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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 20 October 2004 00:46
 
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I think you are right on the sizes and offsets, as that what a group buy on CelicaSupra.com came up with. They got a batch of ROH Snyper rims made up. I think the end offset that they were able to get was a little different though.
http://www.celicasupra.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= 5364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
It looks like they ended up with 17x8" +17mm, and 17x9" +17 (instead of the +10 and +0).
Who is making up the rims ? ROH do an affordable 3 piece rim that can be made to suit.
Either that, or you can buy my Simmons ...... 
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Wed, 20 October 2004 00:51
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Joorsh, are we talking about 4 stud here?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 20 October 2004 01:37
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| draven wrote on Wed, 20 October 2004 11:07 |
and if it is, we could both call up ROH and ask them if they would be willing to make another couple 
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They are out of production sadly, I already asked 
They are looking at maybe doing another GB on CS.com, but including 16's as well.
Josh, just saved you the trip to maccas
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Wed, 20 October 2004 02:11
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simmons are cool.....
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 20 October 2004 03:11
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Yeah, these are 4 x 114 stud pattern.
How much for your rims baaachy, and what are the specs? And why are you selling?
And what does everyone think of the price for these rims?
Bloody hell, get a car already Draven - I'm sick of being your mackas bitch. Be round in 15 mins
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 20 October 2004 03:26
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| joorsh wrote on Wed, 20 October 2004 13:11 |
Yeah, these are 4 x 114 stud pattern.
How much for your rims baaachy, and what are the specs? And why are you selling?
And what does everyone think of the price for these rims?
Bloody hell, get a car already Draven - I'm sick of being your mackas bitch. Be round in 15 mins
-J-
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I'm after offers around $800, but they are 5 stud though.
Specs and pics are here ;
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=46769&rid=3701&S=bf92c570f8883be2f6d0ba4 3db781cf7&pl_view=&start=0#msg_426442
Basically want to concentrate on the 17's and may be using a bigger caliper (Porsche GT3) which will cause clearance issues, and to helpay for other purchases (brakes etc...)
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Thu, 21 October 2004 02:49
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Josh and Draven,
Played around with my car last night and did some work on the rear brakes and refitted the 17x8" rims that I have.
With the offset at +6mm and an extra couuple of mmm to allow for the thicker disc hat, at max compression the tyre (235/45) only just clears the inside edge of the flare.
So if u=you go wider and have less offset, be ready to scrape when the suspension bottoms out !!!
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Thu, 21 October 2004 11:04
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So by the sound of things we don't want to go any less than 10mm or so on the rear?
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Thu, 21 October 2004 21:30
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Do a test fit if you can, but that is what I'd recommend
Cheers
Michael B
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Fri, 22 October 2004 00:25
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I should be getting an email from the guy in a day or two with pictures of all the potential styles I can choose from. I'll post them here when I get them and if anyone else would like a set made up let me know.
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Sun, 24 October 2004 21:55
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Josh,
Got my car on the ground yesterday, and can give you the following measurements ;
16x8 Simmons, +25 offset - clearance to the outside of the flare on the front guard as 18mm (from the bag part of the tyre).
17x8 CSA Gladiators +6 offset - clearance to the outside of the flare on the front guard as 8mm (from the bag part of the tyre - note that this gives only about 2mm clearance to the INSIDE of the flare).
17x8 CSA Gladiators +6 offset - clearance to the outside of the flare on the rear guard as 43mm with no spacer at all, but with thicker Merc discs and MS123 hubs (from the bag part of the tyre - note that this gives only about 25mm clearance to the INSIDE of the flare).
Hope this helps
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Mon, 25 October 2004 00:04
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 07:55 |
17x8 CSA Gladiators +6 offset - clearance to the outside of the flare on the rear guard as 43mm with no spacer at all, but with thicker Merc discs and MS123 hubs (from the bag part of the tyre - note that this gives only about 25mm clearance to the INSIDE of the flare).
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I have 17x9 +25mm wheels for the rear end of my Supra, and I'm a bit worried about clearance on the inner edge. What are your thoughts based on the above?
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Mon, 25 October 2004 00:50
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 10:04 |
| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 07:55 |
17x8 CSA Gladiators +6 offset - clearance to the outside of the flare on the rear guard as 43mm with no spacer at all, but with thicker Merc discs and MS123 hubs (from the bag part of the tyre - note that this gives only about 25mm clearance to the INSIDE of the flare).
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I have 17x9 +25mm wheels for the rear end of my Supra, and I'm a bit worried about clearance on the inner edge. What are your thoughts based on the above?
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Your rims should sit out (the outer edge of the rim) about an extra 5mm over what I have. What will make the difference is teh width of the tyre, as that is what actually will hit.
Most of the Yanks try and run 17x9 with 0 offset, but I don't know whether it hits or not.
Don't forget, that as part of the 5 stud conversion, there is an extra 2mm per side width from the thicker disc flange, and I don't know if the stub has any more/less offset than the std either.
What are you using at the front Norbs ?
Here are some pics of the front and back
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Mon, 25 October 2004 01:56
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Hmmm sounds like it's a case of suck it and see... spacers might be in order! 
Fronts are 17x8 +25mm, but they will be used in conjunction with the MX83 struts/hubs which have a totally different offset to the MA61. Basically I have no idea what's going to happen there, I'll have to wait and see! I know tyre-to-strut clearance won't be a problem (already done a test-fit) but tyre-to-guard clearance is another matter.
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Mon, 25 October 2004 02:01
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| Norbie wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 11:56 |
Hmmm sounds like it's a case of suck it and see... spacers might be in order!
Fronts are 17x8 +25mm, but they will be used in conjunction with the MX83 struts/hubs which have a totally different offset to the MA61. Basically I have no idea what's going to happen there, I'll have to wait and see! I know tyre-to-strut clearance won't be a problem (already done a test-fit) but tyre-to-guard clearance is another matter.
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I can give you a good design for the rear spacers (as long as you use the longer studs).
Otherwise, hurry up and get it done !!!!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 02:07
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LOL yeah yeah, I want this done more than anyone! I need to take some time off work though, and the bastards won't let me do that until late November.
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 27 October 2004 13:46
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And the results are in gentlemen!
These are one of the sets that said they could make up in 3-piece for me:
a clip from the email Paul sent me:
"These wheels can be made up in the specs you require. ET-5 to ET10. 17x8.0 front, 17x9.0 rear. The wheels do not have centrecaps."
Apparently decent sized dish and brand new centres (as seen by the daggy blue foam strip around the edge). No centre caps available sadly, but I'm sure I can find something.
Waiting for a response as to other centre variations, and how many they can make up. What do you guys reckon?
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Wed, 27 October 2004 16:02
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Fuckin' sexy... if I may say so.
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Wed, 27 October 2004 21:11
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Looks good, but how come no centre caps ?
One thing to consider though.
Dish is great and I'd love more on mine, but if you are going to upgrade the brakes, you'll be restricted to a sliding head type caliper (not necessarily bad) rather than 4 potter, as you'll have minimal clearance on the back face of the spokes.
I'd like to see the other designs though
Have you looked at the ROH 3 piece wheel range at all ? There are some reasonable ones in there ?
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Wed, 27 October 2004 23:04
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Are there? Can't say I've ever looked...
What are they price wise? The reason I'm finding this so appealing is I've yet to see anything this good for the same price ($1,700 or under). If Roh can come up with a nicely priced rim I'll definitely be interested!
-J-
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Wed, 27 October 2004 23:21
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http://www.roh.com.au/pages/html/home.htm
They make the following styles (under high performance on the website). The styles are called Venturo, Monaco, Chicane, Milano and Modena.
From memory, they were in the $380 to $420 range, but can't be sure
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Michael B
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Thu, 28 October 2004 05:31
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Just called up ROH Australia - quoted me $590 each for a set of 17x8 and 17x9 Monaco rims. Called up my local friendly Jax dealer and was able to get them for $550 each from there. I think it's still gunna work out cheaper to go with my original plan... But thanks for the info anyway Baaachyyy.
I have to admit, the ROH's do look nicer.
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 08:32
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any chance you want to sell me ur old rims, they may not suit the ma61 but my mz10 soarer on the other hand.....
if you are interested could you pm me with what sort of dollars youd be after?
cheers
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 08:59
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If I find rims I can afford, I'll definitely be selling my old rims. A bit early to say at this stage though.
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Sun, 07 November 2004 05:04
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My old rims are definitely up for grabs now I have found some nice big fat rims I like. Details are in the for-sale section.
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 01:52
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Shite, the ROH's are similar in price to Simmons.
So what are the details on the new rims ??????????/
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 09:31
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I managed to get my grimy little paws on a set of ROH rims designed for the commodore cup. They're brand new, but the catch is there's only two of them (17x9). They're pretty much identical in looks to the ROH RT's however, so I'm going to get two of those to match for the front (17x8). Sadly they don't normally make the RT's in 17x9.
The rims are costing $1080 delivered - the problem now is the 5x144.3 stud pattern and +40 offset. Problem solved thanks to a set of hub adapters for $300. The adapters are approx 30mm thick, and bolt onto the 4 stud pattern.
My rubber of choice is looking at being the BFG G-force, and I'm going for 235 at the front of 255 at the rear. Anyone had any experience with these tires? Are they a good choice? They did pretty damn well in the tests I read about.
The 3-piece rims I had been working on are now up for grabs, but I believe Draven has first dibs on them, so if you want to investigate you'll have to take it up with him now.
<passes the buck>
-J-
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:06
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Sounds great !!!! Am I reading right that the rear rims are different pattern to the fronts ?
I'd be a bit worried about the +40 offset though, and whilst you can get spacers (and I had them, but I reckon my design is quite different and better), I don't favour them.
The best thing to note is that with the tyres pay close attention to the 'treadwear rating' (lower is grippier), and that you can get a tyre that is non-directional (so you can at least swap them side to side or flip them on the rim to reduce uneven wear.
When I was looking at wider rears, it was hard to get matching tread patterns in different profiles, e.g. a 235/45 has a different profile to the 225/40 even though it is the same 'brand' and same 'style'. Mind you that is a personal choice.
Also note that with wider & lower profile rubber, the effect of rear camber wearing the tyre inner is greatly accentuated.
Last of all, got any pics ?????
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:18
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The rims are the same pattern and same style, front to rear. Looking at them, they will appear to be identical. As for the offset, the hub adapters that convert me to 5 stud double as a kind of spacer, pushing my offset out to +38. (30mm adapter + 8mm offset).
The tires are quite grippy - they out-performed michelin and actually beat them in the factory tests - they're made at the michelin factory.
They are not reversable however - single direction. As for the tread pattern - you're dead right - the pattern is slighty different with the different front/rear tires. I'm fixing this by getting BFG G-Force's at the front, and BFG Profiler G's at the rear (so now my patterns match, and grip factor is very similar).
And lastly - the camber. I just had my whole suspension overhauled, and all the camber settings matched up, so it shouldn't be a problem. I'm running 1.5 neg on the rears currently, which will wear a bit I know, but I believe it's worth it for the mid-corner grip. What do you reckon?
Tires:
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:32
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Here's a pik of the profiler tires. It's pretty darn similar.
In fact I can't really tell the difference.
-J-
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:36
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| joorsh wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 21:32 |
Here's a pik of the profiler tires. It's pretty darn similar.
In fact I can't really tell the difference.
-J-
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Open ze eyes !!!
There is a difference, but it apperas to be minor.
What prices for what sizes ?
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:43
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The G'force's are $200 for 235/40 r17
and the Profiler's are $325 for 255/40 r17
(I think the /40 is correct - whatever it is to suit my 17's)
-J-
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:44
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I like the big chunky dual water groove. driving in the wet is a hair-raising experience in my baby!
-J-
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:49
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sizes are correct, and the pricing is OK for the 235, but fark me on the 255 !!!!!
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:52
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It's a pretty unusual size. Let me know if you find anything better!
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:38
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awesome guys...who's in SA and wants their MA61 wheels gone...??i'm gonna grab them.. 
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Re: Getting rims made for an MA61.
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Thu, 23 December 2004 02:59
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| joorsh wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 20:31 |
I managed to get my grimy little paws on a set of ROH rims designed for the commodore cup. They're brand new, but the catch is there's only two of them (17x9). They're pretty much identical in looks to the ROH RT's however, so I'm going to get two of those to match for the front (17x8). Sadly they don't normally make the RT's in 17x9.
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Just to add some info and do my bit for digging up old threads, but the ROH RT's are also made for a pre-AU ford stud pattern, but the offset for the 17x8 is 0, which means that it would not be a legal option for those doing the 5 stud conversion.
The 17x9's are also not made anymore, so that is a bummer as well.
What did you end up doing Josh ?
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