. its not worth it.. in 2 yrs time you could have bought another supra.. go 3rd party property, fire and theft seems your in qld.. that covers you if you hit someone, if it gets stolen or set of fire.. also covers all accident cost(damaging property etc).. the only thing it doesent cover is if you smash someone else, so provided u dont tailgate and done drive like a dickhead all the time its not REALLY needed. so thats 600 a year or so, saving of 2700 dollars there.
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I think you will find that 3rd party property, if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident with another car (say an expensive BMW or Merc), will pay for the damages to that car (your car however will not be repaired. This is good, as it prevents you having to spend the rest of you life working to repay the money that was needed to repair someones BMW if things go pear shaped!
Cheers
Wilbo
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that is correct. it ONLY covers the other cars problems. Yours is your own cah out of pocket. Then you have a huge MOFO excess anyway.
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 13:45 |
| wilbo666 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 13:20 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 08:50 |
fuck off full comprehensive.. its not worth it.. in 2 yrs time you could have bought another supra.. go 3rd party property, fire and theft seems your in qld.. that covers you if you hit someone, if it gets stolen or set of fire.. also covers all accident cost(damaging property etc).. the only thing it doesent cover is if you smash someone else, so provided u dont tailgate and done drive like a dickhead all the time its not REALLY needed. so thats 600 a year or so, saving of 2700 dollars there.
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I think you will find that 3rd party property, if you are unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident with another car (say an expensive BMW or Merc), will pay for the damages to that car (your car however will not be repaired. This is good, as it prevents you having to spend the rest of you life working to repay the money that was needed to repair someones BMW if things go pear shaped!
Cheers
Wilbo
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that is correct. it ONLY covers the other cars problems. Yours is your own cah out of pocket. Then you have a huge MOFO excess anyway.
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not sure about other 3pp policies, but i know mine does allow a 3 grand cover on my car if an uninsured motorist hits me.
(unisured motorists extension?)
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Wed, 08 September 2004 04:18
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theres two types of third party
third party property - insures the other vehicles
third party property fire and theft - insures your car up to a certain value if its stolen and not recovered or if its burnt.
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 14:18 |
theres two types of third party
third party property - insures the other vehicles
third party property fire and theft - insures your car up to a certain value if its stolen and not recovered or if its burnt.
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uhhh no..
its 3rd part property PLUS fire and thjeft
hence why it costs an extra 300 bucks over normal 3pp
it covers any cars you hit(generally your car up to 3 grand or so if hit by uninsured motorist as said before), covers you also against fire and theft.
Wilbo: thats what i said, it will cover you(your expenses on the other car) if you hit them, not your own.. but if you dont drive like a retard its not too much to worry about.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 14:46 |
| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 14:18 |
theres two types of third party
third party property - insures the other vehicles
third party property fire and theft - insures your car up to a certain value if its stolen and not recovered or if its burnt.
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uhhh no..
its 3rd part property PLUS fire and thjeft
hence why it costs an extra 300 bucks over normal 3pp
it covers any cars you hit(generally your car up to 3 grand or so if hit by uninsured motorist as said before), covers you also against fire and theft.
Wilbo: thats what i said, it will cover you(your expenses on the other car) if you hit them, not your own.. but if you dont drive like a retard its not too much to worry about.
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thats exactly what i said. The type of insurance is called "THIRD PARTY PROPERTY FIRE AND THEFT" it covers everything third part does, but for the extra $ it covers you for fire and theft of your vehicle.
And the extra amount i just paid for the fire and theft, is $60 more. $283 for fire and theft, $223 for 3pp.
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| wilbo666 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 18:00 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 08:50 |
fuck off full comprehensive.. its not worth it.. in 2 yrs time you could have bought another supra.. go 3rd party property, fire and theft seems your in qld.. that covers you if you hit someone, if it gets stolen or set of fire.. also covers all accident cost(damaging property etc).. the only thing it doesent cover is if you smash someone else , so provided u dont tailgate and done drive like a dickhead all the time its not REALLY needed. so thats 600 a year or so, saving of 2700 dollars there.
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I think that could be miss interpreted.
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 08:50 |
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some people might like to include the cost of the damage to their car as part of the accident cost. Just trying to avoid any confusion that could eventuate.
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it made sense when i wrote it
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Just for future reference, how much does a head gasket replacement cost? Metal or otherwise..
thanks guys again
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 21:04 |
Just for future reference, how much does a head gasket replacement cost? Metal or otherwise..
thanks guys again
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About $1000 is the normal repair bill. thats for a genuine toyota copper one.
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Wed, 08 September 2004 11:42
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Is that $1000 to get it done by a mechanic or DIY ?
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| Sol_Supra wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 21:42 |
Is that $1000 to get it done by a mechanic or DIY ?
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mechanic. Depending how bad your head is of course. if its corroded and needs welding it could be more.
If everything is ok, it shouldnt set you back more than $6-800
Why are you worried anyway? Doesnt it run fine?
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Wed, 08 September 2004 11:57
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 21:48 |
| Sol_Supra wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 21:42 |
Is that $1000 to get it done by a mechanic or DIY ?
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mechanic. Depending how bad your head is of course. if its corroded and needs welding it could be more.
If everything is ok, it shouldnt set you back more than $6-800
Why are you worried anyway? Doesnt it run fine?
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Cheers. I'm just working out the costs of any problems that might come down the track.
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Just on a note with insurance on a Turbo model. While the NRMA website will actually give you a quote for you as the main driver, or a listed driver, when you speak to them on the phone you will find out that they will not insure a turbo car with a driver under 29.
My 2.0L does 10L/100K's in city traffic and about 8L's/100 on the freeways. So I reckon a 3.0L doing 10L/100K's isn't too bad.
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| Alchemist wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 22:52 |
Just on a note with insurance on a Turbo model. While the NRMA website will actually give you a quote for you as the main driver, or a listed driver, when you speak to them on the phone you will find out that they will not insure a turbo car with a driver under 29.
My 2.0L does 10L/100K's in city traffic and about 8L's/100 on the freeways. So I reckon a 3.0L doing 10L/100K's isn't too bad.
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 21:10 |
About $1000 is the normal repair bill. thats for a genuine toyota copper one.
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I think you'll find that the stock head gasket isn't copper
(copper head gaskets in general require O-ringing). I think its more likely a metal and fiber type (at a guess)?
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$1k for a head gasket fix is cheap. When mine gave up the ghost (three months after purchase, ouch) I was quoted around $1500 to do the job. The genuine Toyota gasket kit ALONE costs $600-$800 (can't remember, that was three years ago). Add to that the mechanic's time (5 hrs, $50/hr at most shops) and re-machining the head (talking through my hat here but I think it'll need machining if the BHG was caused by head warpage due to overheating, seems to be the way they go). In the end I got a low-K import motor, but in hindsight probably a ground-up rebuild would have been better, simply because that way I'd know what components were used.
As for insurance, the Supra is a tough enough car that you're not going to bend it much unless you hit something pretty hard. I'd recommend just 3pp (in WA you can't insure a car for 3rd party fire+theft if it's over about $5k). Low speed accidents with modern cars will just bend the other car and leave your supra untouched, so unless you cock it up in a *big* way you'll be OK. All it requires is some self restraint when using the happy pedal.
Oh - last thing: The stock brakes are OK but you'll want good pads. I've got schlock brake pads on mine and on one occasion I actually had white smoke coming out of the front pads after some spirited downhill driving.
[edit: the motor needed a rebuild because the motor had done 250k kms and was bollixed, not just because of the BHG. The rings were pretty iffy and the head gasket had been leaking coolant into cylinder 6 for a while, corroding it quite badly. Hopefully you won't have anything like as bad a surprise. Oh, and the genuine toyota head gasket is not metal. dunno what it is though - fibre?]
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just quickly, we have found that machining head AND block is the best thing to do.
we found from eds engine that the deck on the 7M's get undulated. This is why some people have dramas even after they replace HG.
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Thu, 09 September 2004 16:10 |
just quickly, we have found that machining head AND block is the best thing to do.
we found from eds engine that the deck on the 7M's get undulated. This is why some people have dramas even after they replace HG.
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So how much will that cost, roughly anyway, do ya think?
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get a crown.
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another nomination for "thread of the year" 
- buy something you can afford, that you can use NOW, without budgeting a squillion dollars to fix it before you even own it... it's your first car! i'm not saying it shouldn't be something you like, though! (and make sure it's RWD)
- or better yet, buy something you can crash... not because you are going to, but because you might... it's your first car!
- if you find that after some time driving, you want more power, then look into an engine conversion or mods... if you start frightening yourself with some late braking, then work on a brake uprgade. what i'm saying here is, get to know your own car. that way, you'll learn a lot more than the average bodykit test-pilot. and what you learn will be relevant to every car you own in your motoring future.
- even better than people who can do work for you, are people who can teach you to do the work yourself! if you're really keen, then get your hands dirty... get your mates involved. as i said above, what you learn will be relevant to every car you own in your motoring future. and females make excellent mechanics... attention to detail, they clean things properly, they don't over-tighten things, and you'll be better equipped to deal with dickheads who think they know how you should run your car. bonus!
- disregard everything said by anyone who tells you something 'has too much power'. this is about as rude and condescending as it gets. how you use it is up to you... you are every bit as capable as any male the same age, and far more realistic about your experience than most. it comes down to how you like to drive.
although... my first love flogged the rings out of my car from the first day she drove it. big blonde hair and beautiful green eyes... "how much damage could she do?" i thought... i sat in stunned silence for most of the short trip. when she saw the expression i was trying to keep off my face, her oh-so-innocent explaination was, "dad told me i should always rev it out."
*sigh*  what a woman! 
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