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Why do people on the dole get more than people studying?????
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Wed, 09 October 2002 03:19
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This is something i'm really dirty about.
A guy I know is on the dole, sits at home and playes on a playstation (something I can't afford but he can) alllllllllll day, goes out every weekend and drinks heaps of alcohol (again something I can't afford) and is always winging that he still doesn't get enough money.
I get around $100 per f/night centrelink payments as a full time uni student and this doesn't go too far with food, petrol, rego car expences and just surviving.
He gets $380 per f/night and has zero expences as he lives at home. He has no uni fees ($500 a year for me) text books ($700-$800 a year) and I am doing Primary Teaching so I have to drive 110 k's a day to teach Kindergarten all day everyday UNPAYED!!
He has no asperations of getting work for the rest of his life and i'm trying to be able to get a job to pay tax to re-pay the 50 bucks a week i'm getting. He will never re-pay his.
I look at apprentices and they get a wage (I know guys it's small) so I can't see why we can't get some kind of wage to at least pay for expences!
I know I might sound like a winger but I really can't follow the whole system.
Let me see if I got this straight...The government rewards people on the dole with more money to go buy a new Playstation game every 2 weeks to occupy their time while they try and keep uni students living in poverty eating sh*t because in the near future they will be paying big taxes.........hmmmmmmmm
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Wed, 09 October 2002 03:29
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You're not whinging really...you're lookin at it for what it is. I'm going to cancel my Youth Allowance because I dont get any at the moment. I "earn" too much, too bad if I have to pay bills, or heaven forbid try to save to have a good time once in a while...ah well.
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Wed, 09 October 2002 04:08
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Dude - many have whinged bout this before - I dont blame you.
The system in Australia works this way. If you work hard you get punished i.e. high taxes if you earn too much or low wages if you earn too little.
HOWEVER it praises people who don't work by paying them the dole !!!
THe government will never remove the dole because they get votes from these dolebludgers.. simple as that..
Look at it this way... in 5 years time, you will have a good education, respect from people and probably make a shit load more money than your beer-drinking mates - I sure am !
Dont worry !! you will get what you deserve. Going on the dole, to me is like saying I give up 
ALSO imagine if you wanted to go on a holiday... you think you will have any money saved up from the dole, or do you think you will be able to get a loan for a new Toyota ? hehahha
Just be proud of what you do ! 
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Wed, 09 October 2002 04:10
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Oh but i respect people who have a job and get allowances from the govt - these people are simply smart !
Showing the government what a stoopid system this one really is ! 
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Wed, 09 October 2002 05:59
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I HAVE NO TIME FOR ARSEHOLES LIKE THIS!! 
they stand for everything that makes this country look bad! i am a uni student.. currently working full-time doing my engineering experience. I went on youth allowance for a while, it was completely useless! $190 a fortnight was the most i could get. but i usually got something ridiculous like $40 cos i worked for 2 DAYS!!!! how fvcked up is that!!! and to qualitfy for youth allowance i had to work very hard to make $15000 in the 18months after i left school (hence for 18mnths i couldnt get YA!!)
its just a joke really 
when i go to uni.. im there 4-5 days a week.. then i work all weekend... and i pay taxes for these fvckwits to sit on their arse and wank!!! im studying to better this nations economy and society... and while im studying im supporting an ARSE like this!?!??! please explain.
And on top of that there is HECS. over $5000 a year gets racked up in debt! and now they wanna charge interest!!! and increase fees!!!
personally i think there is one minority group in this society who is often forgotten... the NORMAL uni student. not the lazy arsed arts student who are at uni 1 day a week and protesting some crap the other 6... im talking about the law/engineering/business/science/etc students who study 4-5 days a week and get pittence from the govnt for our efforts towards eventually paying them half our income!! and they have the hide to want interest from US!??! Where is our $350 a fortnight for doing nothing?? why can;t we go on the dole? jsut cos we also PAY to go to uni and study.. we automatically get less than the dole bum?? im sorry.. but it just doesnt compute.
there's my whinge.
and to the government and any dole bludgers out there.. i have this to say to you!
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Wed, 09 October 2002 06:34
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WITZL why do u get so little on austudy? When i was on austudy i got the same ammount as those on the dole. Worked out to be 180 or so a week?
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Wed, 09 October 2002 06:48
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living at home... and that was like a year ago.... its gone up to like $230 or somthing a fortnight now.
yeah, living at home independant you get less
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Wed, 09 October 2002 07:08
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you need to get inside information. I have spent all my uni life on Austudy etc and have got a spreadsheet set up where I can see how the hours I work effect my payments- you can optimise it and see what the best amount to work is so that you don't go working an extra 10 hours and at the end of the day have your payments reduced so you are really working for 30c an hour or something stupid like that. I am pretty lucky, my sister is a systems analyst for C.Link so she helps me to find the necessary info rather than having to wait on hold for hours to talk to your average daft counter worker.
my advice as well is for student engineers to try to get Vac work over the summer for a mining company. You will definitely be able to make the threshold for independence then.
As for Dole Bludgers I had some skatey mates who wanted to start their own clothing label with cash from the dole called centerlinc so skaters and surfers etc could say that they were sponsored and just had to sell their autograph each f/night to get paid. Cocky bastards.
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Wed, 09 October 2002 07:11
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Seems like the big system is screwed in other countries as well besides here in the northern Europe.
Get this - buggers on the doll here will loose a lot of dosh if they even try to do the decent thing and work part time (like 2 days a week or so). End result is that doll buggers get paid more money if they decline all part time job offers and stay home! How screwed up is that?
How much is doll compensation over there? Ova here doll compensation is 60% of your gross salary for the first 500 days when you get unemployed. You have to pay taxes and all outta that 60% you get. After 500 days on the doll the dosh gets significantly smaller, but cannot remember exactly how small.
Well - it doesn't go next to nothing if one happens to be uneducated refugee from Africa. Those buggers are taken care of.
BTW, how much are taxes in Australia. Over here we have to pay compulsory pension fees, medicare and territorial taxes. All this will amount to 35 to 50 percent of gross income. It's not uncommon to see some people pay more than 50% in some cases. (Especially when lot of overtime has been done in some salary period).
-A.
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Wed, 09 October 2002 07:51
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For those who are complaining about not getting enough Austudy, get this...
I get $0 per week because my parents earn too much (and I live at home). My parent's don't give me $200 per fortnight or whatever... it isn't a fair system at all. I still need to live too.
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Wed, 09 October 2002 11:55
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i'm full time uni studying primary teaching and i get $390 / fourtnight. reason why it is that high is because i also get rent assistance in that.
I'm lucky i worked those 18+ months before i started uni though. I can't find the time to work 15+ hours now, i'm lucky to get 8 a week. If you saw my timetable you would understand why... Uni 5 days a week, so i can really only get to work on a saturday, and then you have to give me time to do my assignments.
This money helps me alot and i can say i'm not rooting the system. But i feel for you all, we uni students are hard done by. The government should be paying us the FUTURE TEACHERS to go to uni. Without us, this country would go to shit in 10 years.
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Wed, 09 October 2002 16:10
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It's the whole expences VS how much you get thing that I can't understand. Expences as a uni student are huge where as a dole bludger has none at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't someone on the dole get even allowances if they enrol in a TAFE course? Like if they go and do one of those 2 week long courses don't they get a percentage off the cost if not the whole lot refunded?
That kind of stuff really stinks!
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Wed, 09 October 2002 16:32
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Very unfair...
One thing I'm pissed about is I'm in debt from my uni hecs fees and the government still make me pay my taxes as well as my hecs fee...Be good if they took the money they tax me on and use that to pay back my hecs debt. Greedy muthafuckers...!!!
And I cant get youth allowance, and I cant even get the concession card...coz my parents earn too much and I earn too much.
Stupid system. And I'm working my ass off so I can pay back my debts, but I gotta the government...for what???
Fair enough if they took $100k off me if I earnt $1m a year...
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Fri, 11 October 2002 02:17
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Howcome you guys get so little?
I'm at tafe (diploma), and I get $390/fortnight, $370 actually, because I voluntarily take $20/fortnight out for tax. I have roughly $800-1000/per year in tafe fees and books upon that though, rent, food, car insurance, rego, two CC's to pay, etc, so I know it isn't easy. It beats the hell out of sitting on the dole doing nothing though, and there is no way I'm doing the sweatshop (work for the dole) crap. At least I know I can get someplace, I hope.
The beef I have is with single mothers getting encouragement money to pop out more future loosers to fill the ranks of unemployed with.........
Actually, thinking about it, you guys probably just get youth allowance, while I'm on austudy because I'm an old fart.
EDIT: The only luxury I can afford as well is to fill my car up with BP ultimate. I don't smoke or drink, and it's still tight.
When are we going to become the smart state?
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Fri, 11 October 2002 02:37
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Yeah, parental income screwed me over bigtime. My parents did the silly thing retiring in july the year before (2001) and as such, got some sort of payout/super at the start of the 2001-2002 financial year, meaning that centerstink took my parental income to be something above their cutoff. Hello dipshits! they are RETIRED! no more money earning ... fuuuck me.
That screwed me up for an entire year, and now that I _can_ get some money, they tell me that because i did some semesters part time, and some full time, I have exceeded my allowable time at uni. Oh, and they gave me ... wait for it ... 4 days notice! Ta.
Suffices to say, that i've had to quit uni, and get a second job.
Another thing that pisses me off, is every time i have to ring centrestink, the recorded message on the phone t.a.l.k.s t.o m.e l.i.k.e i.'m m.e.n.t.a.l.l.y r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. It's positively offensive.
About the independant thing tho, if I gain independence, my siblings suffer, from what I have been told. But I think i might just have to start thinking about me over the next 18 months.
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Tue, 15 October 2002 06:16
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When are we going to become the smart state?
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That is a fantastic point!! Smart people that are trying to have a go get screwed over by getting very little while dumb people get all the benifits!
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Suffices to say, that i've had to quit uni, and get a second job.
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I know WAY too many people who have done this. Either given up or gone part time so they can work too. Doesn't the gov. realise that if they payed us just a little more (enough so we got the same as dole bludgers at least) we wouln't need extra jobs, therefore more jobs for dole bludgers to go out and get, reducing the unemployment and then all uni students could be full time so then they get out and get jobs earlier to pay back the little amount the government payed us to begin with in taxes.....Sounds simple to me!
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Tue, 15 October 2002 06:25
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AGREED!
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Sun, 27 October 2002 20:24
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I had a bit of a run in with Centrelink when they sent me a bill for $3k.
The first time I got YA when I was at TAFE i was declared independant because i told them I couldn't live at home (big argument with my old man) so I got the full amount regardless of dad's income (he earns too much by himself, mum doesn't work).
Then I moved home after leaving uni, working, then going back to uni. Living at home I was then getting $180/fn or something, as well as money delivering pizzas, so life was good. I then left uni (again) and moved to perth (again).
Starting the new semester this year I was on the full $290/fn until they requested details on dads income again. Suddenly the decided I didn't need to eat and even with rent assistance, after paying my rent I had $10/fn for food and bills, and the $3k bill. Apparently I need more money to live at home when I have a job then to live 200k's away without my parents.
After some checking I realised that once you turn 21 you're better off (by $60-80 or something) to be listed as unemployed instead of being a student, and just dodge up the forms like all the dole bludgers do.
I've known a few fulltime dole bludgers, and apparently they need more money to pay for their 253 holdens, hungry jacks and disposable nappies
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Sun, 27 October 2002 20:43
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years ago a person i used to work with actually quit his full time job to go on the dole - because he could earn more being on benefits/dole! i could not believe what i heard. after many abusive conversations with this "person" i gave up - he was a loser and would never be anything different.
people in this country have it far to easy. if you are genuine and cannot get a job and need the dole for this reason and this reason alone then i believe it is very worthwhile.
i do feel for the uni students who have it hard - like living on campus and studying trying to pay bills and have some sort of life and just not "exist" - unfortunately our future professionals are FORGOTTEN about by our shitful government.
yet the bottom of the food chain is encouraged to stay at home - if you sit at home and make NO effort whatsoever to do anything about your predicament, then you are a leech on society. bottom of the food chain.
what happens in the animal kingdom to animals at the bottom of the food chain?
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Mon, 28 October 2002 01:18
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*dinner*
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Mon, 28 October 2002 01:23
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this issue is in my head all the time too, i work 9.5 hours a week in fast food (they want to give me any more cause im "old", yeah, like 20 is old) of which i end up with about $100 a week. centrelink doesnt want to know me cause im not independant, and i didnt move away from home cause my parents beat me, like some people claim happens to them. so i have to supply my mums income, of which she has some money sitting in an account from my parents divorce settlement, this counts against me big time.
now i live with my fionce and we rent, lucky im able to live cause she works about the same as me, but she gets the rent assist and moving away from home cause she moved to perth to study. i feel so bad about leeching money off her.
so yeah, i might just have to become homeless in order to eat. it certainly feels that way
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Mon, 28 October 2002 02:44
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I agree. It is a truly messed up system. I was in the same boat as some of you. Parents earned too much and even though I never got a cent assistance from them for schooling after high school, I still could not get Austudy. I had two choices. Moving out of home or as one woman at centerlink advised me and I quote "just sit around for 12 months until you are classed as long term unemployed and then we will pay for your education".
This woman copped a big earful and her supervisor and everyone else I could speak to about the terrible attitudes of the people working there. Now with attitudes like that no wonder the system is a joke!!!
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Mon, 28 October 2002 03:08
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I don't even get no kinda Austudy payments or anything  All I get is what I'm paid at work ($350/f'night)... not much! I don't understand how this works but hey, the government's corrupt anyway...
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Mon, 28 October 2002 12:23
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I feel for you guys and I'm glad I only had to deal with moving to the city at 16 on my own on an apprenticeship. Having said that, I'm also glad that it's tough on uni students so it'll keep all those losers out of our unis so those who want to learn get more access and less distractions.
But as mentioned before, I don't like the way young women are almost encouraged to choose a career in polluting society with their offspring. I do realise that not all people on the dole are scumbags and same with single mothers but I'm sure you can recognise that the majority is.
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Tue, 29 October 2002 00:37
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yes.. the system is tought on uni students... yet there are still so many complete drop-kicks in our uni's. All i have to do is walk across to the art's building of UTS and i see dropkicks everywhere, wasting the time they should be using to learn by protesting some useless crap about women's rights. Which brings me to another issue. If anyone saw ACA last night there was a report about the complete abscence of representation of healthy white anglo-saxan males in many student guilds/associations. This is also far too true at UTS.. where myself as a healthy, white, anglo-saxan, english speaking, hetrosexual male have pretty much no representation and no additional benefits or concessions like all of these ridiculous minorities get. Yes some are legitimate such as disabilities, but there are sooo many concessions and special "bonuses" for gay and lesbian students.... it sickens me. These people that protect and harbour these concessions are just the type of dropkicks that i would like to see cut from the funding that MY HARD-EARNED TAXES support.
it's a farce people. Pleas feel free to attack my claims, i will only refute nonsensical bullsh!t that i would expect to hear from the types i have listed above.
NB: i dont have a problem with minority groups, just the concessions they frivilously give themselves, and the discrimination that i suffer because of it.
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Tue, 29 October 2002 02:06
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I know what you mean WITZL, those minority groups cop heaps of bonuses and benefits. No offence meant to anyone here, but I used to hate most of the Arts and Philosphy type students. All they would do all day is protest and complain about the University. Demanding lower or even no fees and protesting against the removal of a bush or tree. Ok, while lower fees would have been great, remember its not a right to be there, its a privelege. Universities arent a charity, they need to make money to. They need money to cover all the bills they incur in providing the education. Teachers dont work for free, electricity companies dont donate. And So what if they rip out a tree? Go plant another one!
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Tue, 29 October 2002 03:10
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heehee... i used to REALLY get stuck into the bastard hippies out the front of uni trying to get people to join greenpeace.. i would give them shit about wasting mine and their time, when they could be off saving the southern mangrove coasts of queensland from developers, or lobbying to have a reduction on land clearing in QLD... etc etc.... they used to have absolutely no comback other than, "why dont u join and help us"... to which i'd reply "nope, im not a hippy" 
well yes... those lazy bums that u and i have mentioned really should be doing something productive with their time, like using correct political procedure and active integration with the common student body to inform and recommend on REALISTIC ideas that they might have...... rather than just chanting dumb sh!t like "uni should be free!" and "john howards gay" and otehr assorted dumb sh!t like this that makes the rest of us just walk away ignoring them as a joke.
Perhaps if they weren't such hippies and they talked on an intellectual plane we might listen to them.
<end rant 1>
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i just wish there was some kind of support organisation, "special area", and decent representation of the common white aussie english speaking hetrosexual MAJORITY in both our student representative bodies and support networks
<end rant 2..... for now>
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Tue, 29 October 2002 03:38
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I used to love giving them crap, asking how many trees they chopped down to print their flyers about saving the trees!!
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Thu, 31 October 2002 05:51
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Not really relevant these days, but I remember my dad saying that after my brother was born, he and another guy he worked with would have both been better off on the dole because they had 4 kids.
Of course he stayed with his job, and almost 18years later he's got it made, but even for that to be possible is bullshit.
I once told someone I was having my car and computer as my kids, cuz they're cheaper. She replied "Yeah but you don't get money off the government for having those".
Nuff Said.
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Thu, 31 October 2002 06:49
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I too was a primary teacher not getting austudy because of my parents but my g/f moved in and we called ourselves defacto. God i hate that word but it got me austudy.
Anyway stick to it and when you graduate you can get a casual teaching job work at least 3 days a week on a bad week and get $185 a day. I am and love it.
Brad
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Thu, 31 October 2002 10:34
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I think I have really lucked out!! I don't even have a girlfriend. ha ha ha ha ha 
I put down I will go almost everywhere in the State...except a few bad bad country areas and inner Sydney so i'm a little scared I will end up in some shocker of a town. I just hope I don't. Because causual 3 days a week in a nice place would as you said be better.
I just can't wait till next year and actually start teaching. Will be such a good experience. I finished lectures etc last week and now have 2 exams and no more uni for me...can't wait!
Great to hear too purpleminiep that your having fun! Something for me to look forward to lets hope!
And when I turn up next year in Lismore for my graduation in my Soarer (or something similar hopefully) with a pocket full of money I hope to laugh at my "rich" dole friends 
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Thu, 31 October 2002 13:26
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I think victoria schools work differently. We have t apply to each school we want to work at.
I just started working at a few schools where i did my placements during the last 2 years of uni.
When do you find out your school for next year?
Good luck
Brad
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Fri, 01 November 2002 05:35
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Yeah I heard Vic schools are a little different. Ours is like a lotto. All in and hope for the best.
I have been offered 2 days per week at my school i completed my last prac at (in Byron Bay...oh yeas I could handle teaching there!) and 1-2 days in Lismore. But our uni is dead set hopeless and won't give us our teaching numbers so therefore no casual work. Apparently Armadale people get to teach all 4th term in their last year.
Anotehr gripe I have about our uni (SCU if your wondering) is our placements have already been appointed but the uni haven't sent the Edu. Dept. our transcrips because they gave us exams in late November/ early December!! They are crazy. The government aren't the only people wanting us not to work!
I know of a few people from different uni's the have found out...not ours.
The uni was saying the other day they will have our exams marked and transcrips sent next year and we won't be finding out about positions till 1-2 weeks before school starts. VERY HELPFUL
If there is anyone out there thinking of doing primary teaching...
DO NOT COME TO SOUTHERN CROSS UNIVERSITY!!
Thanks for the good lucks though Brad
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: Why do people on the dole get more than people studying?????
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Fri, 01 November 2002 06:15
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UNI SUCK,
DONT COME TO UNSW !!!
STAY ON THE DOLE....
LIVE OFF THE TAX PAYERS!!!!
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