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 4age in an Escort
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Mon, 30 September 2002 11:31
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just trying to find out what i would be in for if i tried to make the conversion,this is the go,
Late model (78->) escort panel van,
is the 1.6l or the 2l a better starting point?
what do you reckon it will cost? (the conversion)
what is involved?
86kw/100kw/119kw which is easiest and cheapest?
any handy hints?
thanks heaps guys.
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July 2002
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Mon, 30 September 2002 17:15
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First there is no 2litre 4age.
The 100kw and 20v 4ag (i assume that the 119kw you mention is the 20v?) are FWD engines you might have some work cut out there. All the engine mounts would have to be custom made/welded. Well a conversion only costs for parts and labour so you buy the engine gearbox ECU and what ever else you need i'd say buget $3.5k for everything. Then add labour if your gonna do it yourself then wikkid if not then expect to pay around 2-3k for a drive in drive out job. I was quoted 8k (including parts) for a 20valve drive in drive out conversion in my AE82 by RPM in adelaide.They also wanted the car for 6 weeks. I laughed at first then i realised he was serious.
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Newcastle
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September 2002
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Tue, 01 October 2002 06:05
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If you want some power why not go for the 2.3 l turbo and 5 speed set up used on the Thunderbird in the states.
Chase up a US engine importer and get 1 of these.
Keep it ford and still blow away everything with a 4
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Tue, 01 October 2002 06:13
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I'd say it won't really matter starting from a 2 litre or 1.6 litre van- except the exhaust will be on the correct side in a 1.6 litre escort, the 2 litre has it on the right hand side of the engine so you'd need to change the exhaust, make mounts etc. I'd say the 4age will be compact enough not to need radiator relocation or anything, but will definitely need custom engine mounts, and I'd look at a bigger radiator maybe. I'd also suggest that there will probably not be enough room for the gearbox in a manual escort's trans tunnel, so find an auto to start from to lessen the fab (bigger tunnel-you'll just need the manual car's pedal box), or alter the trans tunnel to suit.I have no idea whether the gear lever will be in the right spot with the sprinter 5 speed.You may also have to go from cable to hydraulic for the clutch? I don't know on that one. You'll need a surge tank and return line,and bigger fuel pump, basically a whole new fuel system.
I've never heard of it being done, but I reckon it would be one of the easier conversions out there, I think a 4age would have to be roughly similar in size to a ford pushrod 1600.
Now the 20v will mean heaps of trouble, you'll have to change the ignition system fundamentally or make a big hole in the firewall for the distributor. I'd go with the 86kw rwd engine for ease of fitment (not moving coolant lines, new sump etc).
Thats just a few guesses, I rreckon there would be more to it than that though.
cheers,
floody
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June 2002
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Wed, 02 October 2002 02:18
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this was coverer in a hot 4s or fast 4s article about a year and a half ago, they used a 4AGZE and it was so tiny in the engine bay even with all ancillaries attached. i cant remember the specifics on the conversion other than it was a map sensored version, they reckoned it was an excellent conversion for an instant power increase and also a huge weight saving on the 2.0 it had in the first place 
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June 2002
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Wed, 02 October 2002 03:16
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I reckon that was in a blue mk2 cortina?
still similar engine bay anyway, and the ame motor was in there so it must be about the same.
cheers,
floody
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Wed, 02 October 2002 03:46
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chrishanley,
putting any engine which has the exhaust manifold on the passanger side into an escort is going to be painfull due to the shocking positioning of the brake booster/master cylinder.
here is a link that may help http://mailhub.air.net.au/~joe/
this is a 4AGZE but the block is externally the same configuration, and you will have more cleareance around the stearing rack if you use a 4AG. Hope this helps
roger
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June 2002
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Wed, 02 October 2002 09:45
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the article i was refering to was on a white MK2 esky, there may have been another article on a cortina that i didnt read
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Thu, 03 October 2002 05:19
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| roger wrote on Wed, 02 October 2002 13:46 |
chrishanley,
putting any engine which has the exhaust manifold on the passanger side into an escort is going to be painfull due to the shocking positioning of the brake booster/master cylinder.
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Jeez, didn't seem to be much of a problem when ford designed and built all the kent engined the escorts that way!!!So as I said it would be much simpler to start with a 1.6 litre engined van, as the exhaust is on the pasenger side unlike the 2 litre one. The brake master cylinder/booster is on the DRIVER'S SIDE, but I'd almost guarantee you'd want to change that setup (in the 1.6 van it is remote mounted with a long linkage at the front of the engine bay-is a pain in the arse if fitting twin sidedraughts to an escy 1.6)anyway, as standard 1.6 escort brakes were barely adequate with a mildly modded (e.g say 70hp) 1600 ford. So a bigger booster and master cylinder and bigger front disks and decent calipers would be the go, and you could probably get a fairly compact one with remote fluid reservoir which would help. Basically if you upgrade the brakes, you would be junking the escort m/c and booster as a matter of course.
cheers,
floody
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Thu, 03 October 2002 06:28
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floody,
If you get an Auto panel van if there was one, they have a larger trans tunnel, but a T50 gearbox will fit in the trans tunnel with out mods, I have seen it done. Of course you need a X member though
roger
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Sat, 05 October 2002 06:48
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Some stuff off the osella.com.au escort forum:
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Hey all I hope Im not a bit
>slow but I was just wandering
>if anyone can tell me the
>easiest way to remove the
>brake booster out of a Mk2
>Escort so i can make room in
>the engine Bay
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>Regards James
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Basicly just a matter of cutting the rod down short enough & bolting the original master cylinder to the firewall etc then shortening the brake lines & don't forget to make a small sleave for the new shorter rod so it can't drop out 
This said the only regret is the pitts don't like it & ANY modification to brakes needs a full engineers certificate. I just wacked the booster back on last time (they thought the vl calipers & carpri vented disks where stock) this time I've got a Gt25 stuck in the way so hopfully they wont notice - or possibly the vw if it sits close enough to clear my dump pipe.
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So I'd say relocating the m/c and shortening the rod/linkage would be a viable alternative. That is what I will likely be doing if I ever get round to putting the twin 40s on my old 1600 escort van. I reckon this conversion would rule! escort only weighs like 950kg in 1.6 form!!
cheers,
floody
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Sat, 05 October 2002 06:50
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Also, Toyota gearboxes won't fit in the tunnel PROPERLY without mods, you will find it being a giant pain in the arse for access etc without raising the top of the tunnel, certainly needs to be done for the supra box, and I'd reckon the sprinter box needs the mods too.Its not that hard though. And failing the m/c moving thing, ring quickco in SA, they will have ready made pedalboxes with rmote m/c setups.
cheers,
floody
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Sat, 05 October 2002 09:51
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hmms - you could try slotting in a early modeo motor - or sourcing a twin cam cosworth head - and have an easier job of bolting up
as for power - why not the 2 lt pinto 4 used in the rs2000 ??
its a grunty performer - and a pair of webers on the bugger would sing 
a friend of mine has converted his rs2000 to a w50 toyota box with little drama - and its a far nicert box than the 4spd ford job ..
brakes still suck on it though
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Re: 4age in an Escort
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Mon, 07 October 2002 05:04
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If you have a 1.6 litre car, the 2 litre ford will be nearly as much arseing about to fit as the 4age. If you have a 2 litre car, more things will have to be modded to make the 4age fit (exhaust, fuel lines are on opposite sides, don't really want the fuel lines running near the exhaust hey...).
I love escorts, hell, I own one, but I am a firm advocate that 2lt escort motors suck in a big way. Heavy, don't rev, weak internals (rods etc) are just some of the downsides. Coupled with the fact that with a fair amount of extra weight in the nose, 2 litre powered mk2 vans don't handle with anything like the balance of a 1.6 version. A 4age with some breathing mods would more than likely make more grunt and be far easier to live with than a 2 litre with a cam, webers, high comp etc that you would need to get the same power.Plus its lighter and far more compact.
And, don't kid yourself that the 2 litre will have anything like cheap or easy horsepower gains,because with old ford 4s be prepared to just open your wallet and also bend over when it comes time to buy performance bits. I'd avoid using the 2 litre escy motor, at least in the van (van engine bay needs the motor to be further forward than the sedan one, thus ruining the good weight distribution of the escort)..And a cosworth will cost more for the motor than for the whole 4age conversion, with most of the pinto's inherent weaknesses still there, and, well , just try and find a mondeo engine, then convert it to rwd...sump, pickup,dizzy drive (like a 20v, off the back of the head) manifold etc will all need modding, as well as a custom bellhousing.....
cheers,
floody
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