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stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 07:51
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hey guys..as per my last post..my T-50 shat itsself..before forking out the bling for a W58 box and all the conversion gear..has anyone done any research on the 'cryo tough' freezing process? it apparently increases stregth by something like 30% and apparently it stregthens the entire way through..sounds like that might be on the cards..
i got a quote for the TRD gear set which turns the box into a close ratio box for about $700 plus shipping..so i was thinking of getting that cryo treated..what is everyones opinions
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 07:58
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fuck man! for $700 i would have the W58 and custom bellhousing ready to go!
dont waste the $700 on the T50, they really are pissweak boxes. I just cant see them ever handling any decent power.
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brisvegas
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 08:11
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W58 and the custom bellhousing doesn't worry me..the tailshaft mod, new pressure plate for the W58 spline (4 puck carbon), slave cyl, brackets for the slave possi..and possibly the new starter do worry me..if you can put the W58 together for me for cheaper than $1000..i'm sold
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 08:14
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there was a guy around the forums called Rhett - he can get the bellhousing conversions, and they use everything standard 4a 
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 08:38
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hwo did the input shaft go into the 4A clutch? and the 4A tail shaft?
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Land of Oz
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June 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:01
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Hi,
T50 gearset? Isn't the T50 an old box?
I wanna gearset for a P51. Who/what/where in TRD did you speak to for the info?
seeyuzz
river
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:11
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$700 is still kinda cheap for a gearset - a proper racing gearset is something like $5000 (I looked into it for the W box...). However, a lot of the trouble with the T50 is the case itself more than just the gears. Are you breaking these with a standard 4AG, or something that's had some significant playing with?
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 10:42
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yeh..behind a 4AGZE with around 110kw at the tyres..i'm suprised it lasted that long...  it's a jap box..not an aussie, and i have another jap box that i'm stickin in tomorow morning..just so i can drive it..i'll just have to learn to not get to excited with it  prolly a good thing as i only have 1 point left on my licence..
river: i priced my gear set through a mate Anthoney Kallem (sp?) he is getting a price on the quafe set soon..
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Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Wed, 22 September 2004 14:09
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Look at it this way.
If you do pay the $700 for a gearset which in all likelihood is not significantly stronger than stock, then get it cryo treated at $5 per kilo and then installed in the T50. Can you be sure that it wont break?
Any Wxx on the other hand might be slightly more expensive to install initially but is an install and forget proposition. You will never hear from it again...
Stop breaking T50's, Rex wants them...
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 00:35
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T50's are gay.
you cant use the 4A clutch cos W series boxes have the larger input shaft (same size/spline as the E series GZE boxes).
If you used the GZE flywheel - then you can use a GZE clutch cant you? 
tailshaft - also different. Look at a celica shaft and see how much mods are needed to fit that maybe? Do some research man!
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 02:57
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| THE WITZL wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 10:35 |
T50's are gay.
you cant use the 4A clutch cos W series boxes have the larger input shaft (same size/spline as the E series GZE boxes).
If you used the GZE flywheel - then you can use a GZE clutch cant you?
tailshaft - also different. Look at a celica shaft and see how much mods are needed to fit that maybe? Do some research man!
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not to be rude or anything but thats exacly what i said in the first post..then you turned around and said
"there was a guy around the forums called Rhett - he can get the bellhousing conversions, and they use everything standard 4a "
i already knew that splines are different.. 
but i kinda am leaning towards a W58..exactly what rex said put it in and forget about it..
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:10
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Dont forget it, thrash it remorselessly every day and think "What a good idea this was"
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:22
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thats the plan! would the T series diff i have cope with it? it's got an aftermaket LSD in it..not sure on the brad..never touched it..
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Hamilton, NZ
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September 2004
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T-50 vs W5x
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:29
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T50 life depends entirely on torque and driving style.
Clutch dumps with good rubber will break things after a while. Shockloading can often cause things to fail.
However I do know of a turbo 20v 4age in a racecar with T50.... been running for a couple of seasons with no problems. Slipping the clutch for minimum wheels spin gives a good start with min shock.
T50 - split case can tend to distort under load causing the 2 halves to separate slightly between the bolts - bearings can get a bit out of line, also oil can leak out the gaps and cause failure.
Buy or adapt bellhousing to take W55 W57 or W58 - all are equally as strong.
Talk to the guys at Garage Dori
http://garagedori.com/forum/
A lot of these guys run 4agte with W55/57/58 etc. ask them about clutch plates etc. The bellhousings they use are made big enough to take the 4agze flywheel.
Ken
Taupo
NZ
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:41
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While I know the general consensus is that a T50 behind a forced induction 4A, or even an NA one if abused, will break.
But after a year of thrashing behind my 110rwkw ZE, my T50 is still in one piece. Lots of drift, 2nd gear clutch drops from 6000, donuts, even a bit of street driving every now and then. Sure, the synchros are rooted, but that has a lot to do with my 1-2 and 2-1 changing style.
I may just be lucky, and moving up to a W5* is a good idea, especially if you've already busted your box, but don't totally write off the good old T50.
Hen
[Updated on: Thu, 23 September 2004 09:49]
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brisvegas
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 09:52
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kinloud: thats exactly the info i needed to hear! many thanks!
joyride: sureley enough i have had it in there for about 4 mts..and it was a good low km jap box i got from Sir Kallem (wiring guru extrodinare) and i was actually suprised it put up with this much abuse! i really raped that box! cos i had a spare one and i was waiting for an excuse to rebuild it!
Henn: i don't wanna jinx you..so continue thrashing it..i will look into to the W58 conversion..anyone know of an approx price for all the bits needed..excluding laybour of course
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Thu, 23 September 2004 12:56
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mmm I agree with henn the T50 gets alot of bad press on here, and I dont think it deserves it. Having said that, if you're running one behind a forced induction setup and it eventually breaks it is a good excuse to goto a w5X box.
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May 2002
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Fri, 24 September 2004 09:00
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yeap..... W55 or later is the way to go.
Brendan@niteparts.co.nz has the bellhousings for you.
Standard ZE clutch good for 176kW at the wheels on bluetop 4age turbo.
Good for drag, and good for drift, 3rd, 4th and 5th gear over here.
kick it all day and still no problems.
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Banned user
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Liverpool NSW
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March 2004
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Fri, 24 September 2004 11:28
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Whats the difference between the aussie t50 and the jdm T50?
When going the 4age or ze do you need the jdm t50?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: stregthening a T-50
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Fri, 24 September 2004 11:36
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| drift86levin wrote on Thu, 23 September 2004 19:52 |
and i was actually suprised it put up with this much abuse! i really raped that box! cos i had a spare one and i was waiting for an excuse to rebuild it!
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thats just sik!
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