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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:06
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OK guys & gals - I've recently been looking around at the state of the new car market for performance cars, and I'm yet to find anything very exciting on offer from Toyota!  Is it just me, or has there been a complete absence of anything really performance oriented since the Supra? (I'm talking about probably the last two years) Nissan have the S15 200SX, Honda have the Teggy-R and S2000 (<-- although too highly priced) while Toyota come out with offerings like the MR2 Frog (sorry - Spyder).
Just wondering if people could make some suggestions of Toyota (or any other manufacturer's) performance cars in the $30-$40k price bracket, which have been built/sold in the last two years? (preferrably not imports either)
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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:21
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i agree with u, the last good sports car toyota aust released was the MA70 and that was AGES ago.
MR2-S?
Celica?
Corolla Sportivo?
what a piss poor list of cars that is.
the lexus SC430 is a pretty shmick car but its in a totally different price range.
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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:42
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The MR2 would be a worthy car if it had a roof and (in Australia) a clutch pedal.
Other than that, I can't really think of anything.
The Celica is OK, but it's a FWD, so it's not a consideration in my eyes.
Actually, now that I think about it, the only RWD in Toyota's passenger/sport car lineup is the MR2... Or am I missing something...
BTW, Toyota, not Lexus.
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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:45
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It's not a Toyota, but. Subaru Impreza WRX sti. think it's called. they put out about 208kws.
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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:48
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| Nark wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 09:42 |
The MR2 would be a worthy car if it had a roof and (in Australia) a clutch pedal.
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And about 40-50kw more 
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Other than that, I can't really think of anything.
The Celica is OK, but it's a FWD, so it's not a consideration in my eyes.
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Likewise, I'm really trying to think of RWD cars only (Yes, I know i mentioned the TypeR, but i really think that's in a leaque of it's own)
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Actually, now that I think about it, the only RWD in Toyota's passenger/sport car lineup is the MR2... Or am I missing something...
BTW, Toyota, not Lexus.
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Actually, I don't think you are missing anything unfortunately...  Although I'm not discounting Lexus.. What are the performance stats like on the IS200/300? And how much do they go for 2nd hand? (say 1-2 years old)
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MR2-S?
Celica?
Corolla Sportivo?
what a piss poor list of cars that is.
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Couldn't agree with you more Rob 
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Mon, 30 September 2002 23:51
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| SupraBOY wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 09:45 |
It's not a Toyota, but. Subaru Impreza WRX sti. think it's called. they put out about 208kws.
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STi Rex is worthy on the performance scale, however i think they are a fair bit beyond the price bracket in question..
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Tue, 01 October 2002 01:27
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Although I'm not discounting Lexus.. What are the performance stats like on the IS200/300? And how much do they go for 2nd hand? (say 1-2 years old)
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IS200 isn't that exciting. It's only got 114kW. Great around corners though.
The IS300 is better with (I think) around 170kW, but is a bit front heavy. Good in a straight line and good (but not great like the IS200) around corners.
We don't get the best one (as usual), the RS200 with the 157kW BEAMS II 3S-GE and firmer suspension.
IS300 is a bit out of the price bracket too...
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Tue, 01 October 2002 04:24
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corolla sportiva, isnt that jsut the same as all the other corollas just with some funky spoilers and interior??
mr2 - when a company names something "spyder", you just know they are targeting men over 50, with no taste, and short as hell. has anyone actually tried getting into a new mr2 if your over 6' tall?
these days, you just can't look past the 200sx, there is NOTHING on the aus market that can directly compete with its performance and price!!
agreed, toyota australia have taken a step into boredom with their latest line-up of cars! they should seriously consider bringing in the japanese pocket rockets they make for every model... like levin GTZ's, starlet glanza's, turbo corollas!! and all thats sort of hooha.....
personally, i think the australian sportscar market is in a pretty sorry state of affairs. there is bugger all availbale that isnt a low volume import.
Paul - depending on your budget, try and audi A3 or A4 turbo/quattro($$)... you would be AMAZED at how good they are! never underestimate the germans! 
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Tue, 01 October 2002 05:01
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| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 01 October 2002 14:24 |
corolla sportiva, isnt that jsut the same as all the other corollas just with some funky spoilers and interior??
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The Corolla Sportivo is the only Toyota in the "Sportivo" range that actually DOES have any power improvement. It sports a small turbo and front mount cooler on the 7AFE which pushes power up to about 115kw but with a fair slab of torque i think. There were only ever VERY limited numbers of them, which sold pretty poorly i think due to their high price when released (something close to $40k). Dealers dropped the price on them by around 10 grand within about 12 months of release because of a lack of sales. Overpriced and underpowered... I might think about it if i had a wife and kids, but i aint getting that old yet!!
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heehee... yeah i remember reading about those a year or two ago "lifeless and boring for a turbo" i think was a quote.... i was thinking moer about the new corolla sportiva.... if there is one?
yeah dude... check out audis!!! i want to steal my dads a4 quattro... man that thing flies for a 1.8L turbo.... handling supreme!!!!
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Tue, 01 October 2002 05:57
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IS200 isn't that exciting. It's only got 114kW. Great around corners though.
The IS300 is better with (I think) around 170kW, but is a bit front heavy. Good in a straight line and good (but not great like the IS200) around corners.
We don't get the best one (as usual), the RS200 with the 157kW BEAMS II 3S-GE and firmer suspension.
IS300 is a bit out of the price bracket too...
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IS300 is a pretty good thing, damn pricy though. I gotta say is200's suck, both generally and in value/performance terms. I drive a slightly modded r31 skyline, which happens to be lighter, makes a shedload more torque, same overall kw (well mine makes a bit more), shorter wheelbase, and 48,000 bones cheaper. And it can keep up with or drive around most is200s in the twisties, if not leave em for dead on the straights.My car does have aftermarket shocks springs and 15 inch wheels and tyres, but that just evens the gap I think. I guess the refinement and fit and finish aint the same, but lets see just how many rattles and clunks develop in all the bits that makes the is refined, in ten years....
MR-S is a bit like an mx5 I think in concept, but yeah the no clutch thing and lack of go ruins it. handle ok though.
Isn't there going to be a corolla with the celica engine in it soon? also, what about the camry sportivo? ahh crap listen to me, what am I saying, Camry??? -yeah, you're right, toyotas perofromance image is about as good as ford's when the dropped the eights with the xf.......I think they've lost their shit.
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Tue, 01 October 2002 09:28
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it is a shame, that toyota aust is lacking in the sports department seeing as tho they have alot to choose from
supra
soarer
chaser
caldina
just to name a few
toyota australia is set up for spare parts for the 2JZ, 3S, 1UZ, already, so why no supra, caldina or soarer?
ahh well..
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Tue, 01 October 2002 13:32
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a tuned celica will match a type r
probably beat it too
as if u gonna keep a sports car stock anyway
sr20det are awsum though
is the rb20 a straight 6 aswell?
chaser would be schweeeet
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Tue, 01 October 2002 13:40
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Easy, that's coz Toyota's target market is towards the older generation. I.e. the grey cardigan wearers driving around in basement Camry, Corolla and Echo whilst the rest of them are ethnics with the image that Toyotas = quality = reliability that drive the more upper class (yes I am generalising badly).
We "car freaks" are a minority and to be honest, I don't see Toyota changing their attitude. We're a smaller and smaller segment of the market and the best way to maximise profits is to aim for the largest segment of the market.
The followers in the market are left to pick up what is left of the market which is why you see Subaru (to a certain degree), Nissan (dunno where they'll be placed once the Silvia stops) and a variety of other smaller players in the Aussie market putting on performance cars to "fill in the gaps".
The Australian consumer market is very conservative not only in the way they buy cars but a whole variety of things. Hence you won't see cars like the Caldina, Ist, bB etc in Australia. Also cars such as the Crown, Chaser (in both turbo and non turbo formats) step into each other's target market and in most markets, are confused say a LS400 to a Crown as an Avalon to a Chaser (yes, one's RWD and the other is FWD but Mr and Mrs Smith doesn't give two hoots about that). Look at how much the Prado has eaten into the sale of the Landcruiser. Ditto Avalon from Camry.
Toyota wants to position themselves as a no-risk car company and to be everything to everyone is financially not feasible without assistance from the government (highly unlikely). At the end of the day, it's all about maximising profits, and minimising risk.
Btw, even the Celica TRD Type M can't match a Integra Type R.
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Tue, 01 October 2002 14:30
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Talk about releasing a new Corolla into Australia next year sometime with a Celica type engine. They say it will be pretty heavy for its size though but should be good for about 145 Kw. Just have to wait and see.
Also, has anyone else read the the new Speed magazine? 3rd issue,(the latest one) features a cool Supra and also Rod McMillan's (Celica Pike's peak dude) tripped out Celica worth almost a million bucks!!
Chris.
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I think they should make a light RWD coupe, similar to the size of a 200SX. Whack in the BEAMS 3SGE and a six-speed and take over the niche market when the 200SX dies. Toyota have the resources and technology to make a great handling car for an affordable price, they just need to at least get one eye out from their cardigans and attack some of the niches out there.
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Wed, 02 October 2002 01:31
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JCMF thats the thing, its not toyota thats the problem its "toyota australia", and kudos to whoever came up with the old man cardigan thing thats exactly how i see it/them.
makes u wonder why we are toyota enthusiasts...
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Wed, 02 October 2002 02:17
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Yeah, I know what you meant. What I was saying was that surely Toyota Australia could see how successful the 200SX was in its segment, and if Toyota itself made a light RWD car, it would be a good oppurtunity for them to try it out when the 200SX is finished.
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Wed, 02 October 2002 02:48
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i dont know if nissan is going to put the 200sx to rest... its been way to popular for too long, its like their flagship car!
but still i think toyota should muscle its way into the market here, agreed with the light, 4cyl based RWD, nimble and sexy, with options for both the beams 3sge and maybe a new gen 3sgte? just to keep the punters happy
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Hmm, the old cardigan car brigade problem- I was thinking the bought all the cressidas when they were still coming out here right? so what about the chaser's, aristo's, mark2's whatever, they are all mid sized rwd sedans right-e.g avalon sized-surely there are n/a versions in japan, and a six pot rear drive car would be a killer for a falcodore competitior, then just bring in a few of the tom's edition ones and stuff, plug the tom's/trd name on the merchandising instead of the trd shit, and they'd have both the youth and the geriatrics covered.
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I think they should make a light RWD coupe, similar to the size of a 200SX. Whack in the BEAMS 3SGE and a six-speed and take over the niche market when the 200SX dies.
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That's the new Trueno. If it ever becomes a reality..
RS200 drivetrain with all the luxury crap stripped out.
And if it becomes a reality, let's hope it comes here....
*fingers crossed*
*wishful thinking*
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Wed, 02 October 2002 06:36
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How quickly things change.
I can remember 10 years ago reading my old Wheels/Car/Motor magazine Toyota used to pride themselves on their sports model selection. I can recall a magazine ad toyota ran for a while, it read AUSTRALIA'S LARGEST SPORTS STORE (or something to that effect) and had a birds eye shot of all the Sporty cars available from the Toyota Dealers. I'll have a look for the ad at home tonight and scan it but it featured the Supra, The Celica GT4 Goup A Rallye, the Corolla GTi and a few others which included the Paseo (even tho it's slow as shit). Times are a bit difficult for car manufacturers and with the Koreans being tough competetors in the market, alot of the Jap companies have lost market share and subssequently cut back their profit margins which in the past would have allowed them to be a bit more adventourous with their model ranges. Europeans have bustled their way into this market well tho but it doesn't help those of us who have a 'budget'.
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Wed, 02 October 2002 07:30
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Julz,
I remember that ad very well. I've got a copy right here.
Anyway, the thing was apart from the GTi, every other car sold poorly. It doesn't give the marketing manager any hope in keeping his job when Toyota Japan is aching for more $$ and in times of poor exchange rates and poor economic conditions worldwide, they really can't be taking risk, especially in a very conservative market like Australia. Either that or the ADR disappears and we begin importing cars like they do in NZ (I'm dreaming).
In most Asian countries, parallel imports are allowed without much tariffs which then helps with the variety of cars that get driven into a country. If you go to places like HK or China, the close proximity to Japan makes parts easy to access (unlike down in woop-woop-land called Australia). Also helps since most of those countries don't have any "ADR" there nor any much pollution controls.
As easy as it would say to "whack in a 3SGE", financially and strategically it is difficult. If you don't like what Toyota sells, then go buy some other brand that does meet your needs.
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Wed, 02 October 2002 09:12
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What I meant is Toyota should think sideways. I do hope they make the new Trueno. No offence, but it looks SHITLOADS better than the old one. Nissan had to find a way to make the S15 200SX affordable enough to bring it into Australia, and it has worked in their favour.
Toyota definetly have the money to try and make a lightweight RWD car, they already have the technology there, it wouldn't be hard for them to put some of the good bits into a decent car. They've done plenty of oddball cars using that method, Will Vi anyone?
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Wed, 02 October 2002 10:00
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Toyota are long overdue in bringing a good sports car to our shores in my opinion.
All the talk about business strategies & risk is all relevant, but you can't forget the corolla sportivo. Toyota Australia took one of the biggest risks possible, when instead of offering something already produced but unavailable here, they took a nanna-mobile and whacked on a povo turbo kit and body kit.
How did it sell? Totally shit.
If they can take as big a risk as the sportivo 'rolla, then they obviously recognise a market. This is also shown by the whole sportivo range.
But I guess this is also aimed at the larger portion of the market, ie the people who like bodgy kits & chrome mag wheels, with standard engines bar a chrome tip.
As for why we are Toyota enthusiasts, just look at our avatars! We're all living in the past, trying to relive Toyotas former glory.
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Toyota Australia has been smoking crack for quite sometime. I swear the guys in Japan must ring up and say "ok we have got a fuel injected screamer with all the bells and whistles, as well as one slightly detuned down from that, then there is a more restricted version of this motor but still fuel injected with twin cams etc etc"
To which toyota Australia says "do you have anything with a carb?"
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Classic, absolute classic! 
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Wed, 02 October 2002 12:07
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With all the money Toyota have been putting into Formula One and the Cart series lately they obviously have someone working for them who thinks motorsport/performance cars are somewhat important.
Honda has been using its involvement in Indy to advertise its cars for a few years now and I think it has worked pretty well.
If Toyota took a similar approach to promote a performance car in Australia I'm sure it would do well also. They could make some huge claims considering the success they've had in their relatively short experience in these sports.
But this is clearly not their target audience in Australia. Just take a look at their withdrawl from Rally Australia in the past few years leaving Mitsubishi and Subaru to capture that market.
Just a Thought </Rant>
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Wed, 02 October 2002 12:11
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A lot of the problem could be from the fact they just don't market the cars very well? I don't ever remember seeing any advertisements on TV or something for the Corolla Sportivo or the Celica. Just about every new car magazine has in the front cover the Nissan 200SX.
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Wed, 02 October 2002 13:06
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Speak for yourself Joel,
ok ok so my car is 8 years old. NNNOOOOO!!! im living in the past too.
Sorry couldnt resist
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25 years and OVER BABY!!! man.. my car has more history than i do! someone probably scored in there before i was concieved!
actually... i dont want to think about that.... anyway, yes.. we are enthusiasts because we live in the past, with the distant hope that toyota will one day return itself to its former glory! RWD EVERYTHING!!! ultracool curves and shapes, tuff-as-a-brick-shithouse engines and everything else that we all love about our old toyotas
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Thu, 03 October 2002 00:59
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$30g sports cars ??
Renault Clio Sport for sure, about 32g new, they eat everything else for that money, FWD though.
15.0 on the 1/4 in ultra luxury. Classy styling, big brakes + wheels.
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Actually, the Clio Sport sparked my interest a little bit when I saw the price on them the other day. BUT (and that's a BIG but ) like you said, it is a FWD..
Anyone know the 0-100/qtr mile stats of the S15? I can't seem to find them anywhere..
All this is purely hypothetical of course. 
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Thu, 03 October 2002 03:19
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from memory... so this is very loose... around 14s 1/4 mile, and under 8 sec 0-100?
thats vague memory tho
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Thu, 03 October 2002 03:51
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 14s sounds pretty decent! 0-100 must be a decent bit under 8 seconds then if that's the case. 
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yeah paul im prett ysure its a tad under 15... well remember the car does have close raio gearing, 145kW, RWD, and only weighs less than 1300kg (i even think its closer to 1200)... when u think about it thats a damn hard package to beat from factory. dont forget also that bolting up a new exhaust, and a pund or two extra boost via a bleed valve or boost controller will gain you a bonus 20kW or so.... (or get your hands on the 187kW ECU from japan... )
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the last great sportscar brought out by toyota oz is none other than the celica ST205 GRp a GT4 .
Its one car worthy off the ballsy dept - and still has the power to outgrunt a wrx in standard trim and match it with STI's ..
10 yrs old these things still slay - they might not be as " refined " now as evo's and Rexes - but i sure as hell know what id prefer to drive - they are MEAN !
the chaser can be imported now which is interesting - but toymota are screaming out for a niche model like the rex ..
They should bring back the GT4 !
sorry guys - but bar GTI corollas and sprinter/trueno's- the rest are designed as mums taxi's .. They never have the same " image " around them for sportscarness as celicas of old had
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10 yrs old these things still slay - they might not be as " refined " now as evo's and Rexes - but i sure as hell know what id prefer to drive - they are MEAN
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I will agree on that.. from my '94 wheel's sitting here, 0-100kph: 6.8sec, 1/4 : 14.6, not bad comparing a Rex's times in the lastest issue, 0-100: 7.5 (STI: 6.1), 1/4: 15.3 (STI:14.2). So in my book... GT4 = STILL QUICK!!
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Paul - depending on your budget, try and audi A3 or A4 turbo/quattro($$)... you would be AMAZED at how good they are! never underestimate the germans!
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I was wondering why I decided on an S3? I was very impressed by everything!
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Fri, 04 October 2002 09:18
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Johnny,
Keep in mind that the Australian delivered GT4 ST205 was also detuned.
The jap spec was had an extra 12KW and the same torque as an STI.
Best motor in Japan tested it in stock trim and got a 13.969 1/4 mile out of it.
When mine was stock other than extra boost it ran a 13.54 on the G-Tech and i missed 4th gear. 0-100 in 5.22 sec
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Well, compare the REX of that time too.. It was only when Brocky was stuck in a REX, that any of the 14.8/6.8 figures for a WRX show up ie something close to a GT4 , remembering he didn't even drive the GT4, So those times would for a GT4 could be relistically higher, due to crappy driving/take off. But hating to burst any bubbles, Audi and Lancia were producing 5sec and lower 0-100 times and mid-lower 13 sec 1/4 back in the earlier to mid '80's (depending on EVOLUTION), only problems was , one good handbrakie and it was time for a new gearbox.
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: Do Toyota make performance cars anymore?
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Fri, 04 October 2002 14:34
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i liked that comment about we are all living in the past. but you cant blame us can u? i mean, who hear would be proud to boast owning a toyota made in the last 5 years? 
i see shitloads, and i mean SHITLOADS of old celicas (talking ta2x, ra2x) around. Toyota obviously did very well with this celica in australia for a few good reasons. 1, it was cheap to buy. 2, cheap to run. 3, had quite alot of technological features that werent that common in australia at the time. 4, looked good (and still does ). what have toyota released recently that does that? nothing!
toyota arnt an old man with a cardigan company these days, they are an old man with a cardigan, slippers with a zipper, and still remembers when a pack of smokes cost 25c
most of my ideas for what toyota should have already been discussed here, but here is a variation of one for ya
toyota are pretty conservative at the moment, but i really think they should release the celica with fwd or rwd as a choice, just for an experiment (i know it would be hard for them, but i think just a once off to see what happens wouldnt be too much of a major risk for them). i mean, it does have a good engine, its just a few kw off an sr20det which is pretty good for a smaller capacity engine na engine. along with that, they should make some kind of stripped down version, taking out alot of the electronics to help drop the price
o and i know this is kinda straying from what was saying, but i see the major problem with the sports car industry is not that there isnt enough buyers for it, its just that the majority of the people that want to purchase them, cant afford it!
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Do Toyota make performance cars anymore?
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Fri, 04 October 2002 15:07
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This is why i own an AE82 with a whacked out rally forsaken 3SGTE motor in it and love driving every moment, it needs some work, but Id rather spend 20K on that than a new corolla which is a joke of a car =]
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New Zealand
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May 2002
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Re: Do Toyota make performance cars anymore?
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Sat, 05 October 2002 11:30
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| THE WITZL wrote on Thu, 03 October 2002 16:08 |
yeah paul im prett ysure its a tad under 15... well remember the car does have close raio gearing, 145kW, RWD, and only weighs less than 1300kg (i even think its closer to 1200)... when u think about it thats a damn hard package to beat from factory. dont forget also that bolting up a new exhaust, and a pund or two extra boost via a bleed valve or boost controller will gain you a bonus 20kW or so.... (or get your hands on the 187kW ECU from japan... )
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Should I mention NZ gets 184kw/six speed box for NZ$45,495 (AUS$39,865).....
Oh yeah, and easy, cheap access to basically ANYTHING available in Japan (although new crash safety standards make it impossible to import anything pre 94 now).
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Central Coast, NSW
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October 2002
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Re: Do Toyota make performance cars anymore?
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Tue, 08 October 2002 01:18
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THe MR2 in my opinion aint much of a sports car. Doesn't it go from 0-100 in 8.5 seconds or something. Underpowered, overpriced and auto. Hmm.
The WRX STi is a nice car with 195Kw and can be tweaked to get 225Kw (with a $5500 price tag though!). My girlfriend's dad drives a gun metal one with a 17.5 pound boost on it. Very nice .
But I guess you just can't beat the Supra. For $33000 you can get a twin turbo model with 30000km on the clock. And better yet, it's 240Kw to the rear wheels.
New line up of cars, pathetic lately. I agree.
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: Do Toyota make performance cars anymore?
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Tue, 08 October 2002 03:20
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Quote: I was wondering why I decided on an S3? I was very impressed by everything!
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TOO TRUE!! man... there is no other 4 cylinder super hatchie that i would buy. not only are the S3 sexy, but they are FAST, refined, technologically advanced over just about anything on the market, they have all the features you'd only expect to have on a $200000 BMW and they are GERMAN!!! what more can you want?
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