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sydney, roselands
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October 2004
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5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 09:17
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ey guyz,
me an my mate are workin on this idea for his 92 paseo.
first we were thinkin of turboing it yet there seems to be alot of expenses when going turbo and its much more complicated where super charginbg is much more simple and im begining to think it may even be more effective.
our first problem
how would we control how much boost the super charger provides?
i think ive read that the pulley sizes are what makes the boost but im not sure of it, whats going to happen is were going to get an airconditioner belt and pulley set along with the brackets for it and such and such bcoz his car aint got aircon in it.. were gena customize the aircon bvrackets to fit the super charger and use the belt for it to run the charger BUT
we have no idea how much boost this will make and how much it will over load the charger lol and we dont even know if its a good idea,
guyz i need ur help on this.. as much info as possible
thanx heaps y'all
laterz
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 11:54
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1. Despite common misconceptions, supercharging is not simpler OR cheaper than turbocharging.
2. The belt used to run an aircon pump is not big enough to run a supercharger (very different power requirements). You will need custom pulleys and preferably a toothed belt.
3. Boost level will depend on the type of supercharger used (eg positive displacement vs centrifugal), the size of the blower, the size/VE of the engine, and yes the rpm of the supercharger is important as well so you need to choose the pulley size carefully.
4. You obviously have no idea how any of this works, so abandon any plans you may have until you've done a lot of reading on the subject. It's not a simple matter of buying a supercharger, bolting it on and driving away... getting the whole package to work properly takes a lot of knowledge and experience, not to mention money!
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Location:
Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 13:19
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hahaha i respect norbie, thats a good combination of advice there where i agree too,
add to that:
5. the cams on the 5SFE are evil and will piss you off, incase you don't know already an F head is an economy head.
6. the 5SFE is limitted in its abilities to produce power i have had this discussion with many on this site a the 5SFE is a bad adaption of a 3SGE, storked(no longer square 86x86), loss of engine internals, and many other things i'm not happy about, surgestions would be go get your self a 3SGE, or better yet a 3SGTE will suit you and will have the force induction.
7. note a front wheel drive will be come more of a dog to drive when you pull more and more power out of an engine.
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Location:
sydney, roselands
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October 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 13:53
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AHEM.. 5Efe not S this is a paseo not a celica and its a 1.5 not a 2.2 thanx neway
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Location:
sydney, roselands
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October 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 13:58
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thanx for the advice norbie,
i had no intention of bolting up and driving away yet no need 2 b harsh. im jus lookin for sum answers and the way you say the boost works is prety much how i imagioned it to work yet if we were to have some one make a custom bracket to hold the super charger in place do u think that an air conditioner units brackets would be more useful working off them or do u think that we should get someone to start from scratch
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Location:
sydney, roselands
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October 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 14:04
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by the way were talkin abou a 4agze super charger im getin for 300 buks ne good for the price ? or should i forget the damn idea all together lol
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 15:28
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Yes, forget the idea altogether. If you want forced induction, do an engine conversion to a 4E-FTE or whatever the turbo version of your engine is. So much better, easier and cheaper!
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Location:
Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Sat, 16 October 2004 15:33
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If you want a reliable daily driver forget the whole idea, if you want a long project and more power you can try it.
You could base the whole lot on a 4AGZE. Almost the same capacity, probably a similar VE (I'm guessing there) and at least it'd give you somewhere to start. Machine up pulleys in the right size ratio and try and fit all the stuff.
But then there are the problems of making an intake, sorting the fuel system, intercooling, etc, etc, etc. There's a guy on here who knows alot about E series and Paseos called 10sec_rx7 or something similar I think.
My advice, go 4EFTE, or if you don't want to lose any capacity do a 5EFTE hybrid.
Hen
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Location:
Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Wed, 20 October 2004 13:44
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out of interest guys is there a 5EFTE engine at all i thought they only released turbos on the G engines the sports heads.
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Thu, 21 October 2004 00:24
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Not sure about 5E-FTE, but there certainly is a 4E-FTE.
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Location:
Perth
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August 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Thu, 21 October 2004 04:02
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There are two Paseos in Perth I know of that are turbocharged.. Both have the 4E-FTE motor out of the turbo starlet...
The main difference between them is that the 4E is 1.3 lires whereas the the 5E is 1.5.. It may be possible to grab all the turbo gear off the 4EFTE and turbocharge your Paseo engine with a lot less hassle than the supercharger that was suggested
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Location:
Nowra
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July 2004
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Tue, 23 November 2004 02:10
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The whole head from the 4E-FTE will fit on the 5E-FE. Take a look on Paseopimp for way more info.
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Toymods Club Treasurer
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Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 5E-FE super charged ?
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Tue, 23 November 2004 04:10
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Out of curiousity, why wouldn't a multi V belt run a supercharger?
I thought a lot of the superchargers for smaller engines just ran one of these.
I can understand that a normal V belt wouldn't have the surface area to create enough friction, but does a supercharger have that much load to overcome a multi V belt like modern cars A/C & power steer?
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