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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 05:03
 
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slaver: thanks for the help... although a "dime a dozen" means that something is very cheap and common, so u sort of got me excited 
optionup: yer i've got the twin coil one... but you have to relocate them so i figured i may as well do a 4 coil set up if it was possible. sr20 ones look damn cool haha
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 05:11
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hahah weeeerps!! i just noticed that!! geez all this time, i had the wrong meaning for it 
well think of them as a rarity, needle in a haystack 
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Wallerawang
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March 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 07:17
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Or almost as rare as rocking horse shit !! 
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 07:22
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I have the AE86 RWD inlet manifold on mine, havn't experienced those throttle body dramas you mentioned fortunately.
The factory GZE coilpacks work well on mine, but I have also used the Hyundai style packs with success on this and another engine. Deciding whether to use dual post or 4 individual coils will come down to your ECU choice. Remember also that with 4 coils, you need twice as many ignition module channels, and so the cost climbs... For potentially little improvement.
HINT: Tell me about your clutches !!  good & bad experiences please.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 12 November 2004 23:48
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monkeymajik, I have the same views as you regarding oil coolers.
and yes... clutches ppl, what are you using?
I'm trying to find an ae95 clutch, because it is a 215mm one, with the hopes of building it up. Although I have no idea if it will even fit.
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Inside a giant turbo (syd...
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June 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 03:41
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i had an exedy 3 puck brass button centre sprung in my 4agte sprinter, it was bitey but fine to drive. Ive now got a extra heavy duty exedy so its not a button. Grips crazy and is easy to drive.
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Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 03:59
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Spanktown: how much for each??
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 05:54
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Ive got an sr20 throttle body on mine.
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Brisbane
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May 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 06:00
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on what manifold fatmr2? any what needed to be done to make it fit?
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 06:07
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I've got a custom made plenum. Nothing needed to be done to make it fit? the plenum was made with that throttle body in mind.
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Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 12:37
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| white86 wrote on Sat, 13 November 2004 09:48 |
clutches ppl, what are you using?
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exedy organic clutch plate (exedy's heavy duty clutch plate) with a fulcrum point modified pressure plate (my old rpm pressure plate).
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 13 November 2004 12:45
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Ive got an exedy brass button with springs in it.
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sun, 14 November 2004 05:04
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fat & feral MR2's: I assume you both have the luxury of the larger 225mm flywheel? I wish I could fit that in my RWD W55 bellhousing, it would solve half the problem 
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sun, 14 November 2004 08:35
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pretty much Hopefully it will work well.
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Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sun, 14 November 2004 13:49
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yes, the larger flywheel.
what size do you have now? a 200mm or a 212mm?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sun, 14 November 2004 23:00
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200mm for me. Trying to track down a 215.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 03:46
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so how much does a full clutch kit cost for the 4agze / t50 combinations? My clutch is on it's way out!
Also, what intercooler do you guys use for the the 200rwkw targets???
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 04:17
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but I think a 600x300x75 (800mm total length) won't fit in a Sprinter without a grinder... So what does people use to achieve good 20psi?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 04:23
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You sure it wont fit? The AE71 is not dissimilar to the frontend of the Sprinter (with the obvious exception of headlights). Mine is mounted with the inlet/outlet at the bottom, passing just under the bumper mounts. The intercooler pipes enter & exit the engine bay through the inner guards.
I don't think the smaller hybrid core would have drama flowing close what you want. Might be an easier fit too.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 04:32
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I took some rough measurements and figured the space between the headlights were around 700mm only, but maybe it will work if I have longer pipings to go around, I was going to get the cooler in first, and work out if it would fit, have you got any pics of your setup? Maybe I can work it out better from that...
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 04:34
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How about the EVO 6 intercooler 470x290x70? Is that a better intercooler to use compared to the Hybrid 600x300x75?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 04:53
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Ok here they are:
Obviously your battery will have to find its way somewhere else, if you havn't moved it already.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 05:03
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thanks a lot, that will give me a pretty good idea, the battery's been moved to the back corner already...
so I hope there's no major structure cutting required except for the 2 small holes in the engine bay?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 05:10
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Just the two holes in the bay, and the thin plate splash guards near the front, you can see it in the second pic (stone chipped black panel above the pipe.
Plus you need to make a replacement support bracket for the bonnet latch, but thats simple
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 05:18
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so I assume the support bracket is welded onto the intercooler?
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 05:37
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love the thongs TE72_Turbo 
thats an awesome custom job, the brackets sit so flush underneath, well done!
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Location:
Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 05:53
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yeah, so how do you guys make your brackets?
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:02
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Don't knock the thongs dude! They're JDM spec
Nothing is welded to my intercooler. The Hybrids come with 2 threaded bosses on the top & bottom, so your brackets can bolt up to these with 8mm metric bolts.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:16
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Plus you need to make a replacement support bracket for the bonnet latch, but thats simple
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I thought you weld this replacement support bracket onto the intercooler? or is it "behind" the intercooler?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:40
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Now I get what you're asking  I'm a bit slow.
The latch bracket runs behind the intercooler, and down onto the body where the original pressed steel item bolts. Can't get to it for a photo without removing the cooler sorry
I dont think it would be a good idea to weld the bracket to the intercooler, cause then you'd be putting all that force on the cooler each time you slam the bonnet shut. 
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:51
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The latch bracket runs behind the intercooler, and down onto the body where the original pressed steel item bolts. Can't get to it for a photo without removing the cooler sorry
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that's ok, I get the idea...
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 23:38
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So does anyone run an oil filter relocation kit?
I was looking at a friends hardcore Jap silvia yesterday, the bracket was bolted out with the filter, and running braided lines - looked so sexy
Just wanna see where everybody relocated theirs (if so) because i can imagine hassles when changing the filter with the turbo in the way (my conversion gets underway soon)
pics please!!!!!
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 01:37
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I may be doing it soon, I've got the oil cooler & relocation thingy sitting in my garage for a bit more than 2 years, just no time to do it, (not my first priority at the moment... )
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 02:30
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is it a custom made relocator? or did u buy it off the shelf somewhere?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 02:57
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Here you go.
Motorsport Connections in Seven Hills (sydney) sell all the parts individually.
This is the setup in my old car, with oil cooler. You could use speedflow fittings & braided hoses if you have the $$$. Click on the thumbnails for a larger image
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 03:29
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cheers for that TE72_Turbo, that second pic gives me a good idea of what to expect.
What sort of hoses are those red ones? what would you recommend to buy if braided lines are out of the question?
part numbers etc would be great if you have them. I been to Motorsport connections, very good shop
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Canberra
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May 2002
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 03:56
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awesome thanks heaps dude.
yeah now i see why you have wrapped them in thick black tape, i kinda guessed this would have been the reason.
another thing - (lucky you are at home and bored - here is something to play with:)
I've just edited one of the pics to work out exactly what is happening there, and I've concluded it to this:
am i right in my representation? (i'm abit new to all this hence all my questions etc )
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:18
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Yep! You got it.
It's actually another black hose over the top of the red hose where it touches the bracket
Braided lines would be much nicer, but expect to pay between $20 and $45 for each fitting, plus the hose...
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:35
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oh i c! what a nifty idea, looks smug and cheap/efficient.
Also i'm just wondering, would it be an idea to run cooler oil (post-oil cooler) and 'T' off this line and run it to the turbo instead of the conventional setup straight from the block?
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 14:09
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I have the same thing as the pic posted, except mine uses a big ford/holden v8 oil filter, I got them second hand... and just uses clamped hoses...
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:07
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still wondering if the turbo can be supplied with cooler oil from the filter. Or is the oil that comes from the block already filtered??
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:28
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that's a good point! Never thought about if the oil coming out of the pressure sender is filtered or not! But I assume the first place after where the oil pump hits, should be the filter, if the design is ideal, so we need someone that have looked into the block to answer the question!
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 04:17
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haaha i've done another paint attempt to what im' saying about the oil for the turbo - would this work in theory?
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Location:
sydney
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November 2003
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parra
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June 2003
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 12:30
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actually when I have the turbo feed line from the oil pressure sender, I needed a T brass fitting, as well as 2 "extender" to clear the block, and it doesn't look very neat, from my opinion, running off the filter line will be much neater, and it's basically the same parts, 1 T brass fitting with a thread fitting on the bottom end, then a brass fitting with a smaller nipple, which is what I'm planning to do when I put my oil cooler in... I still need to check the air cond compressor clearance, which may be in the oil pressure T brass fitting's way..
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Location:
parra
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June 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 12:34
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i had a problem where the t peice in the block was cracking due to vibrations...
but i didnt try a brass one...
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 12:46
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yeah, those T piece from the pressure sender seems pretty weak, it looks like pressed metal instead of the solid machined brass fittings...
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February 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 13:03
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86tt what diff you runnin?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 13:06
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NVD05X: who made your exhaust manifold? Looks tidy
I've had the same dramas with cracking brass t-pieces for the oil feed. Unfortunately there's a lot of weight in aftermarket oil pressure senders that doesn't help the case
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 13:57
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audioslaver: running a corona diff, why?
TE72_turbo: so did you replace it with the machined brass type?
yeah, that exhaust manifold looks pretty nice, but I've heard bad things about stainless manifold cracking? Are they really that bad?
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sydney
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November 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Fri, 19 November 2004 20:50
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Your not supossed to put the t piece in the block? Everyone knows that it will crack. Too much wieght hanging off it. The idea is to come off the block with one line and then mount the t piece somewhere else.
Thats what i did with mine and it turned out nice and neat. I should get a pic and post it up?
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Location:
Melbourne
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May 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 20 November 2004 00:39
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| TE72_Turbo wrote on Sat, 20 November 2004 00:06 |
NVD05X: who made your exhaust manifold? Looks tidy
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Yeah what he said. That looks brilliant.
Very interested for my conversion...
Jezza
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 20 November 2004 02:17
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| fatmr2 wrote on Sat, 20 November 2004 07:50 |
Your not supossed to put the t piece in the block? Everyone knows that it will crack. Too much wieght hanging off it. The idea is to come off the block with one line and then mount the t piece somewhere else.
Thats what i did with mine and it turned out nice and neat. I should get a pic and post it up?
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so ur saying that you've remote mount the pressure sender too???
but the only extra weight should only be the T piece itself? The turbo feed line doesn't weight anything!
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 20 November 2004 06:49
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86tt: Yes, i replaced it with a machined type male to male fitting, and separate t-piece.
The extra weight in my case was the aftermarket oil pressure sender, which is much larger than the original factory item, and the fact that it was mounted further from the block because of the t-peice (longer lever, greater stress on the threads in the block).
Best way to go (as FatMR2 mentioned) is to mount the t-piece separate from the block.
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 20 November 2004 07:36
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so the machined type still cracks?
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parra
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June 2003
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Re: Who has a 4agte?
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Sat, 20 November 2004 07:45
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yes the machined type's still crack even just with the factory oil sender... i broke 2!
in regards to my exhaust manifold ... it was made in japan for a aw11 mr2...
i've never had problems with it cracking untill recently when the car copped a hit from the front... the hit caused the radiator to hit the manifold, cracking the weld on the turbo flange. its an easy fix. but apart from that its good.. it runs red hot all the time and never cracks.
i was lucky to get a bargain which included that manifold with a S14 T28 turbo and a stainless dump pipe with separate wastegate pipe that rejoins lower down near the flex join... all for 1300 bucks!!!
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