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how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Tue, 14 September 2004 09:45
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does anyone have a clue what a GT-4 weighs and do you know of any fast moded ones around?
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Tue, 14 September 2004 10:55
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I think you are looking at about 1300kg for a ST165?
I haven't modded mine yet, but there are a few modded ones around, I believe there is one in the for sale section...might want to have a look at that?
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Tue, 14 September 2004 23:04
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*real* weight of an ST185 is around 1450kg with 1/4 tank of fuel and all fluids.
I've done some weight loss to mine. Its currently 1359kg with 1/4 tank and fluids. (I've taken it to the weighbridge)
I've done :
* 7kg Oddessey battery
* Group A front bumper and support bar
* No Airconditioning
* No stereo gear
* Smaller radiator overflow bottle
* Smaller windscreen washer bottle
* Removed spare wheel/tyre (it doesn't fit over the new brakes anyway)
* Removed jack and tools
* Removed boot sound deadening and carpet
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newcastle
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April 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 01:24
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depends on model, accessories and or mods 
there are a few modded ones on here in different
forms 
what are you wanting to do 
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November 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 02:05
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A rough rule of thumb I remember is:
ST165 1380kg
ST185 1440kg
ST205 1485kg
as best as I can recall.
And yes, there are a few trick ones around the place.
Mitch.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 02:16
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nah the ST205 is definitely lighter. 1390kg from memory.
ST185 is the porker thou.
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November 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 02:20
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You're right mate, my bad....
It should read something like:
165 1345kg
205 1385kg
185 1450kg
The 205 is lighter than the 185, but not the 165.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 03:12
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| spectral wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 09:04 |
I've done some weight loss to mine. Its currently 1359kg with 1/4 tank and fluids. (I've taken it to the weighbridge)
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I've always wanted to know about this. Can anyone just rock in to one of those truck weighing thingies on the side of the road and get weighed?
And if so, do they give you a weight for each corner or just the overall weight?
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 03:15
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in Qld, you can just go to your local public weighbridge and drive on and they give you the figure. Its free, but if you need an official certificate, then it costs a couple of bucks.
From what I've heard the public weighbridges down south aren't free. I read a Zoom article on their XR6 turbo project car, and they paid $5 to get it done.
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 03:21
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Very cool, I don't mind paying a few dollars to have it done. I just didn't want to rock in one day and have them say "What do you think you're doing d*ckhead, that's a mr2 not a truck"
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 03:25
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i just said I wanted to know the weight so I would know if I can legally tow it with my Hilux... she said heaps of people do that.
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 04:26
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"Removed boot sound deadening and carpet"
I didnt think ST185's had sound deading in them ??
when we took the carpet out of my brothers there was none at all ?? didnt look like it had ever been there or removed either??
can someone care to eloberate ??
Ben.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 04:32
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mine had that insulation type stuff under the carpet. Same sort of stuff thats under the cabin carpet.
Maybe mine was put there aftermarket 
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Land of Oz
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June 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 05:26
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Hi,
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165 1345kg
205 1385kg
185 1450kg
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Crikey! That's one fat-assed heavy car! Where does all this extra weight come from?
No wonder the old TA22's with the 2TG scream along. They weigh only 970kg. The RA25 comes in at 1040kg.
What's the power/weight ratio of the 165/205/185?
The GT TA22 would be 970/124 = 7.82kg/hp (maybe a bit more 'cos 2TG is a little heavier than the 2T)
The LT TA22 would be 970/102 = 9.51kg/hp
The GT RA25 would be 1040/145 = 7.17kg/hp
Even with 4 people in my car, it'd be lighter than a 165 with just the driver!
seeyuzz
river
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 05:29
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Well a standard ST205 puts out 250Hp or close to it 
1385 / 250 = 5.54
ST185 is
1450 / 204 = 7.07
No-one ever said the ST185 was a lightning quick car in standard form But its easy to get that 205hp up to the 250+ region.
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Land of Oz
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June 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 05:50
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Hi,
250+hp! Good stuff!
I'm not conversant on the later models. I'm just an old school boy, and probably always will be, but I assumed the later Celicas would have more grunty engines to haul the weight around.
Thanks for the info - 'cos I know even less about the various engine types and power of anything after the RA65. (I'm living in the 70's... la la lalla la...)
However, it is interesting to note, in stock form, the various pwr/wgt ratios of the cars.
seeyuzz
river
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Rydalmere, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 06:26
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I can tell you that a bone-stock RAV4 weighs a mere 1179kg (5-door) dry-weight. Add the goodness of a 3S-GTE engine, ST205 gearbox and GroupA ST185 LSD (sans the back seats) with chromies and fat rubber and you something in the vicinity of 1400kg's of RAV-GT4. I'm not sure how much exactly, I haven't actually put it on a weighbridge to find out. But that $5 weighbridge is damn cheap... the one in Rawson St. Auburn charges $20-something for a weigh, and that's just overall-weight (not weight per corner, etc.). 
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 07:04
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The wagon only comes in at 1450 and that was about 100kg lighter than the GT4's on the same weighbridge day.
Do a search of the froums in Cruise and events and find the weighbridge day. 2 GT4's got weighed and the results are there.
On a side note the wagon with 7 ppl came in at 2160kg
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Location:
innisfail
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August 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 08:04
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thanx guys!you've been more then helpful! I was wondering if anyone had made a 10second one yet or not! it'd be pretty cool if someone did!
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 08:38
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there is a 10 sec Gt4 - but its in america + very heavily modified ..
Most " modified " ones on here post mid thirteens ..
they may be aporker but the 3sgte's power up abilitys can counter the weight ..
Mines in the 1400 KG vicinity as well .
Gt4's are weapons - in stock form they are fast but not blistering - just alot think " oh shit heavy " but they dont realise the new evo 8 weighs around much , and see what those things are capable of !
Liberate a few neddies and make a few ods here and there and a Gt4 will be capable of scaring ALOT of performance cars
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:03
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The difference between a GT4 and old-school stuff is that a GT4 can do 0-100km/h in 8.5 seconds on tarmac...and does 0-100km/h in 8.5 seconds on dirt
Also, GT4s would have a totally different torque curve to those earlier cars - seeing as they are turbo - and even tho the kg/hp figure isn't amazing or startlingly good, they still go like all heck!
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Sydney - Surry Hills
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May 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:09
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What suprises me is that 204's are considerably lighter than 205's.
My ST204R is stock as a rock and wieghs in at 1104kg.
Whereas the GT4 counderpart weighs about 300KG more
I didn't think the 3sgte weighed in at that much, i've got a 5F-SE at the moment.
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:55
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I think you'll find that the 5S-FE you have now is a two-wheel-drive... whereas the 3S-GTE powered 205's are AWD. Two more wheels to power, a VERY heavy LSD and a chunkier gearbox... oh yeah, there's extra kilo's there.
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Sydney - Surry Hills
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May 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 10:09
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Certainly is, FWD * sigh - shaddup garth *
Makes sense though, when you look at it in that perspective. I didn't think it would be an extra 250 - 300KG though.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 10:21
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the mechanicals weigh so much because they are built like brick shithouses to withstand the pwer + torque the 3sgte can produce ..
Im yet to hear of anyone killing a Gt4 gearbox ( bar syncro wear ) . You pay in dollars and in weight for quality bulletproof mechanicals - the Gt4 is an example of the highest degree of this
And FWD boy - Mines a bit quicker than 8.5 on both 
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 10:27
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I dunno if this is true for the other models, but on the ST165 the floorpan is different and the rear suspension and it's mounting points are beefed up compared to the ST162, this will also add to the weight of the car.
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melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 15 September 2004 11:56
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| Classique71 wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 20:21 |
the mechanicals weigh so much because they are built like brick shithouses to withstand the pwer + torque the 3sgte can produce ..
Im yet to hear of anyone killing a Gt4 gearbox ( bar syncro wear ) . You pay in dollars and in weight for quality bulletproof mechanicals - the Gt4 is an example of the highest degree of this
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I've heard the all wheel drive system is very tough also.
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newcastle
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April 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 16 September 2004 01:06
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current wrx is over the 1500kg mark now
so in comparision an st185 isn't that bad
plus you only notice the weight of it if you
are slow off the line 
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 16 September 2004 12:15
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| 1gt48u wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 09:06 |
current wrx is over the 1500kg mark now
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Base model WRX is a little over 1400kg and the STi is still under 1500kg.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 16 September 2004 12:30
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| spectral wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 13:15 |
in Qld, you can just go to your local public weighbridge and drive on and they give you the figure. Its free, but if you need an official certificate, then it costs a couple of bucks.
From what I've heard the public weighbridges down south aren't free. I read a Zoom article on their XR6 turbo project car, and they paid $5 to get it done.
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where are free public weigh bridges around here
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Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 06 October 2004 06:38
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| Classique71 wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 20:21 |
Im yet to hear of anyone killing a Gt4 gearbox ( bar syncro wear ) . You pay in dollars and in weight for quality bulletproof mechanicals - the Gt4 is an example of the highest degree of this
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I've broken one now
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newcastle
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April 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 06 October 2004 06:53
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| dynomatt wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 16:38 |
I've broken one now
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legend
theres always one 
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 06 October 2004 08:14
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is that a 185 gearbox you broke? the 205 gearbox was furthur reenforced again wasnt it?
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 06 October 2004 08:44
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how big was the rock matt
PS saw your name written up in that rally flier magazione the newsagents have - saw you were going very well + took 2 stages or something at a recent rally ?
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May 2004
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Wed, 06 October 2004 22:16
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It was a 185 gearbox...but to be fair, I shouldn't blame Toyota. It seems the guy who built the car cut corners and the box wasn't mounted properly.
Here are some photos (I hope)
Exhibit A (Rally Car block)
Exhibit B (spare block)
Basically, the box wasn't supported properly and the flex in the box caused the right angle drive pinion to explode...the pieces of the pinion cruising the box was enough to crack the case.
It's pretty stuffed actually!!
Hey Stu...wanna sell me my box back!!
Matt
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 07 October 2004 02:25
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Hmms soory mate - the box is being used - but i may have some leads on some st205 boxes in the near future of youd like your name on one of them ?
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Canberra
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June 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:22
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They are heavy but that's why they last..they are bloody strong. They can be fast as well..my white car is now sub 4.5 sec 0-100 and mid 12 1/4s on the G-tech with around 200kw at the wheels.
Similar top speed as an R1 down the straight at Wakefield park so you'd hardly call that slow.
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May 2002
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:30
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| spectral wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 13:15 |
in Qld, you can just go to your local public weighbridge and drive on and they give you the figure. Its free, but if you need an official certificate, then it costs a couple of bucks.
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Hehe I also want to know where the free brissy ones are!
Cheers
Wilbo
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: how much does a GT-4 weigh????
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Thu, 07 October 2004 06:17
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I went to Browns Plains refuse dump to get it weighed for free
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