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Re: Rules on what (year) engine can go into your car ..
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Tue, 16 November 2004 07:23
 
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yup, you got it..
the engine that goes in must be to the same emission standards as the engine that was in the car... if you can show that an older engine was still manufactured to the saem emissions, you should be able to put it in...
as a general indicator, engineers say same or newer, as then they have to determine if the older engine meets specs...
the other option is to have a pre-ADR car 
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Tue, 16 November 2004 07:37
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I always used to think that you couldn't put an older engine into a newer car. However this it not correct! It all depends on the emission gear fitted.
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Tue, 16 November 2004 08:13
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If fitting a late model engine to an old car, does the engine have to meet the emmission standards of the car it came out of or the car it is going into?
Hope that makes sense.
Brad
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Re: Rules on what (year) engine can go into your car ..
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Tue, 16 November 2004 08:19
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| BradW wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 16:13 |
If fitting a late model engine to an old car, does the engine have to meet the emmission standards of the car it came out of or the car it is going into?
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The motor you are putting in, has to have the same or better emissions as the motor that came out.
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Tue, 16 November 2004 08:40
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 19:19 |
| BradW wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 16:13 |
If fitting a late model engine to an old car, does the engine have to meet the emmission standards of the car it came out of or the car it is going into?
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The motor you are putting in, has to have the same or better emissions as the motor that came out.
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for NSW, the new motor must maintain it's better emissions.. you can't make a new motor more smoggy because it's going into an old car...
that said... if you take an old block, stuff new bits into and onto it, then it still only has to meet the higher standard of car or motor...
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Tue, 16 November 2004 08:43
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So NSW has, on paper, the emission results of every motor released in Australia in the last 30 years?
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Tue, 16 November 2004 08:58
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 16 November 2004 19:43 |
So NSW has, on paper, the emission results of every motor released in Australia in the last 30 years?
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in a way yes
if the motor was released, unaltered, between sayy... 1992 and 1996, then the motor was still ADR compliant in 1996. thus the engineer can look up the emissions ADR for that year, and if those ADR's were unchanged until sayyy... 1998, then the engine is fine to install in a 1998 car, since the motor is compliact to that ADR..
same goes for all motos that have been released to comply to a given emissions standard... you may be able to better the emissions of a certain engine by fitting emissions gear from a later version, and that may satisfy an engineer...
Cya, Stewart
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Tue, 16 November 2004 09:06
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What about power restrictions?
I have a 1JZ-GTE in my GZ20 Soarer. Soarer's came with 1G-GTE's and 7M-GTE's so with the larger 7M-GTE at 3 litre single turbo, does that mean the 1JZ at 2.5L Twin turbo is still ok?
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Tue, 16 November 2004 09:27
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So I'm sticking a pretty heftily modified 3S-GE into my 1976 TA-23, The 3S-GE is composed of a 5S block from a 1992 celica and 3S head etc. According to all these laws (in NSW at least), the 5/3S-GE would have to comply with the emissions requirements for the 1992 period from whence the block came, not the 1986 period that the head came from...
right?
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Tue, 16 November 2004 09:33
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does it look and sound stock for that motor?
if it has been modified, then the emissions will be affected, and that changes things, but techincally... (and not being an engineer) yes..
you have altered a 5S motor, and that is the emissions you will need to comply with..
technically, without a full emissions test, it shouldn't be engineered, and technically, aftermarket ECU's are not to be used (except when locked after being tuned and passing a full emissions test)
but this is all how it 'should' be done.. not necesarily how it is..
you could argue that the better breathing etc will result in a more efficient motor and that it should pass emissions .... a cat will always help your case....
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Tue, 16 November 2004 20:04
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Page 5 scares me a little.
Now I'm planning on moving one of my mounts a few centimetres as shown here:
 
Am I affected by this rule?
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Wed, 17 November 2004 00:28
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that would be up to the engineer i guess .. if he says ok, then you will be fine as the RTA seldom says no to an engineered car 
CHECK with the engineer first dude as he will need to see your mounts before engineering them !
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Wed, 17 November 2004 01:11
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wow, so that IS a chassis rail flange that the mount comes stock welded on to. I wonder how the aw11 ever got past compliance!?!
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Wed, 17 November 2004 01:27
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in the first pic, you can seen the flange bits welded to the corner of the chassis rail... second pic only has welds across the top of the rail
i would take the first pic over the second pic any day, but i would definitely speak to the enginner that was going to approve my car first...
Cya, Stewart
ps, take both those pics to engineer and get them to point out whats wrong with both.. and ask what they would suggest... advice should be free, approval costs
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Wed, 17 November 2004 02:06
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Thanks Stewart,
The first picture is actually a stock mount, and as you can see when grinding it off, it was actually attached to both the top and the side of the rail.
I think you're right though, I'm best to take these photos to the engineer I'm going to use and ask him.
Thanks all for your help!
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Wed, 17 November 2004 02:07
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The rules being talked about here apply to NSW ONLY.
EACH state has its own different rules.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 02:17
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| wagonist wrote on Wed, 17 November 2004 13:07 |
The rules being talked about here apply to NSW ONLY.
EACH state has its own different rules.
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they certainly do most states are more generous than NSW tho, so following NSW rules should be fine for each state.. although SA seems to have some weird ones...
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Fri, 19 November 2004 05:45
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Spoke to another engineer today (because I couldn't find the phone number of the first one I'd talked to). Anyways, I quizzed him on the welds and he said he'd be happy with a weld accross the flange as long as the weld was done right. That rule is apparently for older vehicles and trucks, modern cars used pressed steel frames.
But on the downside, I was going to quiz him about using my mr2 disks with the gt4 calipers. But was cut short in saying I'd have to use mr2 brakes as the bias is set up properly for a mid engine vehicle. I think I'm going to have to find the phone number of the first engineer, he was fine with the celica brakes.
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Fri, 19 November 2004 06:24
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| davedave wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 16:45 |
But on the downside, I was going to quiz him about using my mr2 disks with the gt4 calipers. But was cut short in saying I'd have to use mr2 brakes as the bias is set up properly for a mid engine vehicle. I think I'm going to have to find the phone number of the first engineer, he was fine with the celica brakes.
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regarding the brakes, maybe you should consider why he told you to keep the MR2 brakes - he may have a point and it may be safer overall for the car as opposed to you 'upgrading' to gt4 calipers?
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