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sydney
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January 2003
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 02:55
 
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Two cars "apparently" driving together constitutes a drag race? WTF?
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Location:
Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 02:58
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yeah and how come they have a picture of a commodore you think they wuold have to have some pictures of loutish behaviour in a skyline.
Just like the damn beaurecrats though they were together so it must have been a race
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:52
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"The Victorian Government said today it is considering mandatory defensive driving classes for learner drivers in response to this latest tragedy."
I hope if they do this then it is a proper course and not a stupid computer test.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:55
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| Evan wrote on Tue, 05 October 2004 15:22 |
"The Victorian Government said today it is considering mandatory defensive driving classes for learner drivers in response to this latest tragedy."
I hope if they do this then it is a proper course and not a stupid computer test.
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It wont be a proper test becuase that would cost too much money. money that could go to feeding pollies thier $200 lunches 
PS it will neva happen, simple as that...
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Location:
1st street on the right
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November 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 06:34
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"We are trying to sort out why they were travelling together"
Next it will be illegal to be within 500m of another car, then it will be illegal for two cars to be travelling in the same direction to a similar destination, then only one car per road at a time and all cars to be fitted with square wheels to linit speed.
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Location:
Liverpool, Sydney
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 07:21
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yeah i just saw it on the news just then....
the skyline and civic?
i cant eblieve that much damage done to a car and the people in the front two seats survived.... that skyline was a mess.
but its always drag racing, everything is drag racing, no matter what you do, its ridiculous.
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Location:
Kellyville, Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 07:59
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even if it wasnt drag racing the guy driving the skyline is still a dick
chris
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 08:04
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Cmon guys IMO theres a 90% chance that they were actually racing.
Too many people are dying on our roads.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
sydney.au
Registered:
August 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 08:38
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good to see the honda stopped and didnt flee
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Location:
camden
Registered:
April 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 10:13
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HEHE.... i get these courses for free coz my dad works for ian luff and runs these courses at oran park HEHEHEEHE
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Location:
Lismore, NSW
Registered:
February 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 10:51
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XiL3D who's the hotty on your avatar holding the toyota sign up?
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Location:
perth WA
Registered:
June 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 11:08
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I don't know where he got that photo of my girlfriend from
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Location:
Land of Oz
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June 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 11:39
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Hi,
Defensive and other sort of driving courses would be a waste on some people. It's a bit late to think what a dick you've been when your car is flying sideways into a pole at 120kph. Bit late to put those skills to use.
You can't put brains in statues.
seeyuzz
river
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
November 2003
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 12:07
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Defensive driving Lesson one: How to drag with out going into a poll.
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Location:
Liverpool, Sydney
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 14:36
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When i watched the news, it said the cars were exceeding the '70 kms/h' limit...
They must have been going at unbeleivable speeds to do that sort of damage to the car, they showed the road and it was a long flat stretch ( from memory) so i dont know how they managed to lose coontrol and crash like that?
You could barely recognise the car, apart from the headlights...
Aparently the guys in the civic were mates... 4 in the skyline, 3 in the civic.
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 15:12
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drift?
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Location:
Epping, Sydney
Registered:
April 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 23:13
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how ghey is teh picture too!
where did they take that? the drags? they is teh sux0r
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Tue, 05 October 2004 23:22
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Fully sick hanging out of window drags
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 02:54
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| rthy wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 09:22 |
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WTF? 
And on a serious note...
Driver education will help the general populace to be safer on the roads, and I think it's a great idea. But I don't think it's gonna stop people from drag racing or fooling around on the roads, it's just gonna make them safer doing it (kinda).
It's just kids acting without thinking. Sometimes they fuck up and die, or kill people. It sounds like a horrible thing to say, but it's not that bad. Our government and the people in it economically suppress other countries and indirectly kill thousands of children each year for profit and cheap shoes. That's much more malicious and wrong than someone risking their life for a thrill IMHO.
Although, I do from time to time see people do retarded things on the roads around pedestrians or other traffic and think "idiot, go find somewhere quieter to do that shit."
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I Supported Toymods
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 03:12
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The majority of the damage done to the skyline would have been from where they cut / jaw of life'd the people out of the back seat... not from the accident.
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 03:17
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shit i just saw the report,and it was about 50m from my house on dandenong Rd,lucky i was in Sydney..im getting sick of trying to pull half dead cunts out of their cars..
as for solutions to these type of problems..
better training,weekend track days promoted as the only place to be racing etc..and by no means should you be able to drive quick cars with under 5 years driving exp and adequate training...
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Location:
Ballarat, Vic.
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September 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 03:43
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People will allways race/drift/do burnouts on the street etc. no matter what. People say take it to the track etc. But not everyone can afford to, or get to the track at the times they are open etc.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Central Coast
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 04:12
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 05 October 2004 22:06 |
I wonder what kinda Skyline it was. Anyone know? Why would even a GTS-T Skyline race a Honda?
Just saw the news update. R33 Skyline something. Probably a GTS.
It's too bad that these things happen.
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Depending on what the Hondah was, stocko R33's aren't by any means supah fast!
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 04:13
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| Clown wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 13:43 |
People will allways race/drift/do burnouts on the street etc. no matter what. People say take it to the track etc. But not everyone can afford to, or get to the track at the times they are open etc.
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exactly! there is never going to be a single solution to this problem,but there are many things that can be done to reduce it...Id like to see everyone convicted of driving 30km over the speed limit do the defensive driving course I had to do,and also see some of the images and footage of crash victims etc..Once again, I cannot emphasise enough the fact these possible solutions will not be the answer to everything,there will always be dickheads on the road,the trick is to have enough broad educational tools to get through to different people with different mindsets.
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Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered:
January 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 06:54
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theres only one way to stop P platers, force them to drive AE80 auto 1.3l Carb  and or any excel 
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Location:
Ballarat, Vic.
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September 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 08:05
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| rthy wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 16:54 |
theres only one way to stop P platers, force them to drive AE80 auto 1.3l Carb and or any excel
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thats one of the most stupidest things ive ever heard why...... cos no matter what people drive they'll allways try to race/ark it up..... damn n00bs
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Location:
Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 09:57
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thats not drag racing, its street racing, i'd love to see ANDRA sue the media/pollies for giving legal drag-racing a bad name, fuck that'd be funny 
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Elwood, Melb
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August 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 10:14
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Yeah it was an R33 GTS-t, flon Blitz I/C, P-plates, right near Chapel St, sounds to me they should of been crusing in an Excel and not with something with so much power. Seriously though any Tom, Dick and Harry can get a powerful import, but it comes down to the driver/Are they capable? Like who the fuck slams into a pole on a straight road (depending on the conditions, maybe?), because I've never seen it happen at any Drag meets. ANyone see what I'm getting at?
Anyway I'm happy it's no one I knew or even off this forum, sad to happen, but it also gives the majority of us enthusists a hard time.
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 10:20
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I think the media have taken things a bit far here though... they are just blaming all of the worlds problems on speed again.
Every accident I have ever seen was due to poor judgement / lack of concentration rather than excessive (uncontrollable) speed.
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1st street on the right
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November 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 10:26
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Of course you could just think of it as two less fuckers that we have to worry about running into us now.
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 10:31
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Skyline public enemy no 1!
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I supported Toymods
Location:
fairfield NSW
Registered:
January 2003
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Location:
townsville NQLD
Registered:
February 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 11:13
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hehehe.....skyline's worst enemy.
maybe a power restriction should be in place for p platers not overboard....but enough for them to have a couple years experiance in the "lower" powered car. in queensland they have that for motorbikes. for the first couple years u can only have a bike with a engine capacity no greater than 250cc . all up to the driver's capability, some people are more capable/suited to driving faster cars.
practice makes perfect 
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 11:50
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Yes they are blaming speed again. I read from a govornment report that the current speed crackdown was trying to reduce road deaths by 20%. But according to the same report, 20% of road deaths are due to speeding. Firstly, you will NEVER be able to reduce road accidents due to speeding to 0% without stopping cars from being able to break the speed limit. Secondly, WHAT THE HELL IS THE OTHER 80% AND WHY AREN'T THEY FOCUSING ON THAT?!
Anyway, it's sad that these kids died.
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 12:10
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| Shraka wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 21:50 |
Yes they are blaming speed again. I read from a govornment report that the current speed crackdown was trying to reduce road deaths by 20%. But according to the same report, 20% of road deaths are due to speeding. Firstly, you will NEVER be able to reduce road accidents due to speeding to 0% without stopping cars from being able to break the speed limit. Secondly, WHAT THE HELL IS THE OTHER 80% AND WHY AREN'T THEY FOCUSING ON THAT?!
Anyway, it's sad that these kids died.
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I think its sad that the skyline died... it could have been sold to buy a decent toyota!
If you can't drive in a straight line then you should either get a wheel alignment or get off the road I think!
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I Supported Toymods
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melbourne.vic.au
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 12:21
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What I blame for drag racing is the introduction to the show "The Fast and the Furious" and "Too Fast Too Furious" which introduced "Ricing" cars, NOS and Turbos...
That movie inspires children wanting to get fast cars and when they do get it, they drive it without any thought...
That is my 2 cents worth. -
I hope that I did not offend anyone and will retract comment if needed
Cheers.
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 12:46
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| Clown wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 18:05 |
| rthy wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 16:54 |
theres only one way to stop P platers, force them to drive AE80 auto 1.3l Carb and or any excel
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thats one of the most stupidest things ive ever heard why...... cos no matter what people drive they'll allways try to race/ark it up..... damn n00bs
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from what iv seen people (P platers) tend to give it more when they got some power (such as excels, lancers, corollas, etc..)
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Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Wed, 06 October 2004 12:48
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I agree there should be restrictions on the types of cars available to young drivers (hey i'm 25, doesn't worry me!)
But having said that it's still quite easy to lose it in a 'Starfire' powered 'rona let alone a true performance car. Going onto Tom Uglys bridge with the rear end unintentionally sideways across 2 and a half lanes is not fun...
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Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Thu, 07 October 2004 07:21
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| SillyCar88 wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 20:14 |
Like who the fuck slams into a pole on a straight road (depending on the conditions, maybe?), because I've never seen it happen at any Drag meets. ANyone
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u sir, are a cockhead, how many drag races have u been to, 1 basic street-meet is all i'm guessing, i have seen some accidents that make me shivver when i recall the events in my head, so fuck-up or fuck-off
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Elwood, Melb
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August 2003
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Thu, 07 October 2004 12:11
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DUDE!
Why try and insult me, fine you can point out what you think is wrong, but name-calling is unnecessary. Anyway trust me I've been to plenty on drag meets, I just haven't seen someone hit a wall or anything, SIMPLE isn't it? I'm not at every drag meet that HAS an accident. So shut your mouth!
By the way I've never been or want to go to any street drags,don't make assumptions!
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Liverpool, Sydney
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September 2004
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Thu, 07 October 2004 14:21
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But if you havent been/dont want to go then you cant really make assumptions...
It really depends... sometimes at the runs you have the usual dickhead bogans doing burnouts and shit, drawing attention to you when you dont need it, and acting like just because they are at all illegal event, because they are breaking the law anyways, that they dont need to act like they have a licsense hence their behaviour...
But i have also found ( and this is with a mass group of cars) that when police and such do rock up, everyone jumping in their cars and trying to leave, everyone lets everyone in, nobody panics and freaks out and crashes, and are generally pretty curteous.
Sometimes its quite amazing to watch and everyone gets out safe and well.
This is from my personal veiwing, i have only seen one accident at the runs, and it was 2 mates accidentally crashinginto each other, one doing a u turn with no lights on, and the other driving up the road and not seeing him, t-boned him, and there you go. Even then, they were both still trying to figureout how it happened. I have heard about accidents at the runs when people freak out and etc, like the guy who got run over and killed when the cops rocked up... last year or the year before wasnt it?
Its probably also the fact they were P platers, i mean, do you ever hear stories about mddle ages people runnig and driving cars too powerful for them? I mean yeah you can restrict the amount of power someone has in their car, but then once they hit the age limit, or whatever it is, and can go up in power class, wouldnt it be like learning to drive and control the car all over again>? And as said, conditions permitting, it is possible to lose control of any vehicle....
Neko ^-^
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The Rainy City
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May 2002
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Re: 2 die in a drag race
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Fri, 08 October 2004 05:09
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Guys, spare a thought for the deceased: they werent the drivers.
That stretch of road is 'notorious' for drag racing, and for good reason. Anyone who lives in Melbourne knows of that stretch and its proximity to Habibs street er, Chapel street.
cheers,
tom.
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