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Toymods Board Member
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Turramurra, Sydney.
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Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Tue, 08 October 2002 17:33
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I've decided to take the plunge & bolt up a supra 5spd behind my 4A-GE, rather than rebuild the T50 only to have to upgrade when I eventually get my turbo plans underway.
What I'd like to know relates to the extra parts available available from Dellow to make the conversion possible. I guess I'll get the clutch plate for 100 bucks, but the other bits I'm not too sure about. I know there's a few of us turboing our 4As, so someone must have just been through this whole deal recently.
First of all, what's a pilot bush?? Do they mean pilot bearing?
The guy at dellow said the clutch fork is custom, & the original supra one won't fit. Is this true?
Thrust race & carrier, is this the same story?
Pffft, 100 brass beans for a tailshaft yoke, you gotta be kidding!
Speedo cable..... I imagine I'd need to get this one. What's the difference, just length?
Slave cylinder & adjustable pushrod, what sort of slave cylinder is it? And how long & adjustable is the pushrod?
Speedo angle drive, is this an angled fitting or something? Necessary?
Thanks heaps for any help you can provide, I don't want to have to pay up to 1000 bucks for the whole kit & kaboodle.
BTW, if anyone wants I have a price list from Dellow for their bellhousing & parts for a supra 5 speed to 4A-GE conversion.
And another thing, I got in touch with the Castlemaine Rod shop about the same bellhousing, & they said they'd need a 4A block & supra box, & would charge $50 per hour to make it.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 00:24
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Yes, I've done this one, and it was a bit of a mongrel getting it to fit. Still...
Yeah, just the bearing - you can use the one thats already there
The dellow cluch fork IS 'custom', and a mighty ugly looking thing it is too 
Thrust race and carrier, same deal
Tailshaft yoke, hit the wreckers
Existing speedo cable is fine
If you want to get the slave cylinder on the drivers side, just get a RHS one from the wreckers, they're mostly much of a muchness, no need to pay Mr. Dellows too much for one! And the 'adjustable' rod looks like a cheap hardware store bolt... cut a piece of bar off for yourself, REALLY ain't too hard!
Another thing I found was the the dellhousing(!) doesn't allow for the fact that toyota mount their 4A engines on a slight angle, so the gearshift will do funny things whether you like it or not... Just gotta bend some funny angles on it!
Remember you gotta make a custom crossmember too.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 00:26
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In fact I should probably try and take some pictures and write an article on this or something, its been asked a few times now... Anyone in Melb. wanna volunteer a digital camera to take some pics?
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 01:11
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from what mrshin said is it just me or does that kit sound really shoddy?
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 02:41
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Thanks for that mate.
With the slave cylinder, I already have a RHS one on my T50, will this do, or do I need a supra RHS slave cylinder?
That's what I thought about the bolt, $20 for something I'd be able to pick up from the local hardware.
As for the angle of the motor, mine's mounted pretty level, so I won't worry about that too much.
And because this is going into a celica, I gotta chase up my old gearbox crossmember & tailshaft, I have a feeling they're just what I need.
That reminds me though, which supra shifter position do I need to match the T50s shifter position?
Rob, the kit doesn't sound too bad, at least they can supply pretty much everything (at rather inflated prices). Only problem is, these are the only people that make this bellhousing, so we're sorta stuck with it
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 09:37
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Bigworm.....
I ahev a good mate who is selling a COMPLETE setup. He was going to put it in their PRB clubman, but it would take too much shopping of an allready bullet proof space frame chassis.
The list is as follows:-
-completely rebuilt W58,new syncros, new gears, new bearings, etc.
-4AGE-->W58 bellhousing
-4 puck brass button clutch, unsprung (mans clutch!)
-heavy duty pressure plate (unsure of specs)
-tailshaft yoke
-clutch fork
Everything is BRAND new, not even fitted in the car (as i explained above). It was built for racing, and was goin to sit behind a turbo charged 4AGE.
The whole setup cost him a little over $1600, and he is selling it for $1400..........but remember it is all BRAND new stuff, bolt in and drive away.
If yopu are interested, call him on 0418272487, his name is Allan......or allbugh@hotmail.com
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 10:35
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You'll need a different clutch cylinder
I used an RA60 shifter in mine, seems to be about as close as you're gonna get it, although I'd imagine your cars floor is probably slightly more forgiving than mine!
I guess the kit DOES look a bit shoddy... but hey it seems to work. The casting on the housing itself reminds me of primary school art classes with clay - see what I mean for yourself! Oh, and no strengthening ribs... still I haven't busted mine - yet.
Plus I'm sure you'll love the mickey mouse ears where you can bolt the starter on either side  and the 'optional' side which you want the clutch cylinder on looks to be pretty much which side someone punches a hole in there with a pointy hammer!
I probably reckon I should have tried to make one myself with the bellhousings I had, but hey this one seems to work, so why complain...
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Auckland, New Zealand
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July 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Wed, 09 October 2002 19:43
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What flywheel do you guys use?
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Auckland, New Zealand
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Thu, 10 October 2002 10:28
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Ahh sorry, must be smoking something too much 
Of course you'd still be limited by the engine side of the bellhouse, its the gearbox side which changes.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Thu, 10 October 2002 10:28
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I'm still using the 200mm(86) flywheel, which lately has actually been working quite happily since I got a half reasonable clutch. Another thing to remember (well that I found anyways!) is that you do still have to grind a tiny bit out of the housing even to use this flywheel - I discovered that after I bolted the box in place and tried to start the engine
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Perth, WA
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October 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Tue, 15 October 2002 04:24
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I'd been thinking about this very same mod, given that my T50 is less than 'brand sparkling new', and i thought something a bit spankier/tougher like a W58 would do the trick...
lot of money though...
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Tue, 15 October 2002 11:25
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If you wants to quote a past PM, you could say 'life wasn't meant to be easy'...
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Tue, 15 October 2002 11:59
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.... or cheap.
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Adelaide
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June 2003
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Mon, 23 June 2003 02:53
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Anyone who's trying to match up foreign engines and gearboxes checkout Castlemain Rod Shop, they specialise in this sort of stuff.
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Adelaide
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June 2003
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Mon, 23 June 2003 02:54
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Sorry, I missed the part about you already trying them.
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Dellow Belhousing, 4A-GE to W55/6/8
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Mon, 23 June 2003 04:19
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Why do you need a tailshaft yoke? I have a W55 in my RA28 Celica and its using the original tailshaft.
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