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Mon, 01 November 2004 03:37
 
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Want 205's too?
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 05:40
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Actually I bought the car from Sydney 13 months ago, flew down from Brisbane and drove it back the same day. To the best of my knowledge it's never been to Tasmania, of course any info you have to the contrary I'm very interested in.
I think 033 was a targa tasmania competitor. I've lost the bookmark for it so I think it was 033, I have the pics of it but they don't show the number.
Yes I want both ST185 Grp A's and ST205 Grp A's.
Looking on Carsales.com.au there is a ST185 no number listed - wants $22,000 ; and a ST205 white #069 : ) wants $45,000.
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 05:44
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I test drove #69. Was going to buy it too.
Gorgeous car. It was for sale for ages.
Low kays, nice mags. A sweet GT4.
Get some pics up of it mate 
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 06:00
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| Hawk wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 16:40 |
Actually I bought the car from Sydney 13 months ago, flew down from Brisbane and drove it back the same day. To the best of my knowledge it's never been to Tasmania, of course any info you have to the contrary I'm very interested in.
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I'm sure it was #69 that was in tasmania.
I'll check my email at home as the guy sent me a bunch of pics along with the VIN number and some other details.
From memory it had about 125,000kms on it.
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Mon, 01 November 2004 06:05
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My bad... I just found some info in my email archives.
It was number 39 and was an immaculate red group A with about 125,000kms on it.
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Mon, 01 November 2004 06:09
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Excuse my ignorance but is a group A the same as a GT4 ?
cuz i think i've seen 2 red ones down here.
I could find out about them maybe
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Mon, 01 November 2004 06:18
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| Mookie wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 17:09 |
Excuse my ignorance but is a group A the same as a GT4 ?
cuz i think i've seen 2 red ones down here.
I could find out about them maybe
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The Group A is slightly different.
The most visible difference is the bonnet (has a big vent instead of a scoop).
They were also limited in number and given build numbers (only 150 in Australia).
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Mon, 01 November 2004 06:23
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| Toobs wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 17:18 |
| Mookie wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 17:09 |
Excuse my ignorance but is a group A the same as a GT4 ?
cuz i think i've seen 2 red ones down here.
I could find out about them maybe
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The Group A is slightly different.
The most visible difference is the bonnet (has a big vent instead of a scoop).
They were also limited in number and given build numbers (only 150 in Australia).
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is the GT4 the car with the wrx style vent/scoop ( i don't know the difference between the 2)?
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:06
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i can only provide the number from one of the Group A's that made up my " replica " ( there were 9 parts donors in total )
the rest were JDM models/halfcuts
Its justens red one ( now uz185 )
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:30
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So what number was that classique71? Is it dead or still running around.
I'm not entirely sure that they brought into australia #001-150 in one big block. Anyone? Has anyone seen or heard of #001? I know I saw one that was in the 3000's back in '98 in a car yard in brisbane. Of course back then I didn't have a clue what I was looking at, I knew what a GT4 was but Grp A not a clue.
I'll edit my first post with a description of what a grp A is so those that don't know can tell.
I've set up a quick 2 old pics on my optus space for those interested in my car. I need to down size some of my 1mb pics so they are web friendly. Check the site in a week or so. For some reason I can't make my frontpage site work with optus.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~elyxar/
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:33
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Fuck its a nice car.
Have been looking for one that is similar for
ages, but very hard to find.
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Perth
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:35
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The GT4 is the basic 4WD, 2L turbocharged vehicle. The Group A is a homologation special which is closer to the actual rally vehicle. Dependant on the model it included turbo antilag (disabled) and water jets for intercooler wetting (disassembled and in the boot for Australian delivery).
To the best of my knowledge, all of the ST205s sold in Australia were Group A's. The ST185s were a mixture. In other markets, the ST185 Group A's were dubbed the 'Carlos Sainz' (or CS).
I'm not able to find any decent links to back this up (on the basis of some quick Googling), so if anyone wants to correct me, feel free.
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:39
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yup its still running - its justen simpsons red group a - now RWD and twin turbo US converted ..
i have the number somewhere for it - or he could just post!
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:49
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| Hawk wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 18:30 |
So what number was that classique71? Is it dead or still running around.
I'm not entirely sure that they brought into australia #001-150 in one big block. Anyone? Has anyone seen or heard of #001? I know I saw one that was in the 3000's back in '98 in a car yard in brisbane. Of course back then I didn't have a clue what I was looking at, I knew what a GT4 was but Grp A not a clue.
I'll edit my first post with a description of what a grp A is so those that don't know can tell.
I've set up a quick 2 old pics on my optus space for those interested in my car. I need to down size some of my 1mb pics so they are web friendly. Check the site in a week or so. For some reason I can't make my frontpage site work with optus.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~elyxar/
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In Australia they gave them a build number from 1-150... they were not all manufactured or exported in one hit (e.g. VIN isn't ST185-0000001 for build 1, ST185-0000002 for build 2 etc) but they are sequential according to Toyota. (i.e. 001's VIN will be less than 002's VIN)
Overseas the build number is the written as 123 (build number) of 3500 (total number built) so the one spotted in brisbane car yard would have been a personal import from overseas.
Re: Aus build number 1
MOS thinks he "may" own that one... Toyota have a record of the first 80 odd group A's and "should" be able to tell MOS what his build number is.
Like many of the ST185 Group A's MOS's was converted for full rally use and no longer bears the build number badge.
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Mon, 01 November 2004 07:52
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Just been checking out http://www.evilweapon.com/pictures/evlwpn-14.jpg
He's got VIC plates and says it is 331 of 5000. Anybody know this guy? It's just that a couple of things don't add up with the pics I've looked at. My steering wheel has TURBO 4WD in the center, the signature plate with the number is different to mine, he has "celica" in the black plastic strip at the nose of the bonnet (implying pre sept 91). Did they change things in 92 or has he just personalised with older celica parts?
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Re: Group A list
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Mon, 01 November 2004 08:03
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| Hawk wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 18:52 |
Just been checking out http://www.evilweapon.com/pictures/evlwpn-14.jpg
He's got VIC plates and says it is 331 of 5000. Anybody know this guy? It's just that a couple of things don't add up with the pics I've looked at. My steering wheel has TURBO 4WD in the center, the signature plate with the number is different to mine, he has "celica" in the black plastic strip at the nose of the bonnet (implying pre sept 91). Did they change things in 92 or has he just personalised with older celica parts?
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As I said this one (331 of 5000) would be a personal import from overseas.
ALL australian delivered ones had the "Group A Rallye" badging and the build number like all the others you've seen in Australia.
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Mon, 01 November 2004 08:11
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I now have a set of those plates
but might keep em for sentimental value.
i think justens red one was in the 200's i think ..
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Mon, 01 November 2004 08:26
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Just found #104 http://www.allwheelmotion.com/nathan.htm
Thanks for the offer Bergerac. I've never set up more than a personal web page so any help is appreciated. I'm willing to pay for the site as long as it doesn't get ridiculously popular  and end up costing a fortune. I've never set up a domain or bought webspace so anyone that can steer me in the right direction would be helpful too.
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Adelaide
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Mon, 01 November 2004 10:34
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number 93 here.......theres a bloke on celica.net in WA, i think his is 64? not sure......and we just had another one pop up on ozcelica.com
Number eg. - 93
Original Color - white
Current Color - white
Date Manufactured 1991
Original owner (off plate) - Shane J & Antionetta A Smith
Current owner - BJ van de Weyer
Owner history (maybe ie. how many) im number 3
Location - Adelaide
Email Address/web site - aeternusmalus@hotmail.com
Forums frequented (maybe) - alltrac.net, celica.net, ozcelica.com, toymods.org
Approx k's done - 196,000
Current condition (showroom down to wrecked Crying or Very Sad) - almost showroom, few screw holes in dash and minor paint chips
Mods (there's a big one) - stuff all
Stereo - 3 way rear speakers 6.5inch pioneer, 4 inch 2 way front, old pioneer deck
Rego no. - spose its already pictured VFM 987 - BEEJ
For sale? - HELL no
Value - i think its priceless and i'll never sell it.....but lets say about 20k. 
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Rydalmere, NSW
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:55
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Dude... someone stole your plates or your car?
Ok, I do know a couple of people (as mentioned in another thread) who own ST205's and one person who DID own one.
ST205 #36 (white) belongs to Gary Georgiou, and it's basically a bog-stock machine except for a boost controller, external BOV and a custom CAI. There might be more done to it, but I do know that this thing goes like a rocket. Even better with a Jap-spec Blitz-chipped ECU that we tested (shameless plug)... 
ST205 #53 belonged to Joe Kingston (aka Boost here on Toymods) whom I spoke with yesterday and he told me about his car that he sold a while back, and that is now apparently just a shell. He thinks it was last spotted in WA, and is interested in buying it back to rebuild. If anyone sees it, please report it here.
Dave McNeill, of Toyota Nationals renown, also owns an ST205 but I don't know much about this one. Never seen it before, except on a video clip I saw of the last Toyota Nationals in Dubbo, on the 1/8th mile strip.
If I hear anything more about ST205's I know where to find this thread. Also FYI, I bought an ST205 Jap import (VIN #8485) as a half cut and turned my RAV4 into a hybrid with it. 
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 02 November 2004 00:04
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daves st205 is #46
very neat & quick car
as for mods I'm sure he'll tell you
cheers
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Rydalmere, NSW
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 02 November 2004 00:27
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Sweet, thanks for the info dude.
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February 2003
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 02 November 2004 01:34
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Just the plates. Got stolen when the last owner was selling the car by some scum pretending to come for a test drive... or so the story goes..
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adelaide
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 02 November 2004 07:44
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there is a group A being parted out in the for sale sections but i dare say it's a jap import
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adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 02 November 2004 09:53
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| Hawk wrote on Mon, 01 November 2004 18:30 |
I'm not entirely sure that they brought into australia #001-150 in one big block. Anyone? Has anyone seen or heard of #001?
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#1 ST205 is Coral Taylor's daily driver and is white but have no idea how owns the #1 ST185...... maybe Neil Bates ?????
My Group A
Number - Lucky 13
Original Color - white
Current Color - white
Date Manufactured 1991
Original owner (off plate) - George & Anna Doukas
Current owner - Anhar Khamas
Owner history - 2nd owner for the past 8 years
Location - Sydney
Email Address/web site - khamas@bigpond.net.au
Approx k's done - 172,000
Current condition - Slowly changing from average to show room.
Mods - ST205 motor, GT3037S, Frontmount, EMS, ST205 Brakes, race interior, HKS Cams & Gears, Exedy 3 puck clutch, Bosch fuel pumps.... you get the idea
Stereo - None
For sale? - Never
Value - its weight in gold.... and we all know thats alot
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Re: Group A list
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Wed, 03 November 2004 21:26
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HI,
I own number 074
Original Colour: Turquoise
Current Colour: Same
Date Manufactured : Sept 1991
Original Owner: John Anderson
Location: Brisbane
Email Address: rodstanton@hotmail.com
Approx Kms : 135000
Current condition: Showroom
Mods: Engine rebuild, forged pistons, hi-flow CT26, EMS, ST205 fuel injectors, walbro 500hp fuel pump etc
Volk racing rims and custom leather interior
Stereo: Alpine system with focal speakers
For Sale : Never
Value: No Idea
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Toymods member
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Rydalmere, NSW
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Re: Group A list
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Wed, 03 November 2004 21:38
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Mate those engine mods sound VERY similar to mine.
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newcastle
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April 2004
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Re: Group A list
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Wed, 03 November 2004 22:01
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mine too and more
and stu's 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Group A list
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Thu, 04 November 2004 01:33
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| RAV-GT4 wrote on Tue, 02 November 2004 07:55 |
ST205 #53 belonged to Joe Kingston (aka Boost here on Toymods) whom I spoke with yesterday and he told me about his car that he sold a while back, and that is now apparently just a shell. He thinks it was last spotted in WA, and is interested in buying it back to rebuild. If anyone sees it, please report it here
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He's on the right track - it's nearly complete again.
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Thu, 04 November 2004 01:41
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may i ask what happened with boost's machine - that thing was majorely awesome !
Someone parted it out , or whored it for parts ?
I mean who could do that to a show quailty weapon like his machine ??
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Thu, 04 November 2004 02:11
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CLG do you know who owns it, or have any pics of it?
Stu, do you have any links to Boost's ride?
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Thu, 04 November 2004 02:25
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| Classique71 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2004 09:41 |
may i ask what happened with boost's machine - that thing was majorely awesome !
Someone parted it out , or whored it for parts ?
I mean who could do that to a show quailty weapon like his machine ??
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Well that depends on who you ask - everyone seems to have a different story. Hell, I can't even find a spec sheet on what it used to run without conjecture?!!!
Andrew, yep will forward you a pic.
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Brisbane
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Toymods member
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Rydalmere, NSW
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Fri, 05 November 2004 03:24
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Ummm, going a little off-topic here, but does anyone who owns a 205 know what that stuff is between the bonnet bracing and the vent mesh? It's white and it's fibrous and that's all I know about it. Anyone know what it's called and where I can get some? I need it for my ride, only I need about DOUBLE the amount (twice the size of the opening).
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Perth
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February 2003
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Fri, 05 November 2004 03:38
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White stuff? nothing but metal on mine... but it had the underbonnet insulation removed before I bought it...Do you mean the main vent?
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Rydalmere, NSW
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Fri, 05 November 2004 03:49
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Yeah the chrarcteristic vent in the bonnet itself... I think it might be insulation of some sort, but it keeps the water out and at the same time lets hot air escape. 
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April 2004
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Fri, 05 November 2004 08:35
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some sort of felt I was told once 
mine doesn't have anything there either
engine gets a good clean when it rains
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Brisbane
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Fri, 05 November 2004 09:36
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I've been looking at domain names for the list/registry. A couple of available ones are
www.gt4grpa.com
www.grparallye.com
www.grpa.com
www.gtfourgrpa.com
What do you guys think? Any other ideas? I can also add hyphens. It's got to be something easy to find and remember.
gtfour.com gt-four.com st185.com gt4.com are all taken.
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Fri, 05 November 2004 10:05
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Just a suggestion...... www.1of150.com
I also like www.grpa.com cause its short and easy to remember.I know of 3 aussie delivered Group A's that have been written off. One in Sydney, another in Orange and another based in Melbourne which clapped it it out in Targa Tasmainia about 4 years back now. I have no idea what numbers they were 
We are a dying breed people. Please donate any money to the Group A fund and save us from extinction 
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Brisbane
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Adelaide
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April 2004
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Sat, 06 November 2004 00:16
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| sikx5 wrote on Sat, 06 November 2004 09:46 |
| bergerac wrote on Fri, 05 November 2004 13:38 |
White stuff? nothing but metal on mine... but it had the underbonnet insulation removed before I bought it...Do you mean the main vent?
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I just ripped mine of my group A, its like aircondition insulation, like those insulation you put in your room, except with a black cover over them to hold it all together.
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yer mines not there either.....its nice seeing the steam come off ur exhaust manifold wen u brake hard and the water gets on it
and then wen its a clear day just seeing the heat waves wen ur sitting at the lites.....
oh yer i rekon www.grpa.com is the bomb too
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Sat, 06 November 2004 00:26
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| Puffy wrote on Fri, 05 November 2004 21:05 |
We are a dying breed people. Please donate any money to the Group A fund and save us from extinction
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Or we can do like some and take the bits of written off/modified/totally widly modified ( that means YOU justen ) and rebuild other GT4's to carry on the group A spirit , without leaving their parts to be whored By SX's , RWD platforms and kit cars
I hereby commission the DIY Group A mongrel/hybrid registry - members 1 - ME!
St185 GT4 group A hybrid #1 - Owner - Stuart stephens
St185 group A engine from justens red carlos sainz
Internal mods :
St205 Group A Cams + Shim under bucket swap ( ala St205 )
Forged pistons on St205 rods
TRD HD bearings + gaskets
ARP bolts holding it all together
St205 Group A Gearbox
St185 group a Ct26 turbo
St185 Group A Front bumper and bonnet ( support from puffy ! )
St185 group A Waterspray kit ( also from puffy )
St185 group A rear diff
*also in possession now - set of original unnumbered St185 Carlos sainz gold badges + inside bubble style Sticker *hehe -
anyway - theres another carlos sainz white one down this way - owned by a farmer + looks ratty - poor thing - I want to buy it but i cant track down the owner.
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Sat, 06 November 2004 01:10
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Far out Stu, You should have bought a group A in the first place
Does anyone know how fast Justins machine in? 0-100k? roughly 1/4 time?
How fast is your machine Stu with all those mods?
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Rydalmere, NSW
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May 2002
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Sat, 06 November 2004 06:30
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I noticed mine the other day when I saw heat haze rising from it... I'd like to get some sort of matting under there, but I'm not sure if it's the same type of matting that's commonly used as sound-proofing though.
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Colac, Victoria
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Sat, 06 November 2004 11:17
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heh - at the time i couldnt afford a group A - they were 9K more than the one i got
Justens uz185 - no idea - but its got ALOT of power to the rear trwads - even at low boost
As for mine - Its fast enough - i still havent raised the boost any further, but should have it running 17-18PSI by the end of the year with an updated dyno/quarter mile figure
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Sat, 06 November 2004 13:10
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What else would you expect with twin turbo's?
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Bulleen, Melbourne
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June 2002
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Sun, 07 November 2004 12:50
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I have ST185 No. 53 here.
Black
211,000km
Very good condition (wheels are stuffed but being replaced), has had some minor accident repairs done, interior has a few small blemishes here and there.
I'm the 3rd owner.
Rego GPA-053 (i'm putting my personalised plates on it soon tho)
Will fill in the rest of the details later, cbf now!
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Brisbane
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August 2003
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:26
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I'm now the proud owner of the new domain www.grparallye.com
I don't know how long it will take me to learn everything I need to learn to get it up and running but I'm commited now. I'm looking forward to the challenge and getting the list as complete as I can. I've got a gig of space to play with so expect lots of pics of Grp A's!!!
I'll let you know when it is published...
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Wed, 10 November 2004 13:00
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Let me know if you need a hand dude, i am more than happy to help
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 16 November 2004 02:40
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Sorry to drag up an old thread but I used to work for Toyota WA when the ST185R GT4 Group A was first released in October 1991, and I have managed to find some old paperwork on this model.
I have a list of the 15 first delivered in WA and the other 135 delivered in the rest of Australia.
For the 15 in WA I have this info:
No. Colour Chassis (all JT764STJ5) Engine
85 040 00016142 3S9155914
90 040 00016174 3S9156127
88 202 00016168 3S9155911
87 3E5 00016159 3S9153621
89 3E5 00016170 3S9156128
92 3E5 00016202 3S9155815
50 182 00015841 3S9155235
128 040 00016827 3S9157115
131 040 00016876 3S9157236
129 202 00016852 3S9157484
84 3E5 00016127 3S9155912
134 3E5 00016945 3S9157483
136 3E5 00016998 3S9158244
137 3E5 00017018 3S9158232
138 3E5 00017045 3S9158261
I have the original rego details and selling dealer but I prefer not to publish this info.
As for the other 135 cars I have only the chassis number and the port they were sent too, on thermal fax paper that is badly faded. I might try and post this info at a later date.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Location:
Launceston, Tasmania
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 16 November 2004 02:56
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The bloke at my local servo owns the one mentioned above from tassie. I know that it was in Targa so it is most likely the one. I'll let him know about this registry list thing next time i'm there.
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Registered:
November 2002
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 16 November 2004 03:28
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I'm pretty sure there is a group A in the street next to mine. Its white...thats about all I can tell you
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 16 November 2004 05:01
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wow thats great man, pretty awesome info!
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Registered:
November 2002
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Re: Group A list
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Tue, 16 November 2004 06:58
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So, I have the right chassis number for your car then ?
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