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August 2004
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 AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 00:10
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I'd really appreciate any suggestions for a set of nice bitey pads for my SC. I have a master cylinder brace fitted but the brakes are still pretty dead as far as initial bite is concerned. If you can also point me in the direction of a Sydney based supplier I'd be grateful. Thx!
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Toymods Vice President
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Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 01:07
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The EBC green stuffs have the highest initial coefficient of friction of any pad I've seen data on. They work really nice in an AW11 except there can be a bit more of a tendency for the front to lock up.
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NSW Australia
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August 2004
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 01:21
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Thanks ! just the thing 
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
July 2003
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Location:
sydney
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March 2004
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 08:15
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i've got adb front semi metallic pads
cheapy $30 stuff. not great stopping but i bought it coz it was cheap and does the job for normal driving plus my rotors are scored and too thin to machine
my next pad change will be better ones with new rotors
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Location:
NSW
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September 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 08:32
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I got toyota OEM on my NA and endless on my SC.
The Toyota pads have better inital bite and pedal feel... but run out pretty fast after about 3-4 hard brakes.
With the Endless pads the pedal is a lot squishier but you can stand on them hard all day and they keep working.
Also, to note, the endless pads have unexpectedly locked the fronts once or twice
Guess it depends on your application... for general use the Toyota ones are very good IMHO.
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Location:
Bundaberg, Qld.
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May 2002
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 13:29
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toof, very interesting about the use of the ST185RC front calipers. does that vehicle also have rear calipers that are better then our stock rear ones? and basicaly bolt on...
i am useing the Bendix ultimate pads on the front and Bendix advance on the rear with stock calipers and rotors. Bendix dont do the ultimate's for the rear.. grrr
i need to get new front rotors and put a kit through my brake master cylinder before i can even call my brakes any good at the moment.
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Location:
Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 22:34
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i didnt think bendix made ultimate for the aw11 at all ?
as far as a rear caliper upgrade is concerend i havent looked into it. the new fronts doa good enogh job and they dont knock the balance out. the fronts will lock up first but they provide more then enough braking power, esp with only 115hp behind them. time will tell when i get my new s/c one here. ive got another set of front st185rc calipers for it already.
i think there is a little more space for a slightly larger rotor in there but not bu much if you didnt want to make up spacers to sit the caliper further out. a slightly thinker rotor probaly woudnt hurt just for some extra cooling but other then they they keep copping abuse with good heart. i havent managed to cook them, and not through lack of trying 
as far a rears i havent looked into it but i think i heard somewhere rear sw20 numbers perhaps ?
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Location:
Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 22:41
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when you say you are not impressed with the stock MR2 brakes i was wondering what year (na/sc?) mr2 you are going by
Im pretty impressed with the brakes on my MR2 (87 SC), never get fade at all, and im still using what ever pads came on it from japan hehe
Id only think about upgrading them if i went to a 4agte
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:57
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At the moment I have stock brakes on my 89NA, and it stops on a dime. I do have fairly new rotors & ferrodo pads though.
I have a set of the ST185 twin piston jobbies and rotors to go on mine when I do the conversion this month, and if it wasn't for engineering purposes, I don't think I would bother.
Amund in Norway did this extact thing and said the only thing you have to do to fit the ST185 rotors as well is drill the 4x100 holes.
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?s=&threadi d=11884&perpage=30&pagenumber=1
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Location:
Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Tue, 02 November 2004 02:25
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5/89 N/A aussie delivered.
you could stomp them as hard as ou wanted and it just woudnt stop quick enough. it could be the claipers were in need ofa rebuild, it originally has mystery pads in there, replaced them with bendix metal and it was better but not fantastic. i had purchased the 185 calipers for my st184 but found i would need to do more playing around then i could be arsed doing, so i had them sitting in the shed. then in a moment of brilliance/madness i thought "wonder if they'll fit on this" and sure enough they do... and to boot they fit under the stock 14x6" rims too.
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Tue, 02 November 2004 02:56
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| toof wrote on Tue, 02 November 2004 13:25 |
and to boot they fit under the stock 14x6" rims too.
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Don't tell my gf that, my excuse to buy the 16" simmons was to fit the bigger brakes underneath.
Seriously though, if I stand on my brakes they'll lock up, but if I give them a pretty good squeeze it will lift me off the seat. If there were no seat belts installed, there'd be a nice smudgey on my windscreen from my face 
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Location:
Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Tue, 02 November 2004 03:08
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im guessing the calipers were in need of a rebuild then. either way the new ones certainly stop it alright
the new stoppers leave some nice face prints on the windshield...
oh and of *course* you need some 16" rims to fit them in. 14" will never do the trick..
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NSW Australia
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August 2004
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Wed, 03 November 2004 03:29
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Hey Toof.
I have followed your suggestion and purchased a set of ST185RC calipers, no point in wasting money on pads when i can get more swept area with these. Thanks for the tip . Just need some braided lines now  BTW they cost me $250 from just jap.
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Location:
Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Wed, 03 November 2004 03:58
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Did yours come with pads and all of the clips?
I bought my set privately and I'm missing everything besides the main unit. In the EPC I can find a 'pad' kit which seems to have everything included, and I'm about to enquire (through trade contacts) to get it from toyota japan.
Before I do, anyone know of any alternatives? If not, is anyone interested in my findings, I can keep you informed and if it's available possibly order multiple.
Also, for those running st185rc calipers (I should really ask this in another thread) where did you get your pads, are you using pads from a different car? Shops only have the single piston variety listed.
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Toymods Vice President
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Sydney
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Wed, 03 November 2004 05:27
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I'm actually planning on redrilling a set of later model ST185 disks and using the sigle piston ST185 caliper. The disk matches on hat size and centre bore etc, the only problem is the the stud pattern. The St185 disks are 278mm x 25mm as oposed to the AW11 front rotors that are 258mm x 22mm.
These bolt straight onto the twin spot hubs they just have a longer bracket that mounts the caliper further from the axle allowing a bigger rotor. I'll have to remove the splash guard but who cares.
I find the old DBA catalog pretty handy for this kind of thing. If you want to compare the specs for yourself take a look at http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/pdf/ Out/Toyota.pdf.
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Wed, 03 November 2004 13:03
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i use lucas pads on the front which seem to pull up quite well and work well when cold. They didn't fade after constant abuse at wakefield and they were clamping n/a discs with a supercharged engine so they have less vaccume. That st185 upgrade sounds like the goods to me how much do the calipers cost and which wreckers did u get them from davedave?
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Thu, 04 November 2004 05:58
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Picked my calipers and freshly machined rotors up from someone here on the forums for the very nice price of $200 
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Sat, 06 November 2004 02:25
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i had a nightmare trying to get pads.. no one lists the twin piston numbers. EBC lists the WRONG part. got green stuff's the gt4 pad they list is NOT a gt4 pad it fits straight inot my ST184 !! but your in luck, after that ordeal it turns out the pad is the same form the twin piston to the single. i am currently running the bendix metal DB1181 (iirc) works a treat. not the best pad in thw world but good for 90 bucks.
i feel fantastic now, i paid $120 inc freight for mine
brake line wise i fitted my calipers straight to the factory aw11 hose. it fits ok, but if too tight to fully open the caliper with it on so to change pads you'll need to change fluid as well. not that big an issue i guess.
as far as the st185 rotors fitting ill believe it when i see it, (278-257)/2 = would me there would need to be 10.5 of clearance between the bridge of the caliper and the rotor and i swear there isnt that much clearance.
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Sun, 07 November 2004 23:59
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120 for the calipers is a steal!
The 278mm ones are the single piston, the twin piston are similar spec to the 258mm aw11 ones.
I just measured mine with a dodgy 150mm ruler and got 255mm diameter, 24mm wide and 54mm centre hole.
With those measurements I think I might stick with my aw11 rotors, as I know they're newish and I won't have to redrill holes.
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Toymods Vice President
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: AW 11 guys, brake pad suggestions
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Mon, 08 November 2004 00:21
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| toof wrote on Sat, 06 November 2004 13:25 |
as far as the st185 rotors fitting ill believe it when i see it, (278-257)/2 = would me there would need to be 10.5 of clearance between the bridge of the caliper and the rotor and i swear there isnt that much clearance.
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The single piston calipers and large discs are a direct replacement for the small discs and twin piston calipers on the GT4. The mounting bracket for the caliper is longer to mount the caliper further from the axle and allow a larger disk.
Once I get a set of disks and calipers I'll fit them up and take a few pics.
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