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hey that sounds pretty cool? what car would they use? and engine? brad
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Sun, 10 October 2004 02:18
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Well the link talks about using the newly developed v8 that they'll be using in the Nascar series in the states, they did mention it fitting in a Camry 
I'd prefer them to use a classier model than that... but anyway
Dan
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Sun, 10 October 2004 02:28
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It must be a 4 door sedan and locally manufactured and that only really leaves either the Camry or Avalon, both of which are currently only front wheel drive platforms.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 02:31
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Mmm bummer
I'd still like to see Toyota kill the Commo's and Falcon's at their own game... i don't care what model it is 
Dan
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Sun, 10 October 2004 03:31
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| Camry_omega wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 12:28 |
It must be a 4 door sedan and locally manufactured and that only really leaves either the Camry or Avalon, both of which are currently only front wheel drive platforms.
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ohhh well..... toyota will just have to make a new car like a 4 door soarer or supra with a 1UZ-GTTZE 
IM SURE TOYOTA would give em a run for their money 
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Sun, 10 October 2004 04:06
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Yeah! i'd love to see a Supra out there kicking their backsides! even the ones that run in the JGTC - 3S-GTE powered JZA80's (I think) would probably kill them
Dan
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Sun, 10 October 2004 04:35
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It won't happen. Remember the shit that flew when Godzilla made the Ozzie muscle cars look stupid? The die hard Ozzie V8 lovers won't like it and also, both Ford and Holden have already stated that they think the current format is fine and shouldn't be changed. Hmmmm, why does that not surprise me.
Bathurst hasn't been the same since they got rid of the other classes. It was so cool to watch the BMWs, Celicas, Mitsubishis and even Volvos going around, each fighting in their own class, as well as to see how high up the overall postions they could go.
Bring back the mixed class racing. It was the best.
seeyuzz
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Sun, 10 October 2004 05:04
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But Toyota don't have a pushrod engine or live rear axle! They can't compete unless they buy bits off the Falcadore teams.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 05:17
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| Danners wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 14:44 |
I totally agree
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Sorry, but thats the stupidest thing I've read on this topic. Australian V8 Supercars. its just my opinion, but import/australian - Think about it. Who would benefit from this?
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Sun, 10 October 2004 05:29
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Me - the currently unsatisfied spectator
Dan
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Sun, 10 October 2004 05:36
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WE would.
WHY?
- because to race the car at bathurst, the car would have to be sold in australia! Remember the R32 GT-Rs, they were locally sold by Nissan until the Bathurst thingy was ripped apart by Ford/Holdan and turned into the Bogan 1000. If these cars were allowed to race, we would see them sold in australia again, and maybe for once in our pathetic domestic automotive market we might have 2-3 DECENT cars locally available!
As for the bogan 1000... its on now, but i would rather pick my nose with my gearbox oil covered hand and then lick it clean rather than watch it.
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But Toyota don't have a pushrod engine or live rear axle! They can't compete unless they buy bits off the Falcadore teams.
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Actually, the rules stipulate a 5.7L pushrod 8valve V8 with live axle rear. Neither Ford or Holden fits into this category!!! Ford has 32V quoad cam V8's, and holden has IRS....
i would like to see the Chasers in there, or better yet - Aristos!
mmmmm, i can only dream of an australian motorsport (or anything automotively related) that isnt destroyed by those two most bogan and neolithic of manufacturers - Ford and Holden.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 05:40
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| THE WITZL wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 15:36 |
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But Toyota don't have a pushrod engine or live rear axle! They can't compete unless they buy bits off the Falcadore teams.
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Actually, the rules stipulate a 5.7L pushrod 8valve V8 with live axle rear. Neither Ford or Holden fits into this category!!! Ford has 32V quoad cam V8's, and holden has IRS....
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By Toyota, I meant its racing divisions. Both TRD and TTE only have that type of gear in their museums (where they should be).
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Sun, 10 October 2004 06:01
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Off topic, but has anyone seen any online photos of the Toyota museum? I'd love to see whats in there
Dan
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Sun, 10 October 2004 06:08
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Kill Kill Kill. *waves his toyota flag around*
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Sun, 10 October 2004 06:28
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| THE WITZL wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 15:36 |
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But Toyota don't have a pushrod engine or live rear axle! They can't compete unless they buy bits off the Falcadore teams.
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Actually, the rules stipulate a 5.7L pushrod 8valve V8 with live axle rear. Neither Ford or Holden fits into this category!!! Ford has 32V quoad cam V8's, and holden has IRS....
i would like to see the Chasers in there, or better yet - Aristos!
mmmmm, i can only dream of an australian motorsport (or anything automotively related) that isnt destroyed by those two most bogan and neolithic of manufacturers - Ford and Holden.
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i love chasers.. but screw that.. bring in some pimpin celciors and such with the 5 litre century v8 5-fe or whatever it is.. modified a bit ofcourse.. and then all they need is a live axle rear end.. but even my 83 soarer has irs..
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Sun, 10 October 2004 06:47
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Please God, let there be a MkV Supra with a 600+HP twin turbo V8 engine... *prays* =D
Do the rules stipulate 4 doors? If so that's anally probed.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:02
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i doubt they would alloy forced induction
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| fractoid wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 16:47 |
Please God, let there be a MkV Supra with a 600+HP twin turbo V8 engine... *prays* =D
Do the rules stipulate 4 doors? If so that's anally probed.
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nothing wrong with that rule as far as i am concerned, keeps things a bit more even(which in turn is good because winning relys more on driver ability than "superior" cars)
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C 2.1 Technical Definition and Class
2.1.1 The requirements of this Division C apply to V8 Supercars, which largescale
Production Touring Cars comprising a specialised class
produced, right hand drive, four door Cars, fitted with pushrod normallyaspirated
V8 engines.
2.1.2 There is only one class of Car – the V8 Supercar – with
capacity fitted to Cars of which at least 25,000 examples,
Family of a Vehicle (Rule C 1), must have been produced.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:11
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after what happend last time i doubt they'd let forced induction in
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:14
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OK, I could have sworn that V8 Supercars were supercharged, but it seems not. Fine then, I'd be happy for it to be a small-displacement (say 3L) twin turbo V8 Supra... just please no more of this NA crap, we've had enough of that from Nissan recently.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:22
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| fractoid wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 17:14 |
OK, I could have sworn that V8 Supercars were supercharged, but it seems not. Fine then, I'd be happy for it to be a small-displacement (say 3L) twin turbo V8 Supra... just please no more of this NA crap, we've had enough of that from Nissan recently.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:24
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there was a place for the true touring car championshiip - it was called nations cup - then HOLDEN came along and decided they's build one off's to dominate the sport
Now its dead .. but theres another touring car setup in the pipeworks for traditional all makes racing on the cards ..
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:38
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I miss GT-P. 
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Sun, 10 October 2004 07:54
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I don't see why Australia can't have their own Ford/Holden category. The Australian Super Touring category was around for quite a while running at the same time as the V8's. They obviously weren't as popular and V8's have dominated.
I think its good that we have our own category and that we keep it Australian. If you want to watch other production cars watch the GTP, Porsche Cup, etc... I quite like my toyotas but I do not wish to see a Supra, Soarer, Skyline, Camry, racing in the V8's, regardless of who wins or loses. The V8's are a very entertaining category and it has shown over the past five years in how popular they have become.
If there was a Nissan vs Toyota category in Japan, I don't think anyone would want to see someone like Ford or Chevrolet go over and join in, the same applys here.
I think a category featuring cars like Supras, Skylines etc would be great, but these are too different to V8's that they should be left seperate.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 08:07
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| Major Clod wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 17:54 |
I don't see why Australia can't have their own Ford/Holden category. The Australian Super Touring category was around for quite a while running at the same time as the V8's. They obviously weren't as popular and V8's have dominated.
I think its good that we have our own category and that we keep it Australian. If you want to watch other production cars watch the GTP, Porsche Cup, etc... I quite like my toyotas but I do not wish to see a Supra, Soarer, Skyline, Camry, racing in the V8's, regardless of who wins or loses. The V8's are a very entertaining category and it has shown over the past five years in how popular they have become.
If there was a Nissan vs Toyota category in Japan, I don't think anyone would want to see someone like Ford or Chevrolet go over and join in, the same applys here.
I think a category featuring cars like Supras, Skylines etc would be great, but these are too different to V8's that they should be left seperate.
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the problem is GTP is completely non main stream and hard to catch.. has short races.. yet still more entertaining than v8's to me.
id love to see a chevy or something go and race toyota vs nissan in a japanese series.. would be hillarious 
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Sun, 10 October 2004 08:26
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i'd like to see toyotas etc race falcadores as long as we could buy them here
like the r32's back in the day
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Sun, 10 October 2004 08:51
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 18:07 |
the problem is GTP is completely non main stream and hard to catch.. has short races.. yet still more entertaining than v8's to me.
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Agree with that statement totally. GT-P is awesome, and I find that even the V8 Brutes can be more entertaining than the supercars.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 09:49
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v8 brutes are way more exciting cos they just smash into each other and get the arse out all the time, takes some real skill to keep the traction down
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Sun, 10 October 2004 10:30
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Hi,
I don't want to stop the V8 car races. I think it's a unique Australian category. However, in the case of the Bathurst 1000, I would like the mixed classes for that one race - like they used to do. Sure, the V8s can have their other races around the country, like they currently do, but, in the case of Bathurst (which is a world class circuit) I would like the old formula brought back for this particular race.
seeyuzz
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Sun, 10 October 2004 11:06
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I know what you mean about the GTP, its great to watch, but thats because its close to showroom stuff and the drivers are often less experienced or privateers. Thats the thing about V8 Supercars, it isn't meant to be showroom. They are Australian race cars and the top level category in Australia. Sure they are the same shape as the production versions, but thats pretty much where the similarities end.
Its hardly the V8 Supercars fault that GTP isn't mainstream. If anything they have gained in popularity since becoming a two manufacturer category, while the rest have remained behind. Being realistic most forms of racing are definately harder to catch, especially if you watch them from TV. How often can you find a good telecast of the drags on free to air TV.
The V8 Brutes are definately more exciting because of the carnage but you can't expect them to be doing that in V8's much like you wouldn't expect it to happen in F1 or Indy.
Given the level of competition in V8 Supercars these days its pretty unreasonable to expect them to be cruising around the mountain with unexperienced teams in nissans and toyotas for only one week per year. That is where a seperate race should come in, but unfortunately the Bathurst 24hr isn't happening this year.
I'm all for GTP becoming more popular, but I'm not sure it will unless it can attract some of the bigger names in racing.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 11:10
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| river wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 14:35 |
Hi,
Bathurst hasn't been the same since they got rid of the other classes. It was so cool to watch the BMWs, Celicas, Mitsubishis and even Volvos going around, each fighting in their own class, as well as to see how high up the overall postions they could go.
Bring back the mixed class racing. It was the best.
seeyuzz
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Absolutley. It all died after that, and again when Brocky left.
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Sun, 10 October 2004 12:26
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Altezza perhaps?
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Sun, 10 October 2004 12:31
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| ShiRi wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 22:26 |
Altezza perhaps?
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this man speaks the smart words
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Sun, 10 October 2004 15:25
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| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 22:31 |
| ShiRi wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 22:26 |
Altezza perhaps?
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this man speaks the smart words
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and this man picks the right people that speak the right words, lol!
Nezza 
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Sun, 10 October 2004 18:49
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They even bring out an Altezza sports wagon or some shit and they won't give us a normal one....
I can imagine the falcadores (I like this new term) whinning again once Toyota puts their foot in....
Before it was:
(GT-R)
"its not fair...they have 4wd and turbos"
now it'll be:
(assuming 1uz tech. type)
"its not fair..... it doesnt use pushrods"
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Mon, 11 October 2004 00:22
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| 3S-GE_Man wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 01:25 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 22:31 |
| ShiRi wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 22:26 |
Altezza perhaps?
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this man speaks the smart words
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and this man picks the right people that speak the right words, lol!
Nezza
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that would be mad
then they would have to give us like 3uz-fe altezza's, the way they should be...
only the v8 supercar engine has to be pushrod so its all good
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Mon, 11 October 2004 00:42
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The key is in the name AVESCO Australian Vee Eight Supercra, unless toyota Aus would build a rear wheel drive V8 in Aus I couldn't see it entering plus the fact that it still wouldn't happen anyway, AS for the clown who reckons they are supercharged helllooo no they are not. It seems pretty stupid however that neither ford or holden produce a 5.0 L V8 anymore and up until last year holden didn't have a car with a live rear axle wqhen they launched the one tonner and Cross 8.
Ford doesn't even produce a pushrod V8 so it doesn't matter about that. The biggest problem is being able to convince fans that it is good for the sport, we are talking about people that are fixed in their ideals and dont welcome foreign cars or the so called jap crap.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 00:52
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Dunno, what happened to the link, but its something about Murphy winning Bathurst.
The 1UZ option for Toyota to put in a Camry was killed off a couple of years ago.
It was claimed that there couldn't be engine power parity.
4L quad cam V8 has a lot more air flow & tuning capability than a 5L single cam pushrod V8.
Then they said that if Toyota or Mitsubishi wanted to put a car in it'd have to be a Chev pushrod V8 RWD.
Mitisubishi actually did this with the last model magna in a lower class & did quite well. But they pulled out coz whats the point of promoting Mitsubishi if it's got another manufacturers motor & running gear.
The commodore & falcon both race with live axles in the interest of saving cost.
If they were allowed to race with DOHC motors (Chevy DOHC LS1 in the Corvette), a lot more manufacturers could be involved:
Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar,...
And just to correct Witzl (sorry dude), the supercars run with 5.0L pushrod V8's, not 5.7L. Neither manufacturer makes these anymore.
Also, a point of interest, the Falcon V8 brutes are actually just AU's with BA panels. Still have a pushrod 5.0L, not the boss 5.4 DOHC. Coz the Holden boys are wimps & couldn't have their "hot" 250kW pushrod being beaten by something with current technology.
I like the joke about "Welcome to the Eighties" for the alloytec V6 
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Mon, 11 October 2004 00:57
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| wagonist wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 08:52 |
If they were allowed to race with DOHC motors (Chevy DOHC LS1 in the Corvette), a lot more manufacturers could be involved:
Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar,...
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Unfortunately GM gave up on the quad-cam V8 basically after that Corvette ZR1 finished production.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 00:59
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Chev didn't even build that engine it was designed by lotus and put together I think by some boat manufacturer.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 01:00
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| wagonist wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 10:52 |
Dunno, what happened to the link, but its something about Murphy winning Bathurst.
The 1UZ option for Toyota to put in a Camry was killed off a couple of years ago.
It was claimed that there couldn't be engine power parity.
4L quad cam V8 has a lot more air flow & tuning capability than a 5L single cam pushrod V8.
Then they said that if Toyota or Mitsubishi wanted to put a car in it'd have to be a Chev pushrod V8 RWD.
Mitisubishi actually did this with the last model magna in a lower class & did quite well. But they pulled out coz whats the point of promoting Mitsubishi if it's got another manufacturers motor & running gear.
The commodore & falcon both race with live axles in the interest of saving cost.
If they were allowed to race with DOHC motors (Chevy DOHC LS1 in the Corvette), a lot more manufacturers could be involved:
Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar,...
And just to correct Witzl (sorry dude), the supercars run with 5.0L pushrod V8's, not 5.7L. Neither manufacturer makes these anymore.
Also, a point of interest, the Falcon V8 brutes are actually just AU's with BA panels. Still have a pushrod 5.0L, not the boss 5.4 DOHC. Coz the Holden boys are wimps & couldn't have their "hot" 250kW pushrod being beaten by something with current technology.
I like the joke about "Welcome to the Eighties" for the alloytec V6
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yes.. but they only need any v8 for the production model..
so a 1uz camry or 3uz altezza or soemthing would be enough
and then use say a 5-fe v8 from century in the altezza and it could work.. they would have to make a live rear axle setup though
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 01:08
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The thing is, weight aside, there is nothing really stopping Holden or Ford from having competitive cars.
Both have power-productive engines, both have half-decent suspension setups (albeit the Holden one being a triumph of engineering over design), and they have the basics right. Sure there would be some issues with parity that would need to be initially solved, but there is no reason they can't compete.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 01:12
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At Ford has seen the light & is making cars with...
wait for it....
Twin Cam
& have been doing OVERHEAD cam since the AU.
Oh yeah, & Ford Australia produces the only Ford motor in the world with variable cam timing on both the inlet & exhaust cams. Now in the Typhoon XR6T, they are controlled individually. Now that's technology!
Anyone else ever driven a VY commodore & BA falcon back to back?
The Ford engine wipes the Holden butts easily.
Imagine the furore if Ford wanted to race with the XR6 Turbo instead of the V8?
Up the boost to about 15psi & let her rip....
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Mon, 11 October 2004 01:14
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The Holden's front suspension has been changed to be that of the Ford, ie double arm instead of struts, to give back the parity of lack of front down force of the Falcon.
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 02:12
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Since when were the australian V8 supercars, australian?
I doubt that Toyota will come in once they realise how shit the rules are.
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 02:22
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| bathurst-91 wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 11:05 |
| Danners wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 15:29 |
Me - the currently unsatisfied spectator
Dan
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Farkn word!.
Hell my nickname is based on the 1991 race at bathurst where i first witnessed 'teh gtr'
I grew up in bogan ville (central coast) And I was lead to believe V8's were unbeatable and the best things on 4wheels. Since that day in '91 (I was like 8or9) I fell in love with that nissan!
Seriously though. I dont evan see 'keep it local' as a factor. Is Ford an Australian company now?. Same goes for Opel errr Holden. That aside the falcon and commo are what we've chosen to 'develope' but at what cost. Shall we just stay under a rock and stick with the current format for eternity?
Its called Evolution (no pun intended) Something better comes along and it will dominate. That is fact. But whats good about it is after a few years of running last, perhaps ford and holden will start to realise they need to innovate.
What would our current commos and falcons be like if Australia never imported any cars from overseas.. Just picture the scene for a second. Every car on the road being a holden or ford... We'd probably still be driving around in 3tonne cars with no seatbelts..
The Bathurst 1000 is a great race. It has an awesome track. And its a great day on the racing calender. But I cannot stomach watching it from start to end simply because it is a 2horse race.
EDIT::: I mean its not evan so much the fact that its holden and ford. If it were Nissan and Toyota I would be more impressed. But still wanting the field to be opened! Throw some zing in the genepool!
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Stop writing my name, "evan", for the word "even" Its tripping me out
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 03:44
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| FWDboy wrote on Mon, 11 October 2004 12:12 |
Since when were the australian V8 supercars, australian?
I doubt that Toyota will come in once they realise how shit the rules are.
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they obviously would have read the rules thouroughly before proposing such a thing.. they dont jump into things without thinking it through 1st, why do you think they are the highest money making car company in the world?
the thing is, they can get a cult like following from v8 supercars like holden does, and in conjunction with the car they make the v8 supercar from(say an altezza with v8) sales would rise dramatically
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Mon, 11 October 2004 04:20
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I'm sure you realise that for Toyota to enter they would have to *change* the rules of the competition, and given how crap the rules are, and what kind of changes Toyota would want to have made - I seriously doubt they will get in there.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 04:24
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mY understanding is that the car has to be a 4 door sedan that is rear wheel drive and powered by a V8. I don't know even if toyota did build such a car that it would be let in because of the scare of the GTR and once again due to porgrams like project blueprint it would run identical suspension etc to the other cars and thus not be worth it.
I dont even know if the rules allow for a third manufacturer or whether it is just ford or holden.
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Mon, 11 October 2004 04:30
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it doesent say anything about it being just ford and holden
hence they just made the rules pathetic enough to make them the only ones able to compete cause of their stone age technology(when it happenned) and cost everyone else mass money(because of their good technology) to compete
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Mon, 11 October 2004 05:36
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This rumour has been flying around for more than 5 years... it seems the motoring journo's drag it out every year just before/after Bathurst. Frankly I can't see it happening - Toyota has little to gain by joining the V8 Supercar ranks. I think it would be quite cool to see a RWD V8 touring car disguised to look like a Camry or Avalon, it's not going to happen though!
BTW the fact that Toyota doesn't build a car which resembles a V8 Supercar is irrelevant; Ford and Holden don't either, but that doesn't stop them from competing!
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Mon, 11 October 2004 05:46
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| Nark wrote on Sun, 10 October 2004 15:04 |
But Toyota don't have a pushrod engine or live rear axle! They can't compete unless they buy bits off the Falcadore teams.
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Aren't the Ford V8's overhead cam at the moment??? I thought they were using the BOSS 290 which is overhead... excuse my ignorance if im wrong...
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Mon, 11 October 2004 07:07
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Itd be great if they did but i dont see it happening, not long ago mitsubishi tried to get a V8 magna in but were denied because it conflicted with the interests of the spectators, they had it planned perfectly, magna with a rear wheel drive platform, using a chrysler pushrod V8 to comply with all the rules all it needed was approval from the board, they didn't get it.
Australia just needs a well promoted all-make series. BRING BACK GT-P I loved that series!
As for Holdens new alloytech V6, whoop-de-friggin-do. 3.6L, 190kw...
The 350z has been in production how many years now? 3.5L, LIMITED at 206kw and despite being down 100cc on the holden produces 23nm more at 363Nm
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 03:13
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hey guys this is what i heard, and itsfrom a pretty good source. the car will be a V8 Avalon, as they need to boost sales in oz. it will also be called the "ring master" as holden is the "lion" ford said they are the "lion tamer" so toyota may be calling it the "ring master" its a circus thing but i like it.
anyays its called the "australian V8 supercars" how much australian do you think are in those cars? holden is hardly australian anyway, look at the, astra, barina, vectra, zafira, and cruise. holden dont make them, holden are a 1 car band. anyway thats off topic. the engines they use in the v8 supercars are american engines, and im pretty sure i heard that the ford engines are from england, im not sure on that though. ivealso been told that like 15% of a commodore (or commonwhore) is made in australia the rest is imported and just put togeather here. again im not sure about that. but i would love to see toyota in the V8's it would break it up alot, im sick of ford, holden, holden, ford. etc. if the camry had a more powerful V6 or even a V8 engine, it will knock commodore from the top spot in a few years.
[Updated on: Sun, 09 January 2005 03:26]
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 03:36
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toyota already have a car ready for V8 supercars...
the cardigan wearing fuckwits at toyota australia just wont 'release' it locally.. UGHH
the CELSIOR is a 3UZFE 4.3 liter quadcam v8 with a irs rear drive axle almost identical to the falcons and commodores of 2004 except its missing a few milliliters of cc
see? http://toyota.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Celsio r/menu/grade_val.html
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Re: Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 03:42
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cool, looks alot like the camry, is it the jap version camry?
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Toyota to take on the Aussie V8 Supercars?
