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3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Mon, 20 September 2004 11:03
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I've had a couple of inquiries about 3SGE or 3SGTE bellhousings to fit W series gearboxes.
I've sold some to people here in NZ and a couple to OZ.
I'm no longer keen to find them at wreckers, clean them up, box them up and send them off to people all over the place.
I took me quite a bit of searching and a bit of luck to work out what fitted what and where to find them - I hope lots of people benefit from my efforts.
If you copy this to other websites I ask that I am acknowledged as the author of this info.
I take no responsibilty for any problems you might encounter if you use this info.
3SGE or 3SGTE BELLHOUSINGS TO FIT W series GEARBOXES
You can have starter on left or right.
Starter on left.
Look for a bellhousing out of any manual C motor powered rwd toyota. This is identical to the S to W bellhousing! Probably the most common would be diesel powered LiteAce or maybe HiAce.
Get the slave cylinder and clutch release arm. Get the bellhousing to block support brackets and the metal companion plate that fits between bellhousing and block. these will suit the S motor as well.
Starter might fit as well I think.
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Starter on right
Look for a bellhousing out of any manual Y motor powered rwd toyota. This is very similar to the S to W bellhousing. Probably the most common would be LiteAce or maybe HiAce.
Get the slave cylinder and clutch release arm. Get the metal companion plate that fits between bellhousing and block. these will suit the S motor as well.
Starter fits but might cause problems in AE86. The bellhousing to block support brackets... not sure if they fit, can't remember sorry.
"BUT" you say, "the LiteAce and HiAce has a G series gearbox not a W!"
No problem - the front bolt pattern of the G series gearbox is exactly the same as the W series gearbox. Bolt it up and be happy!
If you have a Y series bellhousing? That will work well and give you the starter on the right. You just need to slot or fill and redrill one hole and it will fit the S series motor fine. You might need to mill 5 to 10 mm off the face of the bellhousing - see below.
With a factory S motor to W gearbox setup, the pilot bearing sits in the centre of the flywheel instead of the centre of the crankshaft.
This means that you have to:
1 - mill 5 to 10 mm off the face of the bellhousing so the input shaft will reach into the end of the crank (you would have to insert a pilot bearing into the end of the crank). OR
2 - fit a pilot bearing into the centre of the flywheel. OR
3 - find a bearing that is wider than the standard pilot bearing so half of it sticks out beyond the end of the crankshaft enough to accept the input shaft.
4 - make an adapter that fits into the end of the crank. This adapter holds the pilot bearing 5 or 10 mm out from the end of the crank so the inout shaft will fit into it.
Starter motors - The starter motors from rwd S or C motors should fit the C or S bellhousings ok I think. The starter motors from the Y motors might be ok, not really sure. Gabe from WA says he had to use another starter (I don't know what one) to keep clear of the AE86 steering.
Good luck
Kinloud
Ken Evans
Taupo
New Zealand
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Newcastle
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August 2003
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Mon, 20 September 2004 17:26
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Wow!
So informative, I am too lazy to read it right now
3:30am, so I have filed it!
Thanks heaps in advance!
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Mon, 20 September 2004 22:27
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Nice work Ken, very informative!
Ed please put this in the FAQ
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Perth
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June 2002
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 01:17
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Very helpful Ken, much appreciated.
Like you mentioned, I don't know what starter I used as I had a few lying around and tried them all till I found one that was right.
If it is required, I will pull my starter off and take it to the wreckers and match it up. But like I said, only if it is required....
Once again Ken, cheers for taking the time to document all that info for us!!
Gabe
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:04
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I used a starter from an SA63.
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Perth
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June 2002
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:13
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 21 September 2004 10:04 |
I used a starter from an SA63.
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Yep a SA63 will fit but if you are transplanting the engine into a sprinter, the starter sits too far out from the block and fouls the steering.
Old Celicas and the like have a steering box, so the whole setup is much more compact. As you know
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:15
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Actually the late/replacement SA63 starters are about as small as you'll get which is what I needed to clear my engine mount.
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Hamilton, NZ
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 08:50
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When you mention SA63... in OZ is it a Celica or Carina?
Was it sold new in OZ or is it an import?
I presume it has a Gen 1 3sge?
I have an AA63 Carina racecar. Its a 3 door fastback, sort of a cross between a celica and corona. Has factory 4age, T50, independant rear, 4 wheels disks. I also have a couple of AA60s - same body but 3a motor and solid drum rear (parts cars for my race car in case I bend something).
Here in NZ the trend seems to be putting a 3sgte into an early 80's rwd Toyota Starlet - 750 kg of hair raising fun!
Ken
Taupo
NZ
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 08:59
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The SA63 in Oz is a Celica which comes packed with a 2SC 
What do the 80's rwd Toyota Starlets look like?
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 09:44
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Tue, 21 September 2004 09:47
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Wow, one of those would be sweet with a 3S-GTE fitted 
How much do they sell for over there? Unmodified?
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Location:
Hamilton, NZ
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September 2004
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3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:50
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RWD Starlets often sell for $1000 to $1200NZ
I have seen some real mint ones including a genuine One Lady Owner 1984 Starlet - only probs where faded paint and a small dent on front guard. Most are a bit rough with rust and dents.
You could import one to OZ with no probs due to it being older than 15 years or is it 20 years.
Ken
Taupo
NZ
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Thu, 23 September 2004 10:06
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I wouldn't mind one of them to play with. How much would a container cost?
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Thu, 23 September 2004 10:45
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I'd have a think about one of these too.
Would have to bring in 2 for each person as we couldn't get spares.
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Thu, 23 September 2004 11:12
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Why would you need spares? Everything gets custom made so its no problem.
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Re: 3SGE 3SGTE bellhousings
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Sun, 26 September 2004 22:44
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I'm talking about body panel spares.
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