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MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 13:39
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| BRUCE wrote on Sat Oct 02, 2004 |
I posted this in the PWC group a few days ago re. update on our activity on PWC, MS-II, MS board upgrade, and UMS:
Lately, my time has been split among getting PWC to a final shape, working on the first pass of UMS, helping Al get MS-II out the door, and doing a board spin on MS. Just a typical workload for any working individual in today's work environment [Laughing] But I like having lots of things to do - it keeps my mind from wandering.....
The PWC has been progressing with the available working time slices I have been applying to it. It is more bench measurements/verifications than anything else, in particular the pump current measurement. Things look good, but some more refinement in heater temperature feedback may be needed. I have access to a dyno which I can use as an external heat source (i.e. sensor head mounted in the header). The nice thing about the dyno is that drastic temperature variations can be applied pretty quickly (i.e. a dyno pull) and the transient response can then be monitored. Once the heater temperature feedback is nailed down things should move pretty quickly.
I also have a simple CAN communication setup running on this part, lots more to implement but at least I can talk CAN.
But, for the next few weeks, I am really focusing on helping Al get MS-II out. We have really been tesing the code and checking everything, especially the ignition side. There have been a few instances where Codewarrior has introduced something that was not exactly what we had intended, so we have been delving into the generated assembler to verify critical sections of code. Programming in C is excellent - but there are times where one really needs to see what the compiler has generated. Part of this exercise is to satisfy my own paranoia on what the compiler is really producing - I can say that Codewarrior has been doing an excellent job, and the generated code is extremely tight.
Right now, I am making up a quick missing pulse detector circuit to verify that MS-II never misses ignition or FI pulses - there are a lot of timer gymnastics going on in the code (overflows, etc) and it makes sense to verify the pulse operation over an extended period of time (i.e. many hours). But all of the ignition functions (like charging the coil before the next input pulse, adjusting dwell and spark discharge time for really fast RPMs, etc) are operating, as is extreme low RPM operation (in the tens of RPM, where timer overflows need to be accounted for). Al is also adding filtering (user optional) for the MAP and RPM signals.
The only things left for MS-II is the bootloader and the final MS-II board spin. Then more testing, in real vehicles.
In parallel to this, the MS board upgrade is also progressing. A lot of this is to emcompass the MS-II new features, but general cleanup is also being implemented. More on this shortly when I have something final to present.
For UMS - I have to get the next rev PCB made up and populated. I have a MCF5235 eval board running a bunch of TPU code - this device is awesome to program, there is so much horsepower available. For MS and MS-II, we always have to try to implement code in an efficient way and then verify this later, often changing things around to improve efficiency. For the Coldfire processor, there is so much processing power available that code efficiency is not as important - the part will blast thru any code woth gobs of time to spare. Its nice to have the extra power, and code development is much, much quicker because we do not have to spend our time trolling thru the generated assembler to make things more efficient. But I probably still will do so, just for satisfy my paranoia.
- Bruce
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code and boards for MS2 seem to be nov/dec. UMS is aimed at 1st quarter 05.
i'm happy to wait for a DIY ECU that runs around 100MHz, has dual onboard wideband support (the LSU, not the L1H1) and has fully configurable outputs (inj, coil, whatever, just reconfigure it)
Cya, Stewart
PS,
PWC = precision wide-band controller. a new approach to fast response wideband with higher accuracy than has been seen previously.
MS2, Megasquirt upgrade board (plugs into processor socket) to give 12x12 tables for both injection AND ignition. initially use EDIS units to drive wasted spark.
UMS = Ultramegasquirt.
www.msefi.com
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May 2002
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 13:45
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All certainly sounds interesting - if the LSU works well, this could be a very handy product.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 13:53
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ooooh yeah... when MS2 comes out, there will be an immediate group buy 
same goes for the PWC. as it stands, for absolute accuracy, each sensor will need to be calibrated (unlike the 'plug n play' commercial systems) but for people who are happy with 0.1 AFR accuracy, then a general set of calibration constants will probably work.
i'll have my MS going in the mext month or so (just need to make intank bracket, bend the lines and make wiring.. diagrams are all figured out) then TUNE 
i have EDIS4 units ready to go also  (from the UK) might need a VR and toothed wheel tho.. hmmmm
if anyone is interested in getting an MS, we are doing a small GB now. $195 for MS, $15 delivery (unless picked up)..
mods, this is not a commercial sale or anything.. if you already wanted an MS, we will have them available..
for commercial MS sales, go to Glens Garage (n the US)
Cya, Stewart
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 14:08
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i'll have my MS going in the mext month or so (just need to make intank bracket, bend the lines and make wiring.. diagrams are all figured out) then TUNE
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I hopefully get to start mine in a week
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i have EDIS4 units ready to go also (from the UK) might need a VR and toothed wheel tho.. hmmmm
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What's the price for module? The pressed wheel cost about 20¤ (33AUD) in local Ford dealer and the sensor can be bought from local autoparts store for 20¤ (33AUD)also. These prices seem to be universal...
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 14:23
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| Jayem wrote on Fri, 08 October 2004 00:08 |
I hopefully get to start mine in a week
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i have EDIS4 units ready to go also (from the UK) might need a VR and toothed wheel tho.. hmmmm
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What's the price for module? The pressed wheel cost about 20¤ (33AUD) in local Ford dealer and the sensor can be bought from local autoparts store for 20¤ (33AUD)also. These prices seem to be universal...
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cooool
i actually got mine form a guy in the UK, as the EDIS units were never released in Australia. i think i paid about AUD$50 for two EDIS4's (used ones).
the Ford Falcons here had EEC4 which has the EDIS unit in the main ECU, so i think i can get the VR sensor of there..
as for toothed wheel.. i'll have to find something to fit on 4K and 4AG motors.. can't be that hard
if they can't be found here, i might have to ask you about doinga group buy for sensors
can you get the EDIS 6 modules over there? they are not common in the UK, and also not that common in the US (apparently)
Cya, Stewart
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 07 October 2004 14:37
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I paid 5¤ (8AUD) per (used) Edis module. Edis6 is rare here also. But I can get brand new Edis6 modules for 200¤(still need to check the price to be sure). Not cheap anymore, I know. Used coil pack was 15¤. Brand new coil pack is 50¤.
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Fri, 08 October 2004 00:18
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Well I guess if there's a group buy for the MS2 when it's done, I'll likely be part of it - nothing like getting something to play around with, ey?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Fri, 08 October 2004 00:36
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i'll no doubt spam around when the time comes
if you want an MS in the meantime to play with, let me know:D
the MS2 is an SMD board with processor that plugs into a standard MS board...
Cya, Stewart
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October 2004
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Fri, 08 October 2004 01:09
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ahhhh...lovely codewarrior..
Used it on a previous project and ran into the same issues when it would do funky shite to C code. Also the IDE had the added attraction of corrupting memory every time the debugger was stopped.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Finland
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: MS2, UMS and PWC update (From Bruce)
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Thu, 14 October 2004 21:30
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hmm, I was under impression that the MS2 was direct bolt on to the v2.2. That looks like there are some components re-arranged. There's also much more surface mount components than I except. Looks extremely good...
Can't wait...
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