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Cruise suggestions Tue, 21 September 2004 12:20 Go to next message
Hi all,
I've been watching and reading a few of the posts about cruises...
some of the cruises have had a bit of negative feedback - so I figure - rather than just all bitch...

why not start a thread so we can suggest how we want cruises to be run.

From the last one some of the suggestions were:


  • Speed ratings for cruises
  • Speed groupings for cruises
  • Stage warnings / cautions
  • Alternate routes for speed / cruise with meet up points


all of the above seem like good ideas to me, especially the 'speed rating' sometimes I'm just not that keen on going hell for leather......

some of my personal suggestions:

If you're going to do a 'go flat sticks psycho through the hills cruise' don't go for big numbers keep them small and to a group of drivers who express an interest in that sort of thing.

If you're gonna go for a big long cruise to show off our loved cars...big as possible hundreds and thousands of toyo's in lines.

If you do 'speed groupings' then make sure at least one person in each group knows the stages well enough to guide the rest...imagine a poor new person on a cruise with us first time - in an area they don't really know...and they get left behind / lost...not a good impression.

*anyway that's my 2c (worth far less than that)*

Doing things like the above can make our cruises more of a friendly atmosphere.... some of the time the attitude 'go hard or go home' isn't always welcome or appreciated.

So rather than bitch and whinge I'd like to do something constructive to help the club where I can.

Get your suggestions down *then we can bombard Stef & Graham*

And get some of the best cars / people cruising together how we all want to.

[Updated on: Tue, 21 September 2004 12:21]

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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 21 September 2004 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i agree with what your saying id rather cruise with toyotas then go for a thrash becaus ei can go for a thrash and get lost because of poor navigation whenever i want its not too often i can cruise with toyotas not many of my friends own them
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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 21 September 2004 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maybe a set of cruising "suggestions" could be made up to be handed out with cruise direction sheets at the beginning of the cruise.

People should always try and stick to the front if they want to go faster or the back if they dont, our toyota cruises always seem pretty good in waiting for the back runners.

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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 21 September 2004 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the answer is simple - if your a slow cunt PULL THE FUCK OVA Rolling Eyes
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 22 September 2004 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I can thrash my car on my own whenever I want, I guess a cruise to me should be more of a social thing Smile

I agree with pretty much all the suggestions, I definitely think 'grouping' is a good idea.

The only other thing is to sort out why everyone gets lost Razz
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 22 September 2004 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If anyone thinks it would help I could always draft up tulip diagram style directions to accompany the written directions? I've never got lost with them things.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 22 September 2004 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arch wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 08:18

the answer is simple - if your a slow cunt PULL THE FUCK OVA Rolling Eyes


Werd! Cool

The problem with speed rating and all that stuff is that every tries to be a hard cunt and says Oh yeah im gonna fly and then they dont... Rolling Eyes
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 22 September 2004 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arch wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 08:18

the answer is simple - if your a slow cunt PULL THE FUCK OVA Rolling Eyes


And 3rd'ed.
It would solve a lot of problems.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 22 September 2004 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FWDboy wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 11:51

If anyone thinks it would help I could always draft up tulip diagram style directions to accompany the written directions? I've never got lost with them things.


Got an example?
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icon4.gif  Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 04:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arch wrote on Wed, 22 September 2004 08:18

the answer is simple - if your a slow cunt PULL THE FUCK OVA Rolling Eyes



Because that promotes a happy friendly atmosphere for all new people - and encourages the club to grow...

perhaps then since we're gonna take that track - why not just invite everyone who's happy doing 140kph+ (even on roads they don't know) and everyone else can go to hell?

That sure promotes friendly 'club' activities, makes me wonder why I was prepared to join a toyota car club in the first place...

I thought it was because I wanted to meet other like minded people, learn more about the cars I love, cruise(Distinguish - CRUISE and RACE) with some similar cars and see how everyone else is modding there pride and joy to get ideas for mine, instead it seems that I should have only joined a car club if I want to get with a bunch of other people thrash the shit out of my car, go hard or go home? If that's the case I'll just stay home.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 04:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the moto go hard or go home should be left for cannon ball runs, the sprinter guys obviously love to go flat chat but seriously actual club events (even tho we do not have an actual club at this time) really the pace should be cruising and if there are a few that want to make it a cannon ball run eg. the sprinters then let them through but you are right its not a good image to be giving off, leave to set times.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah - I'm sorta trying to keep in mind the 'club' thing as well. A legitimate club would have to drive pussified at all times on the public roads, and leave the crazy shit for the track, and the track alone. It's about the image of the car modifying scene and it's up to us to make sure that we don't get further fucked by legislators.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Damn all you resposible poeple Laughing

So... why dont one of you guys organise it?
Cant leave everything up to Graham and Stef.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ill gladly plan a run, but it aint gonna be very nice for cruising!

There will be hills, hills, and some open roads for high speed runs, as far as I am concerned we should take advantage of the fact that we arent a club yet and no one but the idiots driving can be prosecuted for doing stupid shit!

Its basic but it works Very Happy
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i would be more than happy to..... cept i aint got a car at the moment!

its off the road till finances get me a new motor, gearbox and preferably suspension.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Heres my view...

If you want a fast paced hills cruise, then go for limited numbers of club members only, that way we all know everybodies driving abilities.

If your going for numbers then go for a town, or open hills, sweeping corners long straights kinda cruises, that way its pretty easy to overtake if people want.

Also, i think that the cruise organiser should be the lead car, they *should* know the route and know what speeds are safe, and also they can SET THE SPEED OF THE CRUISE.

Track days are great an awesome idea, but you need a lot of support from everybody to help organise them. I am volunteering to do this if people are willing to help.

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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quote:

why not just invite everyone who's happy doing 140kph+ (even on roads they don't know) and everyone else can go to hell?



couldnt have said it better myself lol Laughing

now look, the reason i said that above, is because this most recent cruise was always a hills run, it was never a hindley or a bay cruise, it was a hills run. ppl should have expected fast pace..

also something i want to know is - if this toyota club starts, and organises a cruise... what should happen if a car that doesnt belong in the club starts driving with them, and breaks road rules etc, is the club still gonna be held responsible?
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 23 September 2004 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Prepare for lecture mode everybody.

Okay.

It's not about whether the club is held responsible for the actions of an individual...it's about the individual's responsibility to not fuck everything up for those interested in car modifying and those that are members of a club that wants to promote the legitimacy of the car modifying scene.

If we want to promote hoon driving, go form a hoon driving club - you can try and convince authorities of the legitimacy of reckless driving as much as you like. However, I think that trying to promote a good public image of car modification does alot to endear us to the authorities that could easily take away the right to modify a car in any way from it's original form.

Modified cars should be 'safer' and alot more fun, but the fun is not to be had at the expense of the general public's safety, the fun is for the track. As a club we would have the numbers to hire out a track for a day and enjoy our cars in their element.

I'm very keen as the club grows in size to work towards having track days and a legitimate time for us to go nuts in what is considered to be a safe environment. I'm not going to put any effort in though if the cruises degenerate into some kind of stupid crazy-fest. I didn't think the last cruise was that bad, however things could've been better and I'd hate for them to get worse when there is so much enthusiasm and numbers amongst the toyota crowd in S.A.

This is purely my interpretation of what a club should be about...it's not the 'facts' it's just a guess.

As for organising cruises, I CBFed atm Razz I think that Graham and Stef are doing a good job and will continue to do so. Sure there's always going to be ideas as to how things could be better and I'm sure some of them will be tried out, that's the idea of this post.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Fri, 24 September 2004 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arch wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 23:08

Quote:

why not just invite everyone who's happy doing 140kph+ (even on roads they don't know) and everyone else can go to hell?



couldnt have said it better myself lol Laughing

now look, the reason i said that above, is because this most recent cruise was always a hills run, it was never a hindley or a bay cruise, it was a hills run. ppl should have expected fast pace..



Ok Arch - I'll accept that one
*I didn't go to the last cos I knew it would be a go nuts in the hills, and I didn't want to slow anyone down*

One new suggestion from me:

Cruise route say a week or two (I know both Stef and Graham are probably busy people) before hand with a speed rating, so that people like me who haven't driven much in the northern (from where I live) hills get a chance before hand to do a 'solo' run and learn the roads a little so they can keep up with the group and not push their driving ability on unfamiliar roads.

I also agree that as a club we need to promote safe and sensible driving - it doesn't take much to get a bad rep as a club with police and assorted others...which in turn means we end up with police appearing on our cruises looking to 'search and defect'

I'd rather not have my celica defected or my corolla searched...and if we can establish a 'good reputation' then track days and the like are going to be easier to get...I mean I can't imagine the tracks being overly willing to hire out the place for a bunch of people that had a police escort, x number of defected cars, etc etc etc...

*I also just want to clarify one thing: I'm not against going nuts and driving hard - I just think there is a time and place*
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Re: Cruise suggestions Fri, 24 September 2004 01:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i agree totally with FWDboy we should have one person who leads the cruise no passing that person and reckless behaviour while representing the club should not be on if you let one slip here one slip there you soon end up with a reputation of sa RCK or Suicide car club.

there is a time and place for everything and cruises should be for cruising and showing your pride and joy, not driving flat chat you want to do that organise it outside of club events.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Fri, 24 September 2004 01:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It would almost work if we had one car up the front except usually cruises get so big that traffic causes them to get spread out fairly badly Smile

Technically there is no club yet, so there is no one to peg the reputation on, which is why some people are still keen to have 'hardcore' (read : crazy fast) cruises because there is less consequence (or some such).

I'll put up an example of tulip diagrams early tomorrow (gotta get back to work now!).
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Re: Cruise suggestions Mon, 27 September 2004 00:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SA Rotor cruises are like that, the person who organises it leads it and sets the pace and everyone follows, they have had to date no problems.

I think this is probly the best idea for cruising, no matter what the numbers.

Fast, hills cruises should be for people you know how they drive, ie not large cruises and mass cruises should be left to around town, theres some pretty good suburban roads down south, not too sure about out north tho.

Im always willing to organise a cruise that goes down south cos i know those roads like the back of my hand (i lost a '01 rex through there on saturday night, had to wait for him to catch back up to me)...

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Re: Cruise suggestions Mon, 01 November 2004 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If an event is posted as a 'cruise', it should be just that. A good social event where everyone can drive chill and just have a bit of fun mucking around, plenty of long stops, maybe have a BBQ or whatever. People attending should know what to expect in terms of driving style from the cruise designation. Anyone who doesnt know what the word cruise means shouldnt be behind the wheel.
If an event is posted as a hills run/thrash/flex/etc. the same applies.

If an event is meant to be laid back it should be labled 'cruise'.
If an event is not that, it should have another name.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Mon, 01 November 2004 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah in a perfect world that would be great but if you post, HILLS THRASH TONIGHT MACCAS WEST TERRACE MEETING POINT!!!

the cops are goona be there for sure, think with your brain dude, i dont know about you but i dont have the time to deal with a defect, and if you post like what i said above the cops are sure to come for a looksee and count the canaries... Sad
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Re: Cruise suggestions Mon, 01 November 2004 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
think with your brain, dude, then read the post again.
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If an event is meant to be laid back it should be labled 'cruise'.
If an event is not that, it should have another name.

I didnt say, HILLS THRASH TONIGHT IN BIG LETTERS, just that the term cruise shouldnt be used. Anyone who posts anything like that would just be stupid. Im sure theres enough intelligent people on here who could devise a secret code talk or something.

The idea of a lead car is a good idea, the CCC cruises led by Adrian have always be good cause everone stays in a group together.
The lead car sets the pace like big JON said. People can race off ahead, but on a cruise, its more fun to actually see the cars you are cruising with.

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Re: Cruise suggestions Mon, 01 November 2004 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you clearly said that it should be labeled as a thrash/hills/flex...

Rolling Eyes

you cant put any of those words in a cruise post, period...
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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 02 November 2004 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okay u gaybos. quit acting like hot dog lickers!

i like to label my gatherings 'cruises'. however anyone who has been on one knows i mostly drive at a hellish pace.

then why call them cruises? because i find it leisurely and relaxing. we might even stop and get ice cream if your lucky.

so yeah! everyones invited to my hellish ice cream cruise!
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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 02 November 2004 05:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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okay u gaybos. quit acting like hot dog lickers!

i like to label my gatherings 'cruises'. however anyone who has been on one knows i mostly drive at a hellish pace.

then why call them cruises? because i find it leisurely and relaxing. we might even stop and get ice cream if your lucky.

so yeah! everyones invited to my hellish ice cream cruise!
Firstly, I don't really want to sound like I'm ticked or anything because I'm not, but just because we leave our fast driving to the track/competition doesn't mean we are gaybos and technically there shouldn't be any assumed difference in behaviour between hot dog lickers and the hot dog non-lickers...

Secondly, I'll be the judge of your pace at the next cruise - boy Razz
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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 02 November 2004 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FWDboy wrote on Tue, 02 November 2004 15:36

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okay u gaybos. quit acting like hot dog lickers!

i like to label my gatherings 'cruises'. however anyone who has been on one knows i mostly drive at a hellish pace.

then why call them cruises? because i find it leisurely and relaxing. we might even stop and get ice cream if your lucky.

so yeah! everyones invited to my hellish ice cream cruise!
Firstly, I don't really want to sound like I'm ticked or anything because I'm not, but just because we leave our fast driving to the track/competition doesn't mean we are gaybos and technically there shouldn't be any assumed difference in behaviour between hot dog lickers and the hot dog non-lickers...

Secondly, I'll be the judge of your pace at the next cruise - boy Razz


okay gaybo Laughing
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Re: Cruise suggestions Tue, 02 November 2004 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
YES! cruise down south!
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 03 November 2004 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i just get pissed off when people reply without reading a post properly.

Mr 1ggte i didnt say that it SHOULD be clearly called a hills thrash i just said if something is labled as such the style of the drive is clearly indicated. People can call a drive ('cruise') whatever they want its up to them if they want to advertise to the cops. Notice the 'etc.' on the end of those names i listed? You dont need to say 'thrash' for people to know what your on about. I said people could come up with new secrative names, like Genkin has sort of done.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 03 November 2004 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
and i think the term 'gaybos' is offensive to hot dog lickers
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 03 November 2004 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lesuirly (sp?) hills run

that don't read too bad but by using the word run you and other forum regulars would know its a fast pace through the hills.
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 03 November 2004 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shutup all of u and ur stoopid wording whinge

just look at urselves

shutup
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Re: Cruise suggestions Wed, 03 November 2004 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arch wrote on Wed, 03 November 2004 18:24

shutup all of u and ur stoopid wording whinge

just look at urselves

shutup


Yeah! go smoke a bong! Razz Laughing
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Re: Cruise suggestions Thu, 04 November 2004 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
And anyway, back to the subject then huh......
Gawd damn, there are some hot heads ready to pounce. I agree, cruise is laid back with a bit of fun thrown in, and there to admire others cars and have a bit of socialising. Hell, you don't need a cruise to thrash the nuts outta your car.
That said, lets move on.... When is the next "cruise" Rolling Eyes
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Re: Cruise suggestions Sun, 07 November 2004 09:46 Go to previous message
haha ok joel done and done!

ok ok....

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