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1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 05:18 Go to next message
Hey guys. I have finally started my conversion, test fitted the engine on Friday and it looks great (JZX100 engine), like it was meant to be there. I have some pics that I will post up shortly for you all (sorry I still live in the dark ages and don't own a dig camera so I have to get film developed then scanned ect....)I just want to ask you guys a few more questions so here goes.

1. Radiator. Does it need to be triple cored or can I run with the one in the car now?

2. Wiring. Any tips on how to trick the auto ecu? or should I just bite the bullet and get a Haltech?

3. Intercooler. Using the one that came with the front cut looks like to much effort for its size. What is the longest cooler that will fit end tank to end tank size? JAZE what size piping were you able to run through this hole that you told me about? http://members.optushome.com.au/dbhebuild/coolerpiping.jpg
It looks mighty small on one side the other looks good though.

4. Fuel Pump. Will the stock one be fine or should I replace it?

5. Parts. Do you guys know anywhere in or around Brisbane where you can get parts for a 1JZ? I went down to the local Toyota Dealer and they have parts but won't sell them to me without a Compliance plate number. Mad I know you can get them from Penrith Toyota but if I can pick them up locally and quickly that would be better.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
1. Triple core would probably work better than the old stocko, but not sure if its neeeded

2. From reading similar threads, it seems easier\better in the long run to used Aftermarket ECU's and getting them tuned by a competent tuner.

4. I'm almost certain the stock fuel pump wont be up to the task

5. Toyota dealerships are wankers Razz
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
1. Go the triple core. I have one and the engine still gets warm sometimes (eg under load for extended periods on a hot day). MA61's suffer from poor front end airflow thanks to the funky 80's style front end, so cooling will always be an issue when you have power.

2. Can't help you there - first thing I did was chuck the auto in the bin! Smile

3. You can fit a massive cooler in the front of an MA61. My InterBrick(tm) squeezed in with no modifications once the aircon dryer and fan was out of the way.

http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/intercooler/medium_BigCooler10.jpg

4. Definitely replace the stock pump. I recommend a Walbro 255lph in-tank pump; 305rwhp on the dyno and it was definitely not leaning out (mixtures around 10:1). You can get them in a kit to suit an MA61 tank, it bolts straight in.

5. Haven't found any good dealers in Brisbane; I got my parts through a dealer at the GC. Can't remember exactly which one at the moment. See if you can find a chassis number from a JZX100, it will make life a lot easier. I had the foresight to take a photo of the build plate on my Aristo front cut, it's been used many times since!

http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/Aristo/Aristo27.jpg
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi mate Im about 1/2 way through exactly the same conversion...


1) YES get your radiator triple cored... Alternatively a 1990's V6 Camry Radiator is bigger and fits nicely (Also has twin thrmo fans and shrouds to boot

2) The easiest way to trick the Auto is to rip it out and fit a manual box

Im going a motec... more expensive but will properly control the VVTi with the camshaft position sensor... Haltech says that they can do it on the E11v2 with a rpm/load map but to this date they havnt been able to give me ANY details. Besides the Motec M400 is comparable in price

The only case of a haltech E11v2 running a vvti 1jz was in Zoom Mag No 78.. But he had the VVTi switched off...

3) Throw away the Chaser intercooler... although there thick they have very little surface area.. Ive got a Hybrid 300*600*75 on my car can be done with a simple bracket

4) What year is your MA61... Some have an in tank pump and some are external.. either way you can get a Walbro Pump that is a direct bolt in supporting 500hp at http://www.rabidchimp.com/ The stock pump will not be sufficient

5) Usually if you get a part number their fine.. I have a Toyota EPC for the VVTi 1JZ if you PM me and tell me what you need i will get you a part number... alternatively I can get you a fram number from a JZX100 or 110 chaser

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LOL what he said! Laughing
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey thanks guys.

Sorry I wasn't to clear on question 2. I have ripped the auto out and I'm using a w58. What I want to know is how to go about tricking the computer so it won't go into limp mode. Does anyone have any ideas on how to go about this?

Its good to hear that the hybrid fits cause that was what I was considering buying.

I thought the new haltech's could control VVTi at least that is what it says here http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath =24_25&products_id=92&detail=true
has anyone had any experience using a E6X on a VVTi Engine?

I have an 84 so pretty sure thats internal pump. I will go with the walbro on your advice. Thanks Very Happy

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok back to question 2...


The Easiest way I think to get the ECU to run a manual box is to give 12v to the Neutral safty switch... So the ECU thinks its in neutral and will rev away... I have actuallyheard two stories regarding the fabled limp mode... that it will be reduced power etc... I have seen a few of these conversions now and havnt come across the problem personally...

As for the VVTi and the Haltech... well yeah I emailed tweakit about 6 months ago when i was ecu shopping and they just said yes yes yes it would run and so did haltech...

I then rang them and questioned further... There VVTi and VTEC control only controlls the VVT solenoid via an RPM/Load Switch...

This means that there is only a high/low setting.. This makes it unsuitable for our motors as the VVTi is run off 3 things

A Camshaft position sensor

A Solinoid

Oil Pressure

Unfortunately you cant just switch the vvti solinoid on at a certain point as it will rotate the camshaft a whole 60 degrees (Not good)

There are three options... Use your factory computer. Save for a Motec. Use the haltech and switch your vvti off...

Option three isnt as bad as you may think.. you still get most of the benefits of the later design being; new head design; higher compression ratio (The reason for the better torque) and the single turbo...

Will get those part numbers to ya
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks stark that was what I was after. Looks like I will be using the factory computer until I can save up enough for the Motec. Unless anyone here would like to donate one to a worthy cause Laughing I will post a couple of pics up on my progress in the next couple of days.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hiya buccy, I have done a 1JZ-GTE VVTi into an RA23 Celica. I also used a W58. So if there is anything you want to know, drop me a PM. Factory ECU is the way to go, as "most" aftermarket computers are only capable of switching the VVTi solenoid on or off at a given RPM setting. If you really want to increase power later, use an interceptor/aftermarket ECU to change fuel and ignition maps. I picked up the tacho signal from the igniter. Limp home mode has not been encountered. My only Dyno run, was to check air/fuel ratios at the top end. But she punched out 170Kw at the treads. I will have a run in 'Shootout mode" 24th October.



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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message

What everyone else has said above Very Happy . And:

1. I'm 'getting-bye' on a stock (flushed) MA61 radiator with two 10" thermos and WatterWetter. OK if it's not Summer and you're not in traffic. But definitely not a long-term solution. I'm going tripple core (or something equally snazzy) within the next couple of months.

3. I'm using a generic 300x600x75 FMIC with no prob's. Only size issues will be the effect on where your IC piping is outed and where your battery is going to live.

4. Walbro internal 255 is just, damned perfect


Great pix - please keep 'em coming!

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah I don't think limp-home mode is much to worry about. Everyone told me I'd have issues like that with my auto 2JZ-GTE, but the ECU doesn't seem to care at all. I didn't do anything special, just bypassed the neutral switch and it ran fine!
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A bit more info on Q3.
The OD of the IC pipes is 59mm. They are the stock plastic ones from a JZA70 supra as JAZE was running the stock JZA70 IC.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yes, yes i was...... cheers for that. the 59 fits with a little room to move so a little bigger should work
ive used auto ecu twice, had no issues with limp home, but had some issues with the temperature climbing a little high with the stock radiator, a tripple core deffinately works alot better, but that idea about the camry radiator sounds good too. later model radiators tend to be alu and a little more efficient, and if it comes with themos and shrouds, it may be quite cost effective. best of luck and stay away from the haltech Smile
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 26 September 2004 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stark wrote on Sun, 26 September 2004 18:50


1) YES get your radiator triple cored... Alternatively a 1990's V6 Camry Radiator is bigger and fits nicely (Also has twin thrmo fans and shrouds to boot



Hi Stark,

Sorry for the thread hijack buccy (good to hear that it is all going well so far), but I am intruiged by the above rad suggestion.

What is the location of the outlets like, and what mods were required to make it fit ?

Were the fans push or pull ?

Cheers

Michael B

PS - I am going through the fun of making theI/C pipes now, but to suit a 7M-GTE & ARC in the MA61
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok I saw the radiator mod done on an MA61 with an MA61 with a 7M conversion about 3 years ago in Sydney when I was there last...


Unfortunately I dont have many details.... I saw the conversion and asked how he got thermo fans that looked so factory....

His reply was that it was a different radiator from a late eighties early nineties V6 Camry... Upon inspection the water outlets were in exactly the same position as the stock radiator..

The radiator physically is a little bit wider than the stock supra one and made from an aluminium core. The top mounts from the Camry were retrofitted to the front of the car and voila.

Please note though I have note done this only seen it... When I get round to it in a few weeks ill have more info....
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cheers for that info, I'll have to try and check it out, but any info that you can come up with will be greatly appreciated

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buccy

Yes, not many ECU's can handle the Toyota VVTi. I am running an Autronic SM2 and it can't do it. Are running twin computers - the original IS200 and the Autronic in parallel.

Will be trying the VVTi off the IS200 computer as the original 1G-FE motor was VVTi. To do this have fitted dual sensors on the motor so that all functions required are fed to both computers.

Won't know if it is successfull until it is fired up. If not will have to try without the VVTi. They tell me that it won't effect the top end power and only makes a difference to the low down torque.

Only computers to control the VVTi correctly are Motec and AEM.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey guys.

Thanks for all the replies. Stark and bbaacchhyy keep us updated on how you go with the Camry Radiator it sounds like a good little mod. I will stick with the stock one for a little while just to get everything up and running and then I will have to look at changing then.

The guys that how done this conversion or similar where did you run your intercooler pipes? Same place as in the picture or did you have to do some cutting? Some pics of your setup would be great Very Happy

Well getting in and doing some more work tomorrow and hopefully more through the week (I'm on holidays at the moment just got to motivate myself to get off my arse and do it) Will keep you all posted on how it goes. Thanks again

Buccy

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buccy! MA61 + 1JZ-GTE VVTi = Motivation. Get to it, you will absolutely love this engine! Guaranteed. Tyre frying heaven.


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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Is one of these from ebay alright or should I get it from somewhere else?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;category=72469&item=2491503111&rd=1
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you can get these pumps cheaper.. just look around a bit Wink they are also sold as "holley" branded pumps, but are identical (like a toyota lexcen Wink )

there are also high pressure versions available, which basically put out more flow when there are higher manifold pressures (fuel pump pressure = pressure drop across injectors+manifold pressure)

there are flow diagrams avialble at a few places on the net.

i have the exact kit in the pic if you want me to take any measurements (pump is like 40mmx120mm?) i'm using that small filter and the elec plug on my smaller walbro, but i have a larger filter to go on this one...

this one has the other filter in it (altho there are many filters.. and that is usually the difference between part numbers)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;category=72469&item=2491507155&rd=1& ;ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&rd=1&item=7923612744&category=3 3555
US$27

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&rd=1&item=7923586587&category=3 3555
US$88

Cya, Stewart
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Some pics of my IC piping:

http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/FinishingTouches/Engine01.jpg

http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/FinishingTouches/Engine02.jpg

http://www.norbie.net/Project2JZ/FinishingTouches/Engine03.jpg

I tried to keep the piping as short as possible, which is why I went to the trouble of running the IC->throttle pipe through the radiator support. Note this requires relocating the battery.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 27 September 2004 17:49

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;a mp;category=72469&item=2491507155&rd=1& ;amp ;ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&rd=1&item=7923612744&category=3 3555
US$27

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&rd=1&item=7923586587&category=3 3555
US$88

Cya, Stewart


Hi Stewart,

Yes they are cheaper to buy, but sometimes the shipping costs and GST/duty cahnge the end price considerably.

The best that I could get one here for was $185 ozzie from the states, but that implies no duty/GST, so for $209 from a local isn't too bad

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
maybe look for holley branded ones then Wink
i got one of mine for under $100 Shocked
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 27 September 2004 23:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;a mp;category=33555&item=7924045562&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;a mp;category=33555&item=7924045261&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&rd=1&item=7924045261&category=3 3555

a bit cheaper Wink

these holley ones ARE Walbros...
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/html/com pare_pumps.html

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cheers for that Stewart,

Made a bid on one, but what is the difference between the 255lph and 255lph high pressure as per the link provided ?

GSS346(M) GSS307(M) 255 ltr/hr
GSS347 GSS315 255 ltr/hr
GSS348 GSS317 255 ltr/hr
GSS349(M) GSS340(M) high-pressure 255
GSS350 GSS341 high-pressure 255
GSS351 GSS342 high-pressure 255

I guess I'll soon find out !!!!!!

Oooroo

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 01:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
this should help
http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/html/fps pecs.html
http://www.supras.nl/modsFuelPump.htm
http://www.supras.nl/images/FuelPumpChart.gif
http://www.materials.unsw.edu.au/~sford/walbro-flow-rates.jpg
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 01:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
and another fuel pump site (it's all coming back to me now Wink )
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htm
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cheers Stewart,

If things go to plan, I should be able to get the std 255lph (not HP) pump back here for about AUS $50.

As long as I stay below 60 psi fuel pressure, there is no real need for the HP version. Whhoooohhoooo

And I'll sell my 910 pump for heaps more

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 02:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 28 September 2004 11:50

Cheers Stewart,

If things go to plan, I should be able to get the std 255lph (not HP) pump back here for about AUS $50.


Cheers

Michael B


Any chance of lining up another (save on postage from the USA)! And me fixing you up accordingly?

Cheers
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAZE wrote on Mon, 27 September 2004 00:27

best of luck and stay away from the haltech Smile


Please explain?

While the E6X and E11's VVTi controll functions are fairly limitted compared to the top-end Motecs, they are excellent for all the factory niceties (idle control, etc.) and give you a heap of in/output options (as welll as datalogging) that you don't get with the bottom-shelf ECU's like Wolf and Microtech. Base maps are also available for non-VVTi 1 and JZ's and 1GG's.

I'm not trying to hijack this thread into a "my ECU is better than yours", I'm just curious where than comment came from.

cheers,

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 04:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message


FWIW:

Walbro high pressure fuel pumps
255ltrs per hour delivery
Includes filter and harness etc
Suit 200SX/Silvia, Supra turbo etc
$185
Ref#- ENWAL-185
In Stock
Import Blitz
Australia

That's less than I paid, once I got mine through customs, etc.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
for a "walbro" pump it's not bad, but for a Holley-Walbro pump, it's overpriced Wink

(edit: after all, who wants a holley pump for EFI.. don;t they just maek carby stuff? Rolling Eyes )

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what bosch pump is that diagram referring to?
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Davey wrote on Tue, 28 September 2004 23:49

what bosch pump is that diagram referring to?

the one talked about in the second link
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
specifically with regards to running the VVTI. no comments passed on other qualities etc, Smile
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 15:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAZE wrote on Wed, 29 September 2004 01:26

specifically with regards to running the VVTI. no comments passed on other qualities etc, Smile


To my knowledge the Haltech is an excellent aftermarket ECU.. For almost all applications I would rate them up there with the motecs and autronics

As for the VVTi well yeah its a bit of a mystery....

Haltech has informed me that there E11v2 ECU will control the infintely variable timing but are unable to tell me how it does it without interfacing with the camshaft position sensor... ie was only speaking to sales staff (No technical people were able to give me a call back)

They said that they make a load/rpm map for it however theres no way it can be infanitely variable (upto 60 degrees that is) without the ecu being able to measure the rotation and position of the camshaft comparative to TDC!!

So unless Haltech can give me a definitive answer or anyone else can enlighten me I will maintain that despite the marketing material the Haltech does VVT and simple VTEC based on a load/rpm switch but not VVTi.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Tue, 28 September 2004 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wilbo666 wrote on Tue, 28 September 2004 12:45

bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 28 September 2004 11:50

Cheers Stewart,

If things go to plan, I should be able to get the std 255lph (not HP) pump back here for about AUS $50.


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Any chance of lining up another (save on postage from the USA)! And me fixing you up accordingly?

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Wibo,

Sorry about the late reply, but the auction ended (only 2 hours left to bid) and I was at home 'cos I was covering nightshift. It ended up costing me USD $37.75 with postage being $18.75. The luink to the one I bid on was http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&item=7924045562&rd=1&sspagename =STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT and it seems his shipping rates are pretty good, so go for it yourself. Sorry I couldn't help, but it appeared that he didn't have another 255 lph one at the moment.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wibo,

Sorry about the late reply, but the auction ended (only 2 hours left to bid) and I was at home 'cos I was covering nightshift. It ended up costing me USD $37.75 with postage being $18.75. The luink to the one I bid on was http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ewItem&item=7924045562&rd=1&sspagename =STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT and it seems his shipping rates are pretty good, so go for it yourself. Sorry I couldn't help, but it appeared that he didn't have another 255 lph one at the moment.

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*cough* thread hijack! Sorry!

No worries mate! I'm in no rush, so I'll just keep my peepers on ebay and wait for a bargain...btw what method do you use to pay for something when its in the USA?

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'm not Michael, but Paypal is usually the easiest.
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justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 29 September 2004 10:35

I'm not Michael, but Paypal is usually the easiest.


Yep, what ^ said. On current exchange rates, it's AUS $52.88 Very Happy
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok here is some pics....
http://members.optusnet.com.au/buchan/engine1.JPG
http://members.optusnet.com.au/buchan/engine2.JPG
is this plug the Neutral safty switch
http://members.optusnet.com.au/buchan/plug.JPG
any other tips on wiring the car up would be great Smile
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
good to see it coming along Smile But sorry I have no idea about wiring.

When you are done, you should sand back those pipes a bit and the plug cover. You can ask Jag7799 the difference as his pipes looked pretty much identical to what yours do at the moment. I know that this is probably the last thing on your mind at the moment though Smile
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buccy

I can email you a spreadsheet file with all the wiring from the VVTi motor if needed. I purchased the complete translated wiring diagrams - it was the best thing I did.

Also, with a bit of cleaning up the engine can look like mine. Keep up the good work - it is well worth the effort.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
man yu guys heaps talented... Smile

since yu hav same engine as jzx100 chaser....i need sum info...

this car is straight from factory...its manual and curently has blitz catback and air intake and stock ecu. the prob is when accelerating full throttle it dusnt feel powerful as sumtin like 3/4.

wud a apexi safc or greddy emanage help this? wat otha solution is there? and also if yu get safc, where is place i can get it properli tuned in either sydney or canberra?
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'm not sure if this will help you or not, but I've got a brand new Power FC, boost control module and hand controller for an automatic JZX100. It definitely controls the VVTi, but I don't know how you'd go with using it on a manual converted car. I'm sure it would allow you to turn the shifting part off, although I'd check that with Apexi.

As far as I know, it's pretty rare, as I think it's the only Power FC model that is for an auto.

I wasn't planning on selling it, as I haven't even fitted it yet, but if you make me a nice offer, I could be talked into selling.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeh i think they do sell for manual cuz my bro ask advan guys in sydney.

i wud consider buyin ur powerfc and gear....but dun think u wud like my offer rite now... Smile unless yu wanna sell for 800

BTW do yu knw or anyone know the answer to my problem up there ^
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Sun, 26 September 2004 22:25

Yeah I don't think limp-home mode is much to worry about. Everyone told me I'd have issues like that with my auto 2JZ-GTE, but the ECU doesn't seem to care at all. I didn't do anything special, just bypassed the neutral switch and it ran fine!


thats because you wired it all properly
the reason everyones goes into limp mode is cause they do shitty wiring jobs and then just assume its the manual box in place of the auto

on the topic of radiators.. atm im making do with stock radiator(same as ma61) thats been reconditioned and the std clutch fan.. has never gone over half way on temp gauge yet.. will see how summer goes
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
banhbao wrote on Wed, 29 September 2004 20:34

yeh i think they do sell for manual cuz my bro ask advan guys in sydney.

i wud consider buyin ur powerfc and gear....but dun think u wud like my offer rite now... Smile unless yu wanna sell for 800

BTW do yu knw or anyone know the answer to my problem up there ^


You're right, I don't like your offer Smile I'm really not too interested in selling it as I've got a JZX100 on the way.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 29 September 2004 21:39

on the topic of radiators.. atm im making do with stock radiator(same as ma61) thats been reconditioned and the std clutch fan.. has never gone over half way on temp gauge yet.. will see how summer goes

You probably won't have much of a problem. Soarers have much better front-end airflow than MA61's (just compare the size of the grille) so I reckon your engine will stay cool even with a stock radiator.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Wed, 29 September 2004 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie wrote on Thu, 30 September 2004 09:52

Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 29 September 2004 21:39

on the topic of radiators.. atm im making do with stock radiator(same as ma61) thats been reconditioned and the std clutch fan.. has never gone over half way on temp gauge yet.. will see how summer goes

You probably won't have much of a problem. Soarers have much better front-end airflow than MA61's (just compare the size of the grille) so I reckon your engine will stay cool even with a stock radiator.


and the fact ive cut my front bar away aswell for the intercooler
so half the bar is gone letting more air get there(like pic below)

thats just what i wanted to hear
too broke for good radiator before summer lol
http://members.optushome.com.au/jag7799/car/jzz10/frontpaint.jpg

when you finish the car off buccy, id love to know how much diff over a TT 1jz there is

[Updated on: Wed, 29 September 2004 23:58]

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 03 October 2004 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey just a quick update. Everything is now back on the car just have a few more little wiring jobs to do and it will be ready for a test fire hopefully this weekend. Wish me luck.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 03 October 2004 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 10 October 2004 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well good news and bad news. Good news is it started and ran. Bad news it idles high (about 2500 to 3000 rpm I think didn't hava a tacho hooked up) and under any kind of throttle it runs like a dog and some times cuts out. Originally I thought it was because it was reading unmetered air, but after connecting everything up I had the same result. So does anyone out there have any idea what might be causing this? Wasn't a great end to my weekend and just to top things off a Holden won Bathurst Mad

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Sun, 10 October 2004 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Err double post. Nothing is going right for me lately.

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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 11 October 2004 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My 2JZ did a similar thing when the MAP sensor was disconnected and the ECU went into limp-home mode. In your case the MAF sensor might not be hooked up properly and/or you have a big air leak somewhere. Check the ECU error codes, that will tell you for sure.
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 11 October 2004 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah thats what I originally thought as well but after I hooked all the pipes up it did the same thing. Any idea on how to get the error codes out of her?
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 11 October 2004 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
For a 2JZ, yes. For a VVTi 1JZ, no. Do you have a service manual?
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Re: 1JZ VVTi ---> MA61 Conversion Under Way Mon, 11 October 2004 04:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
No unfortunatly, I have no idea where you would pick up an english one, be very helpful though. Anyway how different to your car could it be Very Happy ? It would have to be something to do with the diagnostics plug yeah?
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buccy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 12:16

No unfortunatly, I have no idea where you would pick up an english one, be very helpful though. Anyway how different to your car could it be Very Happy ? It would have to be something to do with the diagnostics plug yeah?

If its like any other Toyota, you connect T1 and E1 in the diagnotic plug (Timing and earth)

That works for 5MGE and 7MGE, I don't have any experience with any other factory ecu's
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