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Re: *!* How much are they really worth
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Sun, 07 November 2004 06:59
 
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6500-8000? woudlnt pay more than 8.
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:10
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ok
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sydney
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:11
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any other opinions
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Sydney/Wollongong
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sydney
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:18
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what about the engineering? for the 20v?
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Sydney/Wollongong
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:21
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You caught me while I was updating my post, as far as I know they DO need to be engineered.
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sydney
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:26
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what would happen if i was caught driving a unengineerd one?
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Sydney/Wollongong
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:31
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Dunno, probably defected and required to pass engineering and a blue slip.
Your main concern would be insurance, if you hit someone and your car isn't engineered then your insurance company can refuse to pay up leaving you open to all sorts of legal action from the other party.
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sydney
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August 2004
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:33
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Thanks buddy
so um know what would be the prics on everything i said but with engineering?
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Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:37
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For the price range mentioned above I would expect the car to be engineered and roadworthy! If the seller isn't willing to get it engineered then I wouldn't pay any more that $5k but that's my own personal opinion...
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sydney
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August 2004
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:41
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gg this is great thanks conquest been alot of good help..
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sydney
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 07:42
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it completely slipped my mind i was going to trade for a sx when he told me it was 20v just slipped me lol now i gota doubble think..
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 09:13
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You might want to double check about the engineering bit. It is still a 1600, just with a different head.
Most people will tell you a 4AGE conversion into an AE86 does not need engineering due to the capacity not changing, and that's going from single to twin cam.
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Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Sun, 07 November 2004 09:49
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| AE86slut wrote on Sun, 07 November 2004 20:13 |
You might want to double check about the engineering bit. It is still a 1600, just with a different head.
Most people will tell you a 4AGE conversion into an AE86 does not need engineering due to the capacity not changing, and that's going from single to twin cam.
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Yeah i'm not 100%, so it'd be worthwile to double check with the RTA.
The 16v 4AGE was available in the AE86 (even if we didn't get it here in Oz) so no engineering required. However the 20v was never available in an AE86 or an AE92, hence the engineering requirement. At least this is how I understand it but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong...
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Girraween,Sydney
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September 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Mon, 08 November 2004 01:01
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I had a mate with an AE82 twin cam, he put a 20valve into it but didn't engineer it or tell the insurance company, needless to say he stacked it into another car & the insurance company told him to get f*(ked in a polite way, cost him heaps to pay to repair the other car, Insurance companies(spelling?) are arseholes! they will try find any way to f*(k you over & not pay,
just my2c
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Mon, 08 November 2004 03:20
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| Conquest wrote on Sun, 07 November 2004 17:49 |
| AE86slut wrote on Sun, 07 November 2004 20:13 |
You might want to double check about the engineering bit. It is still a 1600, just with a different head.
Most people will tell you a 4AGE conversion into an AE86 does not need engineering due to the capacity not changing, and that's going from single to twin cam.
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Yeah i'm not 100%, so it'd be worthwile to double check with the RTA.
The 16v 4AGE was available in the AE86 (even if we didn't get it here in Oz) so no engineering required. However the 20v was never available in an AE86 or an AE92, hence the engineering requirement. At least this is how I understand it but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong...
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Technically that would require engineering, unless you upgraded EVERYTHING to japspec AE86 (brakes etc, I'm not sure if anything differs)
And regardless of that, you have converted a car from carby, to EFI, and therefore you have played with the fuel system.
While the engine conversion wouldnt require engineering, the fuel system would.
And I'm not sure about over east, but for a conversion in Perth, anything over 30% power or 30% capacity increase, requires professional engineering.
I'm not sure if other states do the power increase, but a 4ac to 4age is more than 30% power.
Do the right thing, check with the RTA
In Perth, we also have to fill out a pre-approval form before beginning any swaps.
They basically tell us if we will ever be able to get the car licensed.
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Sydney
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May 2004
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:07
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| Conquest wrote on Sun, 07 November 2004 18:21 |
You caught me while I was updating my post, as far as I know they DO need to be engineered.
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this is incorrect. All you need is a blueslip
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Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:31
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| Celica_John wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 13:07 |
| Conquest wrote on Sun, 07 November 2004 18:21 |
You caught me while I was updating my post, as far as I know they DO need to be engineered.
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this is incorrect. All you need is a blueslip
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Again it's best to check with the RTA, quoting from THE WITZL;
| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 13:38 |
Down here in NSW, you have to get a blue slip to perform an engine number change. BUT, to get the blue slip you have to have the modifications certified by an engineer, to say that they are safe and shit like that.
So to answer you question, yes you have to get an engineers certificate for your 20V conversion. I would just to cover my arse if i get hassled by the police, they cant argue with an engineers certificate.
When you do go for the engineers cert., make sure you get ALL OF YOUR MODIFICATIONS LISTED. Eg, brake upgrades, wheels, lowered suspension, fuel system (if upgraded to EFI), engine, etc etc. That way there is even less a cop can ping you for, and wont cost much extra if it was done just for the engine.
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sydney
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August 2004
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:08
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Thanks all i like this debate..
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Location:
sydney
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November 2003
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Re: *!* How much are they really worth and do they need enginerring
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Thu, 11 November 2004 05:57
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regardless of the need or not for engineering, take it to an engineer anyway... if it doesnt NEED engineering it would still be good for piece of mind and to fuk cops. plus the easier the job the less the engineering will cost. i.e. to put a V8 in a seca will cost HEAPS to engineer, since you havent even changed mounts, capacity, fuel system or significantly the power output the engineer will have a good look and then write the papers
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