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Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Tue, 05 October 2004 12:22
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Anyone ever used either of each?
I'm still on the hunt for a good lift pump but still cant find anyone locally thats can supply one for a reasonable price 
So i'm most probably look at getting one from ebay or shopping in the US. The Holley Red which flows 97gph come in at about $90US but I dont know if they are suitable for lifting fuel? Anyone know?
The Carter CRT-P4600HP which flows 100gph and comes in at around $80US. But again I dont know if these handle lifting fuel 
Any help? Thanks
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 00:14
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Yeah i used to have a carter on my 308. Was a very reliable pump, reasonably quiet and yes they will lift. Im pretty sure it was the same model as you have specified, it must have been to supply 200kW worth of fuel.
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 04:11
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Great. Thanks
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 05:49
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I used a carter for my lift pump Shane. No problem. Bit of overkill for a lift only, but no worries.
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 09:40
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www.jegs.com
or try automotive service solutions, they are on newmarket rd windsor, opposite harrys diner, all they do is EFI gear, have some cool shit there {used to be called petro-ject}
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 10:25
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Hey Steve, do you know what model pump you have?
Phil, I rang the guys on Newmarket road and they want something like $300 for a Carter which is more than twice I can get one for from the US
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 11:33
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ive got a holley blue..its yet to be started but im told they are the ducks guts..
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 11:41
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The Holley blue is a bit of over kill for a lift pump. Plus I dont want to have to pay extra money just for the regulator that comes with them
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 12:27
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 06 October 2004 19:33 |
ive got a holley blue..its yet to be started but im told they are the ducks guts..
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They are o.k., bit noisy, hardly the ducks guts though
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Wed, 06 October 2004 13:36
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carters are much quieter than the holleys
but you can pick up the holleys a lot cheaper than carters off ebay...
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 05:13
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I have a spare carter Shane. It's your's for nix if you want it but it needs a seal kit as it leaks a bit. Get a price on a seal kit (perhaps bearing shop may be able to assist with generic size - I havn't opened it up at all to inspect it)
You have to collect it tho, I don't want to post it - smelly smelly - postie won't like it..
I'll get the model # in the interim.
Steve
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 08:57
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Yeah mate, i'm interested for sure. I'll wait for you to get the model for me.
Thanks mate
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 09:38
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"Pro Comp 70 series. part number 4070".
FYI
S
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 09:41
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Looks like this one?
Consider it sold 
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:02
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The carter pump in that pic can only be run in the one position mounted from the top , the fitting sizes are not bsb threads . And the studs use little rubber pads onto the mounting plate with doesn't stop any pump noise , yes even new those pumps are are very noisy . So you have to double the noise insulation with anti vib mounts , like a/c hose mounts .
After all this the pump/mount etc is so long that you need lots of room under the car . Yes there have to be mounted under the car because the weap fuel and smell all the time . As for the weight of those unit , there maybe as much as three bosch units .
Current draw from the car i just relocated them in {yes the owner had to use ear plugs on long trips}, which had two was nearly 1Amp which is crazy compaired to the flow and pressure from them  .
With a bosch pump which has 70-80psi , flow for 500-550hp for $175 from them direct why bother with these . There are for tractors as Steve suggested , or inefficient old school v8s .
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:14
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| improvedae86 wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 20:02 |
With a bosch pump which has 70-80psi , flow for 500-550hp for $175 from them direct why bother with these . There are for tractors as Steve suggested , or inefficient old school v8s .
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I need a lift pump, not a high pressure pump. Any ideas for a lift pump?
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:15
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| Steve_Reynolds wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 19:46 |
Nope . It looks very much like a Holley Red/blue pump (which looks better than that tractor pump you found 
EDIT: Sorry, I have a Carter in the car, the spare is a Mallory  , part nubers as above. The Mallory looks like a holley. I have a digi pic handy but can't host it. can e-mail it to you? The Mallory is the leaking obe you can have, not the Carter. Boy I'm having a shocker......
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Email would be good thanks. shanej@iinet.net.au
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:17
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You have email
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:23
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Thanks. So what model carter do you have in your car now? Also are these mallorys ok? And are they able to lift?
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:32
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Not near the car tonight so get model # 4 u later.
I mount all my priming or lift pumps below the tank so they themselves are always primed. I doubt it would work mounted above the fuel level in your tank tho?? Anyways.. I'm gorn.......
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 10:59
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| improvedae86 wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 18:02 |
The carter pump in that pic can only be run in the one position mounted from the top , the fitting sizes are not bsb threads . And the studs use little rubber pads onto the mounting plate with doesn't stop any pump noise , yes even new those pumps are are very noisy . So you have to double the noise insulation with anti vib mounts , like a/c hose mounts .
After all this the pump/mount etc is so long that you need lots of room under the car . Yes there have to be mounted under the car because the weap fuel and smell all the time . As for the weight of those unit , there maybe as much as three bosch units .
Current draw from the car i just relocated them in {yes the owner had to use ear plugs on long trips}, which had two was nearly 1Amp which is crazy compaired to the flow and pressure from them .
With a bosch pump which has 70-80psi , flow for 500-550hp for $175 from them direct why bother with these . There are for tractors as Steve suggested , or inefficient old school v8s .
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That sounds totally different to my experience with these pumps. I had mine mounted in the boot, it had absolutely no fuel leakage and it was pretty bloody quiet. If you think the carter is noisy you should have a listen to a holley or my Bosch 044 eeekkkk!
Have nothing at all bad to say about the carter pumps!
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 11:01
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| Steve_Reynolds wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 18:32 |
Not near the car tonight so get model # 4 u later.
I mount all my priming or lift pumps below the tank so they themselves are always primed. I doubt it would work mounted above the fuel level in your tank tho?? Anyways.. I'm gorn.......
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Had mine mounted in the boot above the fuel tank, no problems at all.
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 13:14
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| Skip wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 20:59 |
| improvedae86 wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 18:02 |
The carter pump in that pic can only be run in the one position mounted from the top , the fitting sizes are not bsb threads . And the studs use little rubber pads onto the mounting plate with doesn't stop any pump noise , yes even new those pumps are are very noisy . So you have to double the noise insulation with anti vib mounts , like a/c hose mounts .
After all this the pump/mount etc is so long that you need lots of room under the car . Yes there have to be mounted under the car because the weap fuel and smell all the time . As for the weight of those unit , there maybe as much as three bosch units .
Current draw from the car i just relocated them in {yes the owner had to use ear plugs on long trips}, which had two was nearly 1Amp which is crazy compaired to the flow and pressure from them .
With a bosch pump which has 70-80psi , flow for 500-550hp for $175 from them direct why bother with these . There are for tractors as Steve suggested , or inefficient old school v8s .
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That sounds totally different to my experience with these pumps. I had mine mounted in the boot, it had absolutely no fuel leakage and it was pretty bloody quiet. If you think the carter is noisy you should have a listen to a holley or my Bosch 044 eeekkkk!
Have nothing at all bad to say about the carter pumps!
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ive been using one of these carter pumps as well and they are top notch, for old skool carb applications they actually recommend that you dont use a reg as they are self regulating at the correct pressure (about 3.5psi)
the holleys are about 5 times louder than the carter pumps as well
not sure why people are slagging them off, i have heard nothing but good things about them!
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 13:51
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| pro_ke wrote on Thu, 07 October 2004 23:14 |
ive been using one of these carter pumps as well and they are top notch, for old skool carb applications they actually recommend that you dont use a reg as they are self regulating at the correct pressure (about 3.5psi)
the holleys are about 5 times louder than the carter pumps as well
not sure why people are slagging them off, i have heard nothing but good things about them!
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What Carter have you been using?
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 14:11
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the same as the one with the picture above i think they are called a 4070
http://www.racetep.com/webfuelspark.html
Holly Fuel Pumps with Regulator:
This is a very common combination and it has alot of problems. The pump puts out too much pressure so you have to buy a regulator for it. The Regulator is just a restrictor that inhibits flow. This causes a huge loss of Volume and overloads the pump causing alot of noise and premature failure. This results in the float bowl going low or empty under hard acceleration and causes cornering problems.
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 22:10
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I was no saging them off , thats just my experience with that pump in question Skip. As of 044 , just because there on a vl doesn't make them a great pump {and the price is crazy for the spec }993t Porsche pump is cheaper by three times figure that out  . I have removed and insulated so many of those pumps , there noisy and inconsistent in pressure once old . Why has nobody mentioned a intank pump ? i run a intake pump which can supply the correct fuel for the engine , backed up by a secondary pump for the surge system .
The surge system is only there for the track , a well engineered intank is more than sufficient for the supply for most fast road applications . And ofcourse a intake is quieter than a external pump will ever be .
But its not just the pump its the complete design of the system , i have seen lots of shiny pumps / tanks / lines / regulators , and once of the track they get to half fuel load cut out . I very expensive exercise in that detonated engine .
If you want some real info on fuel systems you cannot go passed these guys , Steve & Martin have been playing around with top end fuel systems for more than 10years now i think .
http://www.speed-technology.com/efi_fuel.html
Its a bit like going cheap on one of the cheapest parts of make the car reliable
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Re: Holley Vs Carter Fuel pumps
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Thu, 07 October 2004 23:12
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Shane, I am running a carter exactly the same as the one that you have pictured. It lift heaps (gallons?) of fuel. I cannot remember the specs but I think that it was the same kind of flow rate as the bosch 984 that I am using to supply the injectors.
It was bought with a different box and was cheaper than buying one in a carter box - it is a carter though (carter is physically stamped on the pump body).
email me if you want more info.
2c
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