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How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:16
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As alot of people already know KYB AGX shockers arnt officially available in Australia because KYB didnt see enough of a demand for them here but I have found an alternative. looking through all the specs my friend found that Commodor IRS rears are almost identical with the exception of the bottom mounts and a 40mm shorter stroke. I fitted these into my Sprinter with awesome results. Anyway I wrote how I did it in my other forum. heres a link:
http://tacticalevo22.proboards7.com/index.cgi?boar d=project&action=display&num=1094051575&am p;start=30
Any comments or questions are welcome.
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Terrigal
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:25
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Very good tech article!
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sydney
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January 2003
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:42
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you could of went to a import place i think there about $200 each for a shock, and save yourself a bit of effort, but nicely done anyhow
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne
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June 2002
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Mon, 01 November 2004 23:53
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quick stupid question, how do the KYB AGZ xompare to tociko HTS 102s?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 00:30
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Wouldn't it have been possible (and maybe easier?) to remove the silly bush that the shock has stock, and using some urethane to manufacture a new lower bush so that you can use the stock mount? Or another option would be to grind off the excess of the tube that goes through the bush so that youy could fit it in the stock position?
Also is that the same way they are mounted in commodores? With the lower bush and bolt 90 degrees to the center line of the car? (just thinking about it being rotated 90 degrees from where you have mounted it....).
As it is wont the bush be forced to cope with a lot of needless stress? Every time the car goes over uneven ground the bush will be forced to distend, if it was at 90 degrees to where it is now (similar to the factory ae86 orientation) wouldn't it be under much less stress?
Good looking work tho, great to see ppl doing things that require a bit of work for a change! 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 01:40
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Like Wibo said. I have been using VK Commodore shocks for ages, because of their shorter stroke. Lowered springs are held captive using a shorter stroke shock absorber.  We simply push out the lower bushes, and use some from Pedders that suit the shock, and bolt diameter.
regards Chuck.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 03:00
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J-AE86: I paid $550 trade for something new and with a warranty, so its either that or $400 from that wrecker. BTW which wrecker would sell them?
shinybluesteel: Wouldnt have a clue, anyone have a comment here?
wilbo666: Yes I have thought about what you have sujested however in this design it comes moulded with a 60mm rod through it as part of the bush. Now I could easy push these out in a press but that would void my warranty. Unlike the pre-IRS Holdens the bush isnt easy removable.
As for the stress I have thought about it and I think it would be indifferent as to which direction the bottom faces. In theory your very right it would be better to have them at 90 degrees, however in practice I think the change in angle through the movement of the suspension is so small that its irrelevant. The bushes came painted over when I got them and the paint has barely started to crack off, so it cant be worked too hard. I think the fact that I carefully angled the mounts is the biggest factor there. Also if I am not mistaken Holden use it in the same way I do, but that doent count for much considering how crap the rest of the design is.
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May 2002
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 03:56
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hmm fair enough. Another option (if for warranty reasons you are unable to change the lower bush  did you check to see if you could still get warranty? Its not like changing the lower bush is going to effect the shock now is it....I'd be interested to see what their response to that would be if you asked them) would be to either cut the original bracket and offset (back) if to account for the 60mm tube, or to fashion a new bracket.
not wanting to be rude! and if your happy with the results thats great!  just seems like their might have been easier ways to go about mounting them (just my opinion ).
Cheers
Wilbo
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Melbourne
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June 2004
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 04:19
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love your work sam... im impressed u did the wolf controller on ur own... and with a 4ac is even more interesting!
let me know how ur 20v fwd to rwd goes as i'm very curious on the amount of work involved...
do a step by step guide if u've got the time as this would help thousands of ae86 lovers around the world
good luck with it all.. want to do some work on my 4ac sprinter too? we can be twins
peace
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 06:10
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| Sam_Q wrote on Tue, 02 November 2004 14:00 |
J-AE86: I paid $550 trade for something new and with a warranty, so its either that or $400 from that wrecker. BTW which wrecker would sell them?
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not a wrecker, places like shift performance, well if thats how much you paid thats pretty good can't complain i guess, was just a suggestion.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 08:33
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wilbo666: your comments are good, I guess I didnt want to take the chance with something that expensive, I wasn't sure that it was going to work out and I knew I could return it if I didnt modify it, also add to the fact all of this is pretty temporary, that diffs going to go in due time and I will make some new mounts when that happens. I dont think your being rude, I apreciate well thought out constructive critism.
ShiRi: A wolf on a 4Ac ...hmmm, now that isnt going to happen! I cant take credit for wiring up the wolf yet, I only have the wires sorted in the direction they have to end up and have the ecu mounted in place, its going to be an uphill battle to wire it up. I am an electrician but I am strugling to figure out what goes where, the instructions I have are just so damn vauge. What I am doing here is I am keeping my car on the road as long as practically possible, so I am putting everything in place while it still has the old parts there. Hence the old boost gauge on the dash, the loom and ingitor modules in the engine bay, etc.. As for the idea of the step by step guide on fitting a 20 vavle, I think its a great idea. I have done step by step instructions on heaps of other stuff before and I will take heaps of photos when i do the job anyway so I might as well. So your in Doncaster eh? thats within a driveable distance. Maybe we should meet up some time.
J-AE86: would you by any chance know if this place has a website or something? I am always on a lookout for more sources of parts, thanks.
Oh also guys for those who want to see what else I have done on my car then on that forum link it goes straight to the third page, if you start at one it goes though what I did. These a really easy step by step install of a Hyundai radiator in there and well as a custom seat install that was particully painfull.
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Perth
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April 2003
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 19:21
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impressive!
Way to go fella.
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Tue, 02 November 2004 23:32
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Ouch $550, i hope thats a set of 4. Because the Tokicos are only $750 or so for 4.
Good to see the work though Sam.
As for the comparison between the AGXs and the HTS102s, T3 has a good writeup on their site here: http://www.technotoytuning.com/t3_site_pages/faq/i ndex.html#agx_hts
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Re: How to get and fit 8-way shockers to an ae-86 (with pics)
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Wed, 03 November 2004 01:26
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| Sam_Q wrote on Tue, 02 November 2004 19:33 |
wilbo666: your comments are good, I guess I didnt want to take the chance with something that expensive, I wasn't sure that it was going to work out and I knew I could return it if I didnt modify it, also add to the fact all of this is pretty temporary, that diffs going to go in due time and I will make some new mounts when that happens. I dont think your being rude, I apreciate well thought out constructive critism.
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groovey! Just didn't want you to think I was trying to hang shit on you (definitely not the case), especially because its obvious to me that you went to quite a bit of work
Cheers
Wilbo
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