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No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 07:05
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Anybody seen this new technology coming out in UK that doesnt let your car go over the speed limit? Using GPS, it detectes the limit in that area and slows the car down to that speed, even if youv'e got your foot flat to the floor.
That is NOT good.
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 07:13
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That's why god invented hackers. 
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 07:43
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No way in world they'll be putting one of them in my car...
And I'm sure they could be quite easily disconnected...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 07:52
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| SIMDOG wrote on Mon, 20 September 2004 17:13 |
That's why god invented hackers.
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shit yes
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 07:57
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im amazed car companies allow this
then again..they probably have a government rule to say if they dont they cant sell cars
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 08:24
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I think this was mentioned in the "P-plater curfew" 60 minutes story. Except I don't think it limits you, it just books you every time you crack the limit 
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Melbourne
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 08:27
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| Rolla Boy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2004 17:43 |
No way in world they'll be putting one of them in my car...
And I'm sure they could be quite easily disconnected...
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Most of this is aimed squarely at new cars, which will have the equipment built in, and the speed limiting written into the ECU/BCM. This means that IF it can be disabled, it'll have to be done by an authorised/clever aftermarket tuner. It won't just be something that can be easily hacked, either. There's a wonderous system called OBD-II (OnBoard Diagnostics 2) which keeps tabs on EVERYTHING electronic, and throws an error code if something's amiss. It can only be reset by a dealer with the appropriate handset, once the problem's been returned to OEM spec.
The system's so finnicky you can't even install a high-flow air-filter panel without throwing-out the AirFlowMeter and chucking an error. The future is bleak indeed for aftermarket tuners.
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sunny coast, qld
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 08:43
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I like my old car 
I saw this sort of thing on ACA when they had the Toyota "smart" car. First thing they talked about was the TURBO engine and then told us about the not allowed to accelerate too fast or speed bit and I just wonder what the point is???
Oh, and they have set it up that you can check the water and oil without opening the bonnet It's a sad world isn't it!
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Melbourne
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June 2004
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Mon, 20 September 2004 08:53
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Well, with the U.S. requiring a 100,000 Mile, no service durability run from any new engine released in their market, we won't need to worry about opening the bonnet soon. The no-go underbonnet zone will be pushed through by the switch to 42Volt electrics in a few years anyway.
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Campbelltown, NSW, Austra...
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January 2004
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Mon, 20 September 2004 09:12
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Yeah volvo made a concept car designed entireley by women that had a sealed bonnet, opened only at service intervals, plus teflon paint and a number of other "ideas".
Anyway the idea about gps controled speed limiters is stupid, there are situations where you have to exceed the speed limit in order to avoid an accident, there was a case in vic where a man got off a fine for this reason.
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 09:16
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| SIMDOG wrote on Mon, 20 September 2004 16:43 |
That's why god invented hackers.
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i r 73h ub3r 1337 h4x0r
ghey idea indeed
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Mon, 20 September 2004 09:24
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Very true. I don't know how they can implement them anyhow. It would mean that every car would have to be modified to contain one of these 'limiters'. Otherwise, every new car would be much slower in reality than older cars....WTF.
One of the arguments is that soon, we will be running out of oil, and thus petrol. So, all cars that run on petrol will be scraped because there useless. And that new cars, with alternate energy systems will contain more electronics than mechanics, like electronics brakes and steering. We'll be driving hoping we don't have any dry joints in our car circuitry....hmmmmm.
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Mon, 20 September 2004 09:53
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no chance in hell, that'll be in my car...rip the whole fucker out if the car comes with it 
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Mon, 20 September 2004 16:59
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| JETSPEEDCAMRY wrote on Mon, 20 September 2004 19:24 |
Very true. I don't know how they can implement them anyhow. It would mean that every car would have to be modified to contain one of these 'limiters'. Otherwise, every new car would be much slower in reality than older cars....WTF.
One of the arguments is that soon, we will be running out of oil, and thus petrol. So, all cars that run on petrol will be scraped because there useless. And that new cars, with alternate energy systems will contain more electronics than mechanics, like electronics brakes and steering. We'll be driving hoping we don't have any dry joints in our car circuitry....hmmmmm.
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soon our destination and everything will be controled by gps as well. Sitting in our very own car is no different than sitting in a cab.
I'm gonna be an automotive engineer when i graduate and u have my word that i'll give my full support to internal combustion and probably rocket engines on road cars!!!
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:00
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Well, cars have been tending towards shit for at least 10 years now, they are too popular and 'convenient' etc, back in the day a car could be fun without needing some six stacker CD player and some 'cute' rear spoiler...these days they are all effing metrosexual.
if there's one thing I hate, it's them damn metros.
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:05
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 02:59 |
soon our destination and everything will be controled by gps as well. Sitting in our very own car is no different than sitting in a cab.
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Yeah, maybe the cars in "I,Robot" aren't so far fetched after all.........
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April 2004
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:15
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Don't worry boys. Can you imagine the government implementing this as a rule? It would cut out one of their MAJOR sources of revenue - Speeding fines. AND, would prove them wrong by showing that speed is in fact NOT the major contributor in road fatalities when the number of deaths didn't decrease.
On the other hand, I can imagine them implementing the one where you can break the speed limit, but it will automatically fine you. Imagine the increase in revenue then! Road fatalities would also increase because everyone would be glued to their speedo (even more so than now) rather than watching the road.
And finally, what would happen if you needed to get out of the way of an out of control truck or something, but couldn't go fast enough coz your stupid goddam car won't accelerate anymore......
I'm getting fired up now!!!
FKN FUCK FUCK!
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Brisbane
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February 2004
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:43
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HAHAHAHHA this will never happen! well at least not for the next 60 years. but anyway, no way will one of theings ever be in any of my cars. cant wait to c a vette stingray glide past a new audi with one of those things 
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:49
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Don't worry boys. Can you imagine the government implementing this as a rule? It would cut out one of their MAJOR sources of revenue - Speeding fines. AND, would prove them wrong by showing that speed is in fact NOT the major contributor in road fatalities when the number of deaths didn't decrease.
On the other hand, I can imagine them implementing the one where you can break the speed limit, but it will automatically fine you. Imagine the increase in revenue then! Road fatalities would also increase because everyone would be glued to their speedo (even more so than now) rather than watching the road.
And finally, what would happen if you needed to get out of the way of an out of control truck or something, but couldn't go fast enough coz your stupid goddam car won't accelerate anymore......
I'm getting fired up now!!!
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hahahaha W3RD! I agree with every key stroke
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:53
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 02:29 |
I'm gonna be an automotive engineer when i graduate and u have my word that i'll give my full support to internal combustion and probably rocket engines on road cars!!!
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Awesome, thank god there is someone out there who beleieves that we can strap rockets to our cars!
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:57
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| AE86slut wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 11:15 |
Don't worry boys. Can you imagine the government implementing this as a rule? It would cut out one of their MAJOR sources of revenue - Speeding fines. AND, would prove them wrong by showing that speed is in fact NOT the major contributor in road fatalities when the number of deaths didn't decrease.
On the other hand, I can imagine them implementing the one where you can break the speed limit, but it will automatically fine you. Imagine the increase in revenue then! Road fatalities would also increase because everyone would be glued to their speedo (even more so than now) rather than watching the road.
And finally, what would happen if you needed to get out of the way of an out of control truck or something, but couldn't go fast enough coz your stupid goddam car won't accelerate anymore......
I'm getting fired up now!!!
FKN FUCK FUCK!
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Ditto... So true...
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:29
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honestly i think the next thing to come along is hover crafts in maybe 10 yrs. In fact, there are a few dudes who managed to make it already. problem is that its too expensive for mass production and probably fuel consumption as well.
Back to road cars. I think it was in germany where cars have something like a magnet thing in them. and there's magnet on the road as well. Basically the driver doesnt have to drive as these magnetic forces will keep them in their lanes. And they will also be able to keep their distance frm other cars as well. its a great idea/invention for housewives!! anyway, the downside to that was it wouldnt stop if there was a person or cat running across the road.
wonders of technology.
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:57
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 12:29 |
honestly i think the next thing to come along is hover crafts in maybe 10 yrs. In fact, there are a few dudes who managed to make it already. problem is that its too expensive for mass production and probably fuel consumption as well.
Back to road cars. I think it was in germany where cars have something like a magnet thing in them. and there's magnet on the road as well. Basically the driver doesnt have to drive as these magnetic forces will keep them in their lanes. And they will also be able to keep their distance frm other cars as well. its a great idea/invention for housewives!! anyway, the downside to that was it wouldnt stop if there was a person or cat running across the road.
wonders of technology.
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the only problem with those things is if it fails
cause the driver wont be paying attention.. he will get fucked
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Perth
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September 2004
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Tue, 21 September 2004 14:00
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Nah, hovercraft are asexual. (Following my theory of front wheel drive cars are girls, rear wheel drive cars are boys 'cause they have a dangly bit between the rear wheels Plus its like calling them gay except without insulting gays.) Plus they corner like crap - imagine driving on ice. With oil poured on it. Plus they use way too much power.
The future is definitely battery-driven electric cars. If you disagree, see here: http://www.salezfactory.com/wayland.html
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Tue, 21 September 2004 14:11
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| fractoid wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 00:00 |
Nah, hovercraft are asexual. (Following my theory of front wheel drive cars are girls, rear wheel drive cars are boys 'cause they have a dangly bit between the rear wheels Plus its like calling them gay except without insulting gays.) Plus they corner like crap - imagine driving on ice. With oil poured on it. Plus they use way too much power.
The future is definitely battery-driven electric cars. If you disagree, see here: http://www.salezfactory.com/wayland.html
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lol
thats insane
instead of turbo upgrades.. battery upgrades
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Tue, 21 September 2004 15:04
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soon it will be "more volts"
in stead of "more boost"
Nezza 
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Wed, 22 September 2004 03:28
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| b1gb3n wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 12:29 |
honestly i think the next thing to come along is hover crafts in maybe 10 yrs. In fact, there are a few dudes who managed to make it already. problem is that its too expensive for mass production and probably fuel consumption as well.
Back to road cars. I think it was in germany where cars have something like a magnet thing in them. and there's magnet on the road as well. Basically the driver doesnt have to drive as these magnetic forces will keep them in their lanes. And they will also be able to keep their distance frm other cars as well. its a great idea/invention for housewives!! anyway, the downside to that was it wouldnt stop if there was a person or cat running across the road.
wonders of technology.
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That would suck... some smart arse would end up rearranging the magnets and causing a massive pileup or something.
I can imagine a 911 type incident where some bastard hijacks a freeway with a magnet... it was bad enough that thousands of people died over a pissy box cutter but america would look like total idiots if they got done over by a towelhead with a magnet!
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Thu, 23 September 2004 10:07
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I think Mercedes are still working on the cameras and software that follow lane markings, white posts etc etc and use radar + cameras to avoid running into stuff. They've already released cars with "adaptive cruise control" that backs off the throttle, and applies up to 0.7G of braking to slow down for cars infront. Not to mention their complete "drive by wire" systems.
Remote brakes, electronic throttle+gearshift, No Steering column!!
Tomorrow is now!
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Thu, 23 September 2004 10:11
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Pssht, run internal combustion engines on hydrogen. Sure they're inefficient but who cares, they have character! If all I'm producing is water from the exhaust and I make the hydrogen using solar power everyone who doesn't like it can go stick it
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September 2004
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Re: No NEED FOR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS
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Thu, 23 September 2004 13:06
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Hi,
You just need to hack the source - that is, the GPS system. They're just a bunch of satellites, and satellites have been hacked before. Not only would the cars be going crazy, you can have jet liners crashing and landing in the wrong place and all sorts of other wonderful mishaps.
I don't trust a any dependance upon a sole technology and GPS will be the weak link, single point of failure, in the system.
Makes me smile to think the only processor in my car is the one that makes the pretty lights go around on my CD player.
I can't wait for all the sort of bullshit people will do to their electric cars. Man, I've got a new modified star-delta start circuit in my car, then I'm gonna put in a gold-plated armature with triple coils and lo-resitance windings, then I'm gonna feed the DC into a sik chopper-circuit to provide a 4khz ass kicking switched power supply to re-feed back into DC with a floating earth cross-phase inverter.... blah.. fucking.. blah..
I prefer us to all have big wind-up springs, like that car add on TV. Every hundred yards we get out and wind up the car again. You can have one of those big-ass winding keys sticking out the back of your car. Hehehehe... some of you guys, getting all fired up, can be self-winding - and use it to power your clockwork car a bit further than the rest of us
seeyuzz
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