| Author | Topic |
|---|
Location:
Bayside Melbourne.
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 14:30
|
 |
I was bidding on this brand new 6.5" Alpine screen the other day on eBay.
Now, I read the seller's feedback and was a little worried that a couple of people weren't too happy with her auctions. So, I asked many, many, very specific questions about the sale and was satisfied that she would need to blatently lie to screw me over and hence I would have some legal grounds to counter screw.
Anyway, I was being the smart eBayer and waited until there was just over a minute remaining before I made my solitary bid of $701.50... I was the highest bidder and was set to win the auction.
16 seconds later she cancels the auction, and cancels all bids, without explaination!!!  
There was no reserve listed and nowhere in the description did it say she had the right to cancel the auction early.
First question... Did she have the right to do this? Is this allowable eBay practice?
Now I come to my second grievance with this woman... After being pissed off that I missed out on a good deal I started looking into her history... I found out that of the 12 or so auctions she's got in her feedback list there is a user by the name of "ohturbovs9" that has been bidding in 9 of them!
These auctions range from golf clubs to CD players to TV screens to Blink182 CD's and even an R33 Skyline! Now this ohturbovs9 character surely isn't interested in all these items, surely it is and alias of her's to bump up the price?
Pioneer DEH-P7450MP 5719727153
7" Pioneer screen. 5719728311
Pioneer AVH-P7500. 5717811119
Pioneer AVH-P7500. 5716226099
Callaway x 16 Irons. 3694645798
Taylor Made... 3694619743
Every Blink 182 CD 4031295651
Second question... Is she allowed to have a second account under which she can bid on her own auctions?
I have emailed her to ask why the auction was cancelled and her reply was, "yeh mate sold it off ebay. I have other for sale if you want"
I then sent an email back asking about the ohturbovs9 person to which she said, "I dont know y that user ohturbovs9 has bidded on my items. I can understand that it may seem dodgy but I have not idea who it is. I can sell you the same monitor for 1050 rrp is 1350 and this is brand new in the box."
Now doesn't it seem like she still has the monitor and cancelled the auction because it wasn't going for enough? Isn't that what a reserve is for?
I really wanted this thing for $701.50 and that is why I bid for it. Can I get her in trouble or force her to cough up the one she still has, for that price?
Any help appreciated... and if you have read this far. Gold star to you. 
[Updated on: Thu, 30 September 2004 00:48]
|
|
|
Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
Registered:
October 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 14:36
|
|
i think she does have a right to cancel the auction before, but not after.
Having dummy bidders is also illegal 
There are many good deals on there, so tell her to get fucked and get another one 
|
|
|
Location:
perth WA
Registered:
June 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 14:39
|
|
If she has offered you that item via e-mail and you still have it, send that e-mail off to ebay and ask them to look into her dealing, especially the item you wanted. They may be able to help you.
There are pretty strict rules when it comes to selling on ebay, and if she has not followed them to the letter, she could be in the poop
|
|
|
Location:
Bayside Melbourne.
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 14:42
|
|
I've been looking for a while and that is definitely the best deal that I have seen in a while... Good brand, new in box, within my price range. That's why I'm pissed off.
I was wondering if I can threaten to get her in trouble and maybe squeese the other one out of her at the cheaper price? I need to know where I stand though first.
|
|
|
Location:
perth WA
Registered:
June 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 14:45
|
|
|
contact ebay
|
|
|
Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 16:03
|
|
yup, something about not cancelling an auction within the last 12hours if someone has bid?? can't remember..
dummy bidding is a no no as far as ebay is concerned...
send al your evidence to ebay and have her 'struck off'
| Quote: |
this is a legal con. Buyer bluetalon911 ( 0 )
14-Sep-04 13:44 5718140047
Reply by ralphy2323: it is not a legal con look how many people are doing it and works
|
nice reply there 
dob em in they have such fantastic feedback that this is probably not their first username anyway...
i rarely deal with anyone without substantial feedback of close to 100%.. you have little legal recourse for items off ebay.."as is" and all.. so just be very careful..
also ask if these items still have serial numbers a few ppl i know of have gotten items with the numbers obscured or filed off  not good.
|
|
|
Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 16:04
|
|
|
oh, and avoid auctions with many bidders or with lots of bidders with little or no feedback (like less than 5)... ebay newbies are either a sellers delight, or dummy bidding.
|
|
|
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 16:35
|
|
after going thru the lenghty procedure of clearing ym name due to ebays mistake im sure they will love to hear from you to uphold their high so called moral grounds
dummy bidders are fraudelent to start off with and as stu stated by memory your not allowed to cancel an auction within the last 12 hours if its been bidded upon
they can and will track her ip addy to an isp etc for botha ccounts to ensure its not fraudelent
|
|
|
Registered:
April 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 17:46
|
|
BUT BUT BUT...
As a seller... it pisses me off when people wait till the last minute to bid. I mean seriously... whats the point... you should just have 1 day auctions.
If NOONE bids and then in the last minute a few people have a hit, your not gonna get much more than your starting price and to me that makes ebay useless.
|
|
|
Location:
perth WA
Registered:
June 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 18:18
|
|
|
That is why you set your reserve, if it does not reach it, then no sale. Simple.
|
|
|
Location:
Gawler, SA
Registered:
August 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Wed, 29 September 2004 23:08
|
|
|
Seen this happen a few times lately, mainly with things like 0 amps with $300+ which only go for $50 and then they magically appear the next day, same person, same pics and everything.
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Sutho/Hills NSW
Registered:
September 2002
|
|
|
Location:
Bayside Melbourne.
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 00:42
|
|
I forgot to post the link to the item. Alpine monitor
oldcorollas, As for the bad feedback that person left, I think it would be from selling one of those websites "where you can buy the item for a low price" as opposed to selling the actual item. Some people don't read the description properly when buying.
ellen, bidding at the last minute is a perfectly fine way of going about buying items from eBay. It must be frustrating for sellers but that is about it. No-one is lying, no-one is defrauding anyone else, nothing unethical or dishonest is occuring. I think if it is annoying then just set a reserve and be done with it.
When I have some time today I will try and find the person from eBay that I should contact, and read up more on the rules. 
|
|
|
Location:
Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 03:10
|
|
| ellen wrote on Thu, 30 September 2004 03:46 |
BUT BUT BUT...
As a seller... it pisses me off when people wait till the last minute to bid. I mean seriously... whats the point... you should just have 1 day auctions.
If NOONE bids and then in the last minute a few people have a hit, your not gonna get much more than your starting price and to me that makes ebay useless.
|
I'm a last minute bidder myself and it pisses me off having to wait for 10 day listings to come to a close. Or even more annoying is when I've been watching an item for 5 days, and because they havn't got a bid yet, the arseholes pull the item from sale to try and sell locally, but I very well know that the item is going to pull some last minute bids to how rare and valuable it is, IE: the last time that happened to me was with a pair of 200mhz ppro 1mb cache cpu's that had a start bid of $20. That item would have had a helluva battle in the last day.
Your advantage for a long time listing is so people get to see it. No advantage to me whatsoever.
But you ask what's the point, well, I hate to be outbid by a bunch of n00bs that have no idea on what the item is worth. You know the morons that just have to have their name listed as the highest bidder, or they think that with my resonably high feedback that it must be worth more than what I'm bidding for it. You love them though as a seller, but I hate them. Seriously, I ask what's the point of having 20 bids on an item with 9 days left before closing? It puts me right off an item straight away even if the amount is less than what I'm willing to pay, I just couldn't be bothered with trying to outbid dumbarses.
In the end though, if the item is worth anything, you generally will get a good price even with last minute snipe wars. I personally have had to pull out of some of them due to the price going to ridiculous prices in the last 2 minutes. Seriously, you'll usually end up with at least 5 people who have watched the item for it's entire duration only to have them war with each other within the last 60 seconds. You'll have an item go from $1 to $100+ easily in that short timeframe if it's worth that much, and typically those that snipe like myself actually know what the item should be worth 2nd hand.
So some hints to you:
1. Have a start price of what you think that the item should be worth. If noone bids at all, then it's a good indication it's too high, so just relist with a lower price next time.
2. Have a buy it now option along with a lower starting bid. EG: have a buy it now for $50 and a starting bid of $30 or so.
3. Pictures and information. It's really annoying to see a 3 page auction listing with only a 20 word description and the rest is just shitty borders, unrelated pictures and 500 words on your terms and conditions. All I want is as much info on the item as possible, pictures all around the item, and your exact location and postcode to determine postage instead of just "australia" as location.
|
|
|
Location:
perth WA
Registered:
June 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 04:01
|
|
|
SIMDOG, just looked at the link, is the seller Ralphy2323?. If it is it says they are no lomger a registered user.
|
|
|
Location:
Bayside Melbourne.
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 04:33
|
|
| stumpy wrote on Thu, 30 September 2004 14:01 |
SIMDOG, just looked at the link, is the seller Ralphy2323?. If it is it says they are no lomger a registered user.
|
Hahahaa... That must have happened in the last day or two. I don't think it said that when I last looked.
Perhaps she anticipated the possible problems I was going to cause her and closed down one of her accounts. 
|
|
|
Location:
Land of Oz
Registered:
June 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 05:28
|
|
Hi,
I'd still forward the details onto eBay, so they can sought this seller out.
Last second bidders are called snipers. Some sellers like them, but most don't. They come in hard and quick, with no time for other bidders to counter an offer. They work on the premise that the current bidders aren't bidding too high and they'll get the item at a better price.
I've been on eBay for a number of years now, and I now know who some of the snipers are. If you bid carefully and with some calculated risk, you can cost the snipers dearly. I've been doing this for over a year now and it's really quite good fun.
Also, always check the sellers feedback and stay away from those with anything more than a couple of bad feedbacks. Also, check the feedback of the buyer that did the complain - often the buyers have bad track records. Furthermore, check the bidders in your auction (if you're buying) to see what they've bought lately, how much they paid, and if they're snipers. This will give you an idea of the competition your bidding against and you may change your bidding strategy.
It's like a big game - pity it involves money, or I'd do it more often.
seeyuzz
river
|
|
|
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
May 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 10:16
|
|
|
even more fun when u treat it as u vs r.o.w
|
|
|
Location:
Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Registered:
May 2002
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Thu, 30 September 2004 23:38
|
|
| river wrote on Thu, 30 September 2004 15:28 |
Hi,
I'd still forward the details onto eBay, so they can sought this seller out.
Last second bidders are called snipers. Some sellers like them, but most don't. They come in hard and quick, with no time for other bidders to counter an offer. They work on the premise that the current bidders aren't bidding too high and they'll get the item at a better price.
I've been on eBay for a number of years now, and I now know who some of the snipers are. If you bid carefully and with some calculated risk, you can cost the snipers dearly. I've been doing this for over a year now and it's really quite good fun.
Also, always check the sellers feedback and stay away from those with anything more than a couple of bad feedbacks. Also, check the feedback of the buyer that did the complain - often the buyers have bad track records. Furthermore, check the bidders in your auction (if you're buying) to see what they've bought lately, how much they paid, and if they're snipers. This will give you an idea of the competition your bidding against and you may change your bidding strategy.
It's like a big game - pity it involves money, or I'd do it more often.
seeyuzz
river
|
Heh, I do that too. I look up the feedback of other bidders and look at their last auctions and see if they sniped or if they were just huge proxy bidders.
My other complaint about sellers is when they don't have "standard" bank deposit accounts and because those state specific banks don't have branches up here I have to then waste another ~$3 on sending a money order. Gives me the shits, especially since 99% of the time you only find that out when the auction is finished. So to add to what I put earlier above, put what bank the deposit is to go into in the auction description as well.
|
|
|
Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Fri, 01 October 2004 12:45
|
|
Just a few consise points in summary of what is discussed above;
1. Using another person or alias to boost the price of your auctions is called 'shill bidding' or 'shilling' and is not permitted on eBay.
2. There are a limited set of circumstances under which the seller may withdraw an item ~ error in listing, no longer available, lost or damaged, and one more I think.
It is unfortunately common practice for sellers to yank listings at the last minute if the price doesn't suit their purposes. This especially to be expected with 'new in box' product or sellers selling commercial quantities of something; obviously they are a commercial operation with a buy price and a margin. In this case 'starts at $1 no reserve' is a ploy to encourage interest and bids for the listing and no business person will allow their stock to go for less than the retail price.
3. If she offered to sell a monitor listed on eBay to you outside the ebay system, then she is in breach of eBay guidelines and can be sanctioned/banned.
|
|
|
Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
Registered:
October 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Fri, 01 October 2004 12:47
|
|
|
never buy outside of ebay...i learnt the hard way
|
|
|
Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 08:57
|
|
River u gotta put a post up on how to work ebay i never looked into it that deeply i didn't know people abused it that much.
Also lets say hypotheticly me and a friend both have things for sale on ebay,can he bid on my stuff to raise the price and i do the same for him ?
Because these are both real people with real accounts.
And if we were to win our friends item then they could keep and relist it ?
|
|
|
I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 09:09
|
|
| dimmy77_03 wrote on Fri, 01 October 2004 22:17 |
never buy outside of ebay...i learnt the hard way
|
me too, I got done by some little prick selling a mobile phone...
Never again will I buy outside of ebay
|
|
|
Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 09:38
|
|
| Quote: |
1. Using another person or alias to boost the price of your auctions is called 'shill bidding' or 'shilling' and is not permitted on eBay.
|
| Quote: |
Also lets say hypotheticly me and a friend both have things for sale on ebay,can he bid on my stuff to raise the price and i do the same for him ?
Because these are both real people with real accounts.
|
How did you go with the Warmergotchis?
|
|
|
Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 09:40
|
|
|
nope
|
|
|
Location:
melbourne
Registered:
October 2003
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 10:27
|
|
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Tue, 05 October 2004 19:09 |
| dimmy77_03 wrote on Fri, 01 October 2004 22:17 |
never buy outside of ebay...i learnt the hard way
|
me too, I got done by some little prick selling a mobile phone...
Never again will I buy outside of ebay
|
i think i just got fucked "inside" of ebay.
i emailed this guy about a buy it now price outside of ebay, BUT, i made him set up a new auction for it (nokia 6230), so that i could get it legit, and under ebays jurisdiction and rules. so all went ahead, and ive transfered the money, now he has 5 new negative feedback comments (his profile has been changed to private:s), and he is no longer a registered user.
plus i havent had an email in over a week.
this whole situation seems fucked to me, and i think i may have been ripped, hard.
does anyone know how much ebay reimburse you for when this shit happens?
link - http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&a mp;rd=1&item=6322517999&ssPageName=STRK:ME WN:IT
|
|
|
Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
|
|
Re: Dodgy b!tch on eBay.
|
Tue, 05 October 2004 12:15
|
|
$400aud, best bet is to buy in aust and with ppl with more than 10+ feedback for items under $50 
|
|
|
