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Newcastle
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 09:43
 
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anything ~1kg is a convenient size, kmart have a good one that has a metal bracket $40 for two. the ones at supercheap and most parts places only have plastic brackets and will break if bumped around,
ive got them screwed down infront of the drivers seat so its out of the way, out of view and in quick/immediate access if you need it. defianntly worth having though.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 09:56
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I stupidly kept mine under seats. I had to get them out quickly and it took me like 5 bloody minutes.
Keep them where they can be seen so other people know they r there and make it so they are easy to get out. I've heard of people on track days duct taping them in their glove box ????
I'm putting mine on the centre console.
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Rocky Mountains, Canada
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May 2002
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:14
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| Mookie wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 20:26 |
I stupidly kept mine under seats.
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How did you keep it under the seat??
Most people ive seen keep them in front of the drivers seat under where your legs are.
Should be easy enough to get out from there.
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:19
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Don't you kick it in front of the drivers seat though? I am a gangly freak afterall....
What about the passenger seat?
-J-
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NSW, Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:20
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i work at bunnings and they sell a few
the cheapest one is 25 bucks
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:21
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| joorsh wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 21:19 |
Don't you kick it in front of the drivers seat though? I am a gangly freak afterall....
What about the passenger seat?
-J-
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How often do you put your feet right infront of your seat? There's plently of room.
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:22
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Does it come with brackets? Metal or plastic?
And is that an oil/petrol fire extinguisher?
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:23
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How often do you put your feet right infront of your seat? There's plently of room.
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Good point I guess. So it doesn't get in the way at all?
-J-
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wangaratta
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May 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:27
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as far as i am aware, they only make dry chemical extinguishers in the small sizes ( like around 1kg ). . . which is just what you would be after for such an application.
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:29
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| joorsh wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 21:23 |
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How often do you put your feet right infront of your seat? There's plently of room.
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Good point I guess. So it doesn't get in the way at all?
-J-
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Not if it's a small one. If you go into your local fast-food joint and steal one of theirs, then try to fit that, I think it would get in the way.....
 Jesus, I've been playing too much GTA:SA!! 
And I wouldn't mind going for a fang up there one night after you fit it 
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:46
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By all means - company is always welcome on my pac-high jaunts! It's less common to have someone to go with now days, since Draven has smashed his car into little bits.
-J-
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June 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:53
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im going that path aswell when the cars done, im gonna put one in front of the driver seat and the passenger as well just in case i am incapacitated at the time then there is a back up if i have a passenger and vise versa
i got a TA22 and the other option i was considering is putting under the tray in the car or having one behind the hand brake so i can put my hand back and pull it forward and out
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NSW, Sydney
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April 2004
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 10:57
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since i have no back seat i have two mounted in the seat areas, plus one in the sillyseat along the door line, and one infront of my seat.
Thats on my track car.
My road car has two 1kg in the boot, and a 1kg infront of the drivers seat.
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:01
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Holy Moly!
Takai, you sound sound like you should be a part of the lesser known fire brigade "sports-car rapid-response devision". 
-J-
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Sydney
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February 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:13
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ive mounted my one in the ma61 on the passenger side sill, in the footwell area. fits nicely, and doesnt really get in the way.
you will want a dry chemical extinguisher (red with white stripe)
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:29
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josh - if you go the k-mart $40 for 2 thingy, I'll take one
after personally wathcing 2 cars catch fire (with you both times actually) I dont want that happening to me
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:46
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| M.W.P. wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 21:14 |
| Mookie wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 20:26 |
I stupidly kept mine under seats.
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How did you keep it under the seat??
Most people ive seen keep them in front of the drivers seat under where your legs are.
Should be easy enough to get out from there.
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the euro cars i i drive tend have them mounted on or just below the front of the drivers seat, that way you can reach it even in a crash if you have to...
i vote for mounting on floor in front of both driver and passenger seat... so whoever is still awake can put out a fire... (or whichever door can be opened)
Cya, Stewart
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 11:46
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Sadly ive seen three rally cars burn to the ground because of a lack of powder available. One of those was with 4kg of firebombs too. It was more a lack of directable powder. Hence having the small squirters is very useful. Actually had to use one one time when driving from Melbourne to Canberra, some guy had spun out and hit a tree, fuel tank side first. Some little wisps of flame from the engine bay.
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sunny coast, QLD
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March 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 14:24
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I will definatley be getting atleast one when i get my soarer, a mate of mine at work (dogimos pizza) had his car burn to the ground while he was on a delivery. someone had installed a stereo in it dodgy before he bought it, and the speaker wires set the carpet in his boot on fire, nothing he could do.
And i nearly set my girlfriends car on fire while trying to put some neons under the front seats (riceboy...  ) somehow overloaded the wire i had used and fused it all together, luckily i had a circuit breaker so i flicked that off and ripped the hot wires out, burnt my hand, but luckily not the car!!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Tue, 09 November 2004 21:51
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LOL, i've set my car on fire dozens of times when welding or cutting... stoopid coconut fibre insulation...
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newcastle
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April 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 01:11
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| joorsh wrote on Tue, 09 November 2004 20:38 |
I think it's about time I bought one of these.
The idea of going for a nice drive along the old pac high, hammering through the bends - stopping for a quick snack only to see my brake pads on fire, and being able to do nothing but watch as my tires slowly catch fire, and my entire car burns to the ground - doesn't really appeal to me.
Anybody else currently using one? Rough prices? Where was it bought from?
Any good ideas for mounting it in the car so as not to create a boot-to-Josh missile?
-J-
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mate I strongly recommend you get one 
my car caught on fire heading to dubbo (toy nats 04)
& if it was for one of those little babies I would have been roasting marshmallows
there a cheap insurance policy
cheers
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 01:30
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Hey guys,
If any of you guys are wanting to get one that will cover you as far as a cams affil hill-climb or something, you might want to check the regs, im pretty sure a 1kg isn't enough, i have a 2kg one but it was more expensive than 2 1kg's..
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:12
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You mean a 1kg one might not be sufficient for cams?
Does anyone know what the regs are then for cams approved ones?
-J-
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:23
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Ive been passed with two 1kgs but im pretty sure its now been changed to a single 2kg.
If John hadnt stolen my rules book i would know ;P
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 02:52
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That's good to know, as I would've just grabbed a couple of 1kgs.
So what sort would you go for? Chemical, CO2, etc?
What are the pros & cons of each?
I can see chemical is cheaper and I imagine the CO2 would leave less mess, but which one is going to put my flaming baby out quicker?
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November 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:08
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Ok, here's what I learn't in fire training:
(B) dry powder type fire extinguishers are the cheapest, and most commonly found. They consist of pretty much Baking soda.
These are totally shit, and require a ridiculous amount to put any fire out. Do not use these, unless you have over 5kg.
(B):E dry powder is better than (B), but contains lots of other chemicals that like to eat paint work, rubber, vinyl, pretty much anything. These will put a fire out pretty good, but the powder, like (B) gets EVERYWHERE. I would plan to strip a car and repaint if I were to use this on it. I used one of these on my kitchen once, and it fucked everything, especially all the stainless.
CO2 carbon dioxide is the most effective at putting a fire out. However the down side is that if you are using it on an interior fire you can easily suffocate yourself and then burn in the fire with your beloved car. So break a window first, or get out of the car before using. I think the smallest these babies come in is 3.5kg, which will put out a decent car fire.
Water is not really much of an option of course.
Another way, which is not too good for meeting CAMS regs. or any other reg. is to get a backup air bottle that scuba divers use and fill it with CO2 instead of O2 and attach a fire extinguisher nozzle. Tha way you would have a 2kg (depending) CO2 extinguisher, perfect size. There may be less than 3.5kg CO2s around, I'm not 100% sure.
Hope this helps.
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Canberra
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October 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:18
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Just sucks we can't get halon ones anymore..
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June 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 03:49
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So by the sound of things, we want to find 2kg CO2 ones?
-J-
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:01
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I don't know about that, I've been googling for a little while now, and most resources say that they're only really good for electrical fires. Because they smother the fire by displacing oxygen, they're not really effective on type A (wood etc) and B (flammable liquid) fires.
This is a pretty good page which somes up most of the points that I have read on other pages http://www.chubb.com.au/fire_whichExtinguisher.asp
The best seems to be the corrosive chemical type, followed by the non-corrosive.
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:09
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There's no doubt the chem ones are probably the best at putting it out - I just worry about what it'll do to my baby.
I think the most likely situation I'll be using a fire extinguisher is to put out a brake fire. If I've got a smouldering pad, and I hit it with an extinguisher, the last thing I want is for half of my wheel and all surrounding paintwork to corrode.
However, the flip side of the coin is what if I can't put the fire out? I'd feel pretty silly if I had to watch my car burn to the ground, all because I was worried about a bit of paint being corroded.
-J-
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:16
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why cant we get the halon ones?
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April 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:17
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I can agree that some extinguishers can be corrosive.
The one I used on my car did cause some minor pitting in the paint because I didn't wash it off quick enough 
But that was easier to take than the fire damage 
it can be a no win situation - but you may still have your car
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:20
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| draven wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 15:16 |
why cant we get the halon ones?
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Because they are detrimental to the environment, they basically eat oxygen  .
There's some new environmentally friendly version though called halotron, but I have absolutely no idea about it.
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November 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 04:50
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Yeah, it's a big trade off.
Personally I would go the CO2, it is only effective though for that first coupla seconds before the tyres, panels, interior, etc actually catches alight.
I would hit the fire with the CO2 and then isolate the battery. Of course all the CO2 is doing is beating back the flame enough to get your hand in there and flick the switch. You would then hope that there is enough in the extinguisher to eliminate the flame completely, after the electrical source has been stopped.
On a Type A or B fire I would definately want the powder.
I don't know the statistics, but I have a feeling that more fires occur in cars due to electical than brake pads or some other means. Race track of course is another set of circumstances.
In the event of a fuel fire, I would "hope" that isolating the battery would cut the fuel pump or if everything is wired up correctly, shutting off the engine should cut it out. The CO2 would still be effective in this situation as you are battling a liquid fire with a diminishing fuel source. Provided you have enough CO2 left there won't be any more fuel left for the flame to alight.
I'm not claiming to be an expert, all of this is just theory, there are many different factors involved with fire...
If you have the space, get a 1kg(B):E powder, AND a 3.5kg CO2.
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wangaratta
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May 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 09:54
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why cant we get the halon ones?
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u know the 'hole' in the ozone layer??? well, these kind of chemicals not only eat ozone like there is no tomorrow, but also are a really good green house gas. . . shit loads more potent than anything else currently known to man, and are extremely persistant, so they continue to arse rape the environment. . .
although they put out fires great, the further harm that they cause if pretty bloody crazy. . .
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Adelaide
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August 2004
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 10:12
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CO2 type extinguishers are only really good on electrical fires, once any amount of heat is built up from a fire the flamables will reignite once the CO2 has dispersed, also CO2 types are virtually usless if there is any wind whatsoever.
While a dry powder extinguisher will make a lot of mess and a strip & repaint, it will save a burnt out shell. Anyway any type of fire will probably need a great deal of TLC to repair.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:49
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Halon ones rock.. I've used a couple of old ones, only takes a quick squirt and small fires just vanish under them. They sure do have some issues, though...
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Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Sat, 13 November 2004 22:39
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I thought i woudl drag this up, as i have been reading a very interesting forum thread from another rally club. Have a good read, it starts on driving suits (flame retardant) and quickly moves to firebombs and hand held extinguishers.
http://www.bmsc.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=427 9&page=1&pp=15
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 04:29
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I've just bought a 1.5 kg "dry chemical poweder" unit and as to take my car on the local race track i need a min 0/9 kg bottle a helmet and a battery triangle.
Will this out out a car retated fire ?
I'm looking at buying another one so i can mount one on each side if the transmission tunnel.
And yes i know it's old thread i'm fully aware of it.
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 08:56
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3M have brought out a new replacement for Halon called Novec 1230.
http://www.wormald.com.au/firesystems/gassystems/n ovec
I hear its some expensive stuff though and is mainly targetted at commercial installations.
It will not damage anything and has no effect on the ozone layer.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Mini fire-extinguishers
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Mon, 07 March 2005 21:43
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Also it might sound trivial but.......
should i mount it with the bottom facing forward or backwards.
I plan on mounting it with the catch at the top.
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