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Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 09:38
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Hey guys,
I have recently bought a Mk 3 TT Supra, actually still yet to take delivery!!
I will be changing the brakes and oil etc etc.
Just wondering did all the early Supra's, ie Mk 1, 2, 3 have the same brakes, or were their any different? Also what brake pads to people recommend??
Cheers, Jon
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 09:55
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Uh no, the Mk1/2/3 had totally different brakes. Get pads for a Mk3 MA70/MA71 and you'll be fine.
Personally I recommend EBC pads... not cheap but work extremely well.
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Location:
Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 10:33
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I've got JZA70 vented disks, with EBC Green stuff pads, they're great. Don't need any more unless your doing some serious racing, and if you do do serious racing you wouldn't be asking here.
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Location:
Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 10:51
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ummm i dunno about the brake for the supra but bendix ultimate brake are very good brakes, i have them on my celica how ever they do come with the warning additional brake dust and rotor wear, but the car does pull up alot quicker with them on. its all depends how you drive it to weather you think they are worth it, my brake pads cost me $125 for the front set, supra ones i think would probably be much bigger and more expensive, the cheaper ones for the celica are about $50-$60.
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 11:37
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Ive been recommended to use either Bendix Advance or Ultimate, Ultimate of course being the better of the two...Basically it will be a daily driver 5 days a week and a cruiser for the weekend, so want something that will pull me up in the hills 
big JON
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 12:10
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go the ultimates if you are willing to pay for them and live with the concequence that got with them, they are an added safety to daily driving and pleanty of fun in the mountains
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 13:01
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Bendix is the McDonalds of the brake pad world. It does the job, but seriously, you can do HEAPS better.
If you think Bendix Ultimates are good, you'll be amazed if you ever try EBC's!
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 13:44
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| big JON wrote on Tue, 07 September 2004 21:37 |
Ive been recommended to use either Bendix Advance or Ultimate, Ultimate of course being the better of the two...Basically it will be a daily driver 5 days a week and a cruiser for the weekend, so want something that will pull me up in the hills
big JON
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Have you actually seen how big the ma70 discs are?
300mmx 22mm vented front rotors, 291mm x 18mm vented rear rotors..
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 22:21
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Its a ga70...Im going looking today, so ill check the price difference for the EBC's and for the Ultimates.
Cheers Guys, Jon
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Brisbane
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November 2002
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Tue, 07 September 2004 23:17
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Great to see someone is thinking the right way around. Make sure everything works fine, then start making some modifications 
Fluid. Most important for brakes is to bleed out the hydraulic system (if not sure how to do this, a mechanic will happily take money from you for this task). Over time, brake fluid (a) absorbs water and (b) generally gets fully of shit. Now that your car is 10-15 years old it is probably well and truly gummed up and this should be your first point of call - best done when you change the brake pads. Brake fluid is designed not to compress, so the pressure you put on the pedal is directly fed to the braking surfaces. If you have contaminants in your brake fluid, this can compress and absorb your pedal pressure and can also cause a blockage or a jammed caliper! Also remember that water boils, so if you get your brakes hot you can lose some/most/all of your pedal pressure due to boiling fluid!
If getting a mechanic to do the fluid, get them to check that the calipers are in good condition and don't need to be rebuilt. They will probably do it anyway, but this makes sure and also makes you sound like you know what you're talking about. If doing it yourself then you should be able to tell by the condition of the seals, pistons, and the condition of the brake fluid coming out.
Remember that the difference between good brake fluid and cheap brake fluid is about five bucks a bottle (probably need two or three bottles to do the whole car safely?). Don't be cheap, and remember to change it regularly. I would do it once every 6-12 months, but there is probably an official time frame... unfortunately this figure is irrelevant as most people have probably never had their brake fluid flushed and won't ever know their brakes are dodgy.
Pads. As Norbie said, Bendix is a starting point. Mk3's have big brakes, but they're also a big car, so no compromises. Definitely don't put in anything less than Ultimates (about $100 a set?) - and really look at a set of EBC's (I don't want to scare you off, but you're looking at about $200-$300 depending on application) for top performance from your existing brakes. I am sure that everyone here wil agree that if you are tight on money, you are better off getting a moderate quality pad like the Ultimates and bleeding the hydraulics, rather than spending up big on pads and forgetting the fluid completely.
Rotors/Calipers. You don't really have an option here unless you have a good $3000+ to spend upgrading your braking system. The best you can do is rebuild the calipers (this involves a clean/flush, new seals and in some cases new pistons) and when the rotors are due for replacement, choose slotted rotors. They are a small upgrade and not really worth doing 'off the bat' if your existing rotors are good, as it is quite expensive - unless you have heaps of money to throw around of course.
Skills. Your brakes are only as good as your skills - once you've fixed everything up, drive along on the highway at 100km/h. Check there are no cars around and 'hit it'. Stop as quickly as you can, but remember that squealing is bad. Squealing means that the tyres have locked and that you are beyond maximum efficiency. Release the pedal gradually and the wheels will grip... then increase pressure again gradually and repeat until you get the hang of it.
You can have a $10,000 Brembo setup on your car, but if you just mash the pedal or close your eyes when confronted with a difficult situation you may as well have standard brakes!
Other Stuff. The other thing to keep in mind that your brakes are also only as good as your tyres (particularly your fronts) and your suspension. In my experience (having owned one and driven numerous) Mk3 Supras have problems locking one front wheel under hard braking so I would definitely make sure that good tyres are fitted to minimise this, and good suspension stops the car squirming and unnecessarily unloading the tyres.
[Updated on: Tue, 07 September 2004 23:20]
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I wanna go Hawaiiiiii.......
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November 2003
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Wed, 08 September 2004 02:35
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Call Race Brakes in sydney.
They have a compound they recommended for my jza70, they cost half what the ebc will cost and last twice as long. Stop VERY well too, havent had a fade from them yet - including a hard run on the old Pac hwy.
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Location:
Melbourne
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September 2003
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Wed, 08 September 2004 03:18
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The Bendix ultimate is a very underrated pad. They work as well as some of the higher priced pads. Great value for money!
You dont need anything better unless you do any sort of motorsport. Spend the money you save on something else for the car!
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Wed, 08 September 2004 11:26
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7M-Brisbane thanks heaps!
I spent almost an hour today ringing around places but got pretty much the same answer from everyone...NO!!
Eventually I got a set of "lucas" pads from a place called ABS in Adelaide. These were what he recommended to me, and when i asked him about EBC Greenstuff he just said that he didnt sell them...Anyways, it set me back $150 and i get them tomorrow. Ill let you know how they go after i fit them on saturday.
Jon
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Wed, 08 September 2004 11:27
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| pro_k wrote on Wed, 08 September 2004 13:18 |
The Bendix ultimate is a very underrated pad. They work as well as some of the higher priced pads. Great value for money!
You dont need anything better unless you do any sort of motorsport. Spend the money you save on something else for the car!
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Bendix ultimates is what im using, and i think they are great 
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: Brakes: Mk 3 TT Supra
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Wed, 08 September 2004 13:43
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yeah the same for me V8_MA61 recommended them for my car too, they are a very good mark up from the standard pads i had on them. and hey they are like double what standard pads would cost me but yeah much worth it, they aren't anywhere near the 200-300 mark so i'm happy. looking at my engine for the next swap.
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