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2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 02:49
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Hi guys,
First post, newbie here etc, some of you might know me from performance forums, or autospeed etc.. where i posted as GSRman, i recognise a few names around here, i think dale has told me about this place before..
When i was looking around for info i came across this site and slylux's car, hella cool.
I'm after info/links/thoughts whatever.
I'm selling the SS, (if anyone wants one, let me know) current plan is to buy a >=1999 hilux 2wd tray or ute back, and slap a 2J in it.
I know a 1j is cheaper but i wish to be able to tow my race-car around (should it ever run) and i want to be able to pull it along the hyway without being on boost, so i think the extra displacement in a 2j will help.
Things i want
1. To be able to jump in and drive the thing to work everyday with new-ish car reliability.
2. To be able to drive distances in relative comfort.
3. Tow car trailer.
4. Not draw too much attention.
5. Do big smokey burnouts on occasion.
6. Auto.
7. Be faster than your average falcadore v8.
8. Chuck a load of wood in the back, etc.
9. My mrs has to be able to drive it when needed.
10. Engineered, rego'd insured.
11. air-con, heating, power steer should all work
Things i think i know.
1. The 2J should fit in the engine bay - ? (radiator will have to be moved)
2. Getting a front cut should supply me with everything i need?
3. The front cut will have to be a later model than the hilux?
4. A water-air intercooler will be an easier fit?
5. How much should i be paying for a front-cut?
6. Should i be getting a supra cut? or something else?
7. Is there many different variants of 2jgte around? if so, is 1 going to be an easier transplant than others?
8. Anyone know of anyone/where thats put a 1j/2j into a hilux?
9. Approximate cost? - I'm hoping to get some money back from the engine/box, i can do a fair bit of the work, but exhaust etc is going to be way beyond me, as is likely the wiring.
10. i should be able to buy wiring diagrams for the cut and the hilux straight from toyota?
Any help would be tops guys, thanks.
Cheers.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 02:56
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1. Yes, but as you are no doubt aware it will take some fiddling.
2. Most things, yes. 
3. Unfortunately so.
4. My guess would be yes... once you've moved the radiator there won't be much room for an air-to-air cooler.
5. For a 99+ model VVTi front cut, expect to pay shiteloads. I don't know anyone who's bought one but for an auto cut I'd guess you'd be looking at the $8-12k range.
6. You'd probably be better off getting an Aristo cut; they tend to be cheaper than Supras for the same engine. It depends what's available though.
7. For a 99+ model, there are only two versions as far as I'm aware: Supra and Aristo. The differences between them are minor and probably irrelevant when it comes to an engine conversion, with the possible exception of sump configuration which you should investigate closely before making a decision.
8. A few people around here have put 1JZ's into Hilux's. Do a search and you should find plenty of info.
9. I wouldn't even want to guess. Lots!
10. Wiring diagrams for pre-VVTi 2JZ's are easily available, not so sure about VVTi stuff though. Have a chat to "sideshow", he knows all about this stuff.
Hope that helps!
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I supported Toymods
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I renounced punctuation
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May 2002
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 03:03
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Nishad bought a VVTi motor and 6 speed for about 7K as an 'engine-gearbox package' (not halfcut). He did the wiring himself without wiring diagrams and it was an 'absolute bitch'. He didn't like the electronic throttle control.
www.supras.nl has a partial ECU pinout for the 2JZGTE VVTi motor.
As Norbie has stated it is doable (plenty of 1JZ powered Hiluxes) but your conversion will not be cheap.
Have you considered an earlier Hilux and a 1UZ?
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 03:25
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Norbs: cheers
gianttomato: ive considered an earlier lux, but basicly after doing the sums, its better for me to get a <5year old one and lease it, than it is to outright buy a 91+ one, and i need to get back into a turbo car
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 03:49
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From a couple of other threads it seems that i should be able to drop in any VVT 2J? because they are the same as the ones made up to date? or does the specific engine have to have been made after the car?
Does anyone know if the twins will foul the steering? seems to be common with 1j's into earlier models..
One of my concerns if i went with a 1J instead of a 2J is the auto, are the 1J and 2J auto's different? (and indeed are they different between an aristo and a supra?)
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 09:33
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After reading your list of things you want, I would have thought the 1uz-fe would have been a better option. Just my opinion though.
I thought it was the specific engine that had to be later than the car. Definitely best to check with the RTA though.
what is your concern with the auto? if you were to get a 1jz, you buy a 1jz front cut with auto or if you want a 2jz, you buy a 2jz with auto. I can't remember if they are the same off the top of my head. 1jz has an A340e. I am pretty certain that the autos in a supra or aristo would be the same.
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 10:14
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Well i guess a 1uz would be good.. but i drove a mates courier with a 1g, and it was REALLY nice.. i currently drive an SS ute, so i dont really want to go down a simular path...
This will be my first auto, so i know little about them, im worried that i will destroy it towing a car trailer around... so im inclined to go for the toughest i can.. basicly im trying to build it as 'stevie proof' as i can as one of my mates put it..
anyone know anything about the diffs in the 2wd ones? i know the 4wd ones are good things but what about the 2wd ones?
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 10:34
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if the 1j and 2j autos are not the same they would be very similar. And the killer of the 1jz autos is heat. If you have a well position gearbox oil cooler (I am also running a thermo fan on mine) that will definitely help.
Hilux diff = unbreakable 
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Thu, 28 October 2004 11:45
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chris: awesome, a big trans cooler was always on the cards
I have a chance to pick up a 99 model lux with 50K on it tomorrow... just a hassle to organise finance etc...  but its only $12,650 looks neat, but im going to go and have a look..
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 05:52
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went out and looked at those luxes today... and apart from deciding i didn't want either of them, i noticed the engine bays on both were hella-short... like easilly 100mm shorter than the early 90's ones... so they are out..
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sunny coast, qld
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 07:57
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the newer hiluxes are out or the 2jz is out?
1uz an option still?
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 08:42
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The newer hiluxes are out...
oh well, between the cheaper front-cut and the cheaper car, i guess i should start looking at single turbo conversions...
1uz would be cool.. but i really want something with 200 rwkw+
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Location:
perth WA
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January 2003
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 09:40
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have a quick look at this link .. iv had a 1jz in my 90's lux for more than 2 yrs .. but i didnt take any progress pics .. this link is my mates lux .. he copyied me , and i helped out a bit .. i did the conversion for similar reasons .. 2 motox bikes we take to and from tracks all over the state .. tow well and sits on 140 full loaded .. easy ..
also i am making engine mount the exact same as mine $300 the set .. made from 12mm plate an 8mm bar .. seems strong enough for 400 rwhp
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 14:38
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What link?
are the mountings on 2j's and 1j's the same?
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Location:
perth WA
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January 2003
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Fri, 29 October 2004 14:59
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http://www.lowerlevel.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t =64
that link .. also 1jz and 2jz share the same block design .. except 2jz is about 20mm taller stroke so the block is 20mm higher .. i have a 2jz in the shed possible for sale .
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2004
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Sat, 30 October 2004 01:40
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another question:
did you have to clock your turbo to run the intercooler piping under the inlet pipe?
and I love the way the intercooler piping is done on the inlet manifold side of the engine. I would like to do mine a similar way. is that 3" piping?
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Location:
perth WA
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January 2003
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Re: 2jz into hilux.
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Sat, 30 October 2004 09:53
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gt30 bb turbo with 20-21 psi , havent driven as a daily driver since i went the gt30 turbo .. but i did daily drive it when i had the CT26 turbo ( 230rwhp @14 psi)
i think that piping is 3" .. the car in the pics is not mine .. mine is 1 pic .. shiney blue eng .. and also the one with the chrome mags .. the car that is featured in the link .. is my mates .. it has stock ecu , inj , AUTO !! and a gt25/28 .. 440hp internal gate and made 197 rwhp at 8psi .. he does use this as a daily driver , and doesnt sit in the shed like my car does
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