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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:48

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LSDs prices added.
Thanks
Wei
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 01:09

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Sounds like good prices.
Out of interest, are the rebuild kits for the Cusco centers available? How much do they cost? I know TRD ones are available, any idea on cost?
I've heard rumours that the Cusco LSD's are more durable than the TRD ones, any ideas?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 01:12

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Also, any light on the differences between the MZ and RS? I'm looking at the Cusco site now and it's all going *whoosh* over my head 
It sounds to me like the RS is more progressive and more durable?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 04:03

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Wei,
would the price go down if say, 5 of us wanted to purchase the TRD 2 way?
thanks mate
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 04:36

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hyperthetically if it happened - what are we looking at, each/delivered?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:18

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What about the Cusco ones? And any idea what sort of "better" price you'd be able to do on the RS?
Really tossing up going with TRD at the moment or splashing out and getting the Cusco RS, it's not an easy decision to make! I wonder how much difference there is between the Cusco MZ unit and the TRD? According to the article in Club4AG the Cusco ones are meant to be a lot better, but it doesn't specify if it applies to all Cusco units or only the RS...
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:45

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If you get a group buy going, I will do discounts on all 3 types LSDs units. Lets say $170 off the price on LSDs. I maybe be able to the MZ close or similar price of the TRD units. Price of MZ units should be very similar to the TRD units.
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Wei
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:03

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Well if the cusco ones are more highly rated and slightly more $$$, i'd go for the MZ or even splashing out on the RS if you have to pay just that bit more.
Well, demuire, if you are serious about a group buy, then that makes 2.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:23

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Very true, but i think you'll find that Wei is the closest person we have to getting reliable brand new units at an affordable price.
What would a rebuild kit include?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:28

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are these zenki or kouki? you might want to let ppl know....
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:28

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I think new clutches etc? Not sure to tell you the truth. I know the TRD ones are available, but don't know for what sort of money. Have heard it's reasonable, but don't know what "reasonable" is.
I have another source who's happy to get brand new TRD ones delivered for approx AUD1100, but can't do the Cusco ones.
Wei's pricing is good, and it's tempting to just splash out and get the Cusco RS 
Wei: Any idea what sort of delivery timeframe it would be?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:34

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Also if I'm not mistaken the Cusco ones are able to take the non-LSD axles straight away? Where's I think the TRD ones you need to shave the axles slightly, as far as I've heard.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:55

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I think most people here would be looking at the small axle version (Zenki?) as that's a lot more common here...
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 06:59

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Yes Zenki is the more common version for sure.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:04

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in japan kouki's are more common, so thats the reason i asked...
but yes, in aus most ppl are using t-18 diffs so yes, they would need a zenki lsd...
does it come with ratio's or not?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:16

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I dont think it does.
I am looking at the cusco and TRD catalogues and doesnt say anything about ratios. Just what way(1,1.5 or 2 way) is available.
Anybody have more info about ratios on the LSD and care to shed some light about it?
Thanks
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:43

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Umm, I think these are just LSD centers (no gears, so no ratios)?
If that price includes gears, I'm *SOLD*
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:50

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Its the LSD centres, you can see pictures of them on my website.
Thanks
Wei
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:53

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i think u will find trd has discontinued 1 and 1.5 way and only 2 way is available still...
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 08:01

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well looks like its only 2 ways available for TRD units then.
The past units i have got for customers have been 2 ways so i havent come accross the 1 or 1.5 way yet, but thanks for the info truenosedan.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 09:12

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I'm definitly interested in an Cusco RS. Put me down for one.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 09:45

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Well that's 3 Cusco RS's, just 2 more to go
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 09:54

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Ok guys we got 3 LSDs, 2 or more and we get this going!
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 10:02

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Also can you keep chasing up on the availability and price of those rebuild kits?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 10:10

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Thanks heaps
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:02

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AE86T wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 15:39 | I would say if 5 sets or more, i probably do them for $1080 delivered to your doorstep. Maybe slightly cheaper if more buyers. They will have to come in from Japan of course.
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hey wei...$1080 delivered for which lsd and which model?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:52

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rebuild kits for trd are still avail and are about $250-350
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 13:43

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hey wei does my lsd come under the group bye??? And have you ordered yet.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 21:29

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Wei, I'll be interested in about a months time on a 2 way. Still undecided as to Cusco or TRD. If that counts me in on the group buy, even better.
Sean.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 22:55

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Cusco RS 2 way!!!!!!!!
there is no better choice !!!
whats the procedure once we have 5 people? do we need to cough up the cash straight away?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 22:57

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Yes, and what happens if 4 people pay up, and then one person doesn't show? Does everyone else suffer?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 23:03

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Hmm, this is interesting:
Quote: | NOTE!
Three ways to set your CUSCO limited slip differentials : one way, 1.5 way and two way.
・ One way L.S.D. specially suited for front wheel drive cars and 4WD car front axles.
Activates under acceleration, and acts as a true LSD when the throttle is off. A great chance for improved lap times.
A CUSCO original design.
・ 1.5 way LSD
Activates under acceleration while the understeer is less than on the 2 way LSD.Recommended for drivers having difficulty with 2 way LSD understeer and one way LSD braking.
・ Two way LSD
Recommended on the rear axle for rear drive cars. Activates on both acceleration and deceleration. Recommended for those who
prefer hot driving action and big angle drift.
NOTE!
One Limited Slip Differential, Two Ways to Enjoy.
With CUSCO's LSD, you may change the setting during your overhaul with no additional parts required.
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Does that mean that with the Cusco ones they are all the same (ie whether you get a 2 way or otherwise) and that you can set it up however you want? Also what about how "tight" you want the LSD to be? If I'm not mistaken with the TRD ones you can buy shims or something to make it tighter, how is it done with the Cusco ones?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Thu, 18 November 2004 23:12

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demuire wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 10:03 |
Quote: | Recommended for those who
prefer hot driving action and big angle drift.
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hahaha
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 00:37

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awesome, yeah i think the 2-way is everyone's best option, tight and active on both accel and deccel.
Will have a hard time in the wet though
But my only other concern is the final gear. What are our options?
because obviously if we are going for the T series diff, and we wack the centre in, it'd be only 3.9 gearing - need 4.3 or higher.
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 00:59

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any idea on which model T-18's have what gear ratio?
How is the drive compared from a 3.9 to say a 4.11?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:10

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Not sure. AFAIK T18's mostly came with 3.9's. You can get 4.10 and 4.11 gears from most manual RWD Celica's. A lot of the auto ones came with 3.9.
Not sure about 3.9 to 4.11, but I've gone from 4.3 to 4.1 and the difference is noticeable. Slower acceleration, but more useable gears. Ideally with the stock gearing in the T50 gearbox I probably wouldn't want to go anywhere outside of 3.9 - 4.3
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:20

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so in theory 4.3 gearing would have a tigher ratio in higher speeds? like on the freeway you'd feel it clamping up - or is it the opposite way round?
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:26

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gear sets from trd 4.77 are about $750-880
free bump for wei
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:28

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Umm... huh?
All the ratios do is tell what speed your wheels would be doing in relative to your engine. It has absolutely nothing to do with the LSD at all. Whether it is a 3.9 or 4.3 or 5.1 or whatever, it won't make any difference as far as the LSD is concerned.
All the LSD does is limit how much faster one wheel can spin compared to the other one.
With a 4.3, driving on the freeway your engine would be running faster than if you had a 3.9. In my car (JDM T50, 4.1) doing about 100k's I'm sitting at about 3200RPM, with my old setup (Celica T50, 4.3) I'm doing about 3500RPM
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:33

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4.77 gears from Palmside are NZD650, which is about AUD590. Not including GST or shipping.
I personally wouldn't run this with the stock T50 gearing, it would make you top out 1st gear at about 45k's, and at 100k's in 5th you'd be doing close to 4000RPM...
To run 4.77 gears you really want to get a close ratio gearset for your T50 (which Palmside also sell, as well as Albins). What this does is make your 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear a lot more useable (more like stock)
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 02:13

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TRD make many gearsets
4.1
4.3
4.5
4.7
5.1
well used to anyway
all i can find listed on their site is the 5.375 one
http://toyota-trd.jp/en/comp/drive.html
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:15

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demuire wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 12:28 | Umm... huh?
All the ratios do is tell what speed your wheels would be doing in relative to your engine. It has absolutely nothing to do with the LSD at all. Whether it is a 3.9 or 4.3 or 5.1 or whatever, it won't make any difference as far as the LSD is concerned.
All the LSD does is limit how much faster one wheel can spin compared to the other one.
With a 4.3, driving on the freeway your engine would be running faster than if you had a 3.9. In my car (JDM T50, 4.1) doing about 100k's I'm sitting at about 3200RPM, with my old setup (Celica T50, 4.3) I'm doing about 3500RPM
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yeah this is what i mean, i'm saying in relative to what gear ratio set you are using, it has an effect on your engine/speed gearing.
So all i want to know is what gear ratio suits say a street car set up for the occasional drift
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:19

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But as far as ratios go, it really doesn't matter what sort of diff you run (whether it is a 2-way, 1-way, open diff, locker, air locker, etc)...
If you're asking what ratio you should run with your car, umm... Well AE86's came stock either with 4.1's or 4.3's (in Japan) so I'd be guessing one of those would do. If you have a close ratio box, then adjust accordingly.
*edit* Heh, you edited your post 
Quote: | So all i want to know is what gear ratio suits say a street car set up for the occasional drift
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I can't answer that question unfortunately, I don't drift
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:29

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haha i get ya now.
hmmm i'm wondering what 4.3 gears have to offer price wise..
what a pain in the ass just to get 2 rear wheels spinning
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:43

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Hi guys,
Honest to truth, i dont have a clue about the gearsets
Truenosedan seem to have an idea about the gear sets, may want to ask him.
I most likely can get gear sets, as long as theres part numbers and so forth, should be able to chase them up. Again how heavy are these gear sets. May cost abit to freight them from Japan 
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:46

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I would imagine they'd be a lot lighter than an LSD
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Re: Vision R: Suspension & LSD
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:57

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Well shouldnt be a problem then 
Yeah LSD freight is not cheap, quite heavy.
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