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perth
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November 2004
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2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sun, 21 November 2004 14:54
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Any difficulties doing this conversion ?
i plan on getting either a supra or aristo cut and doing this. prefer manual, base car is auto
is there any issues fitting the engine and box etc?
ive done rb25det into r31, so im used to conversions, but i dont know my toyotas so well
Cheers for any advice
Tom
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sun, 21 November 2004 15:05
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Should be very similar to the 2JZ MA71 conversion, which Stenno has done. Apparently it's quite straightforward if you use a JZA80 front cut. Unfortunately the Aristo has the wrong sump, and it isn't available in manual.
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Location:
perth
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November 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sun, 21 November 2004 15:07
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yeah was well aware they dont come manual.
hopefully its pretty much one of those pull the old out put the new in type conversions
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Location:
perth
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November 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sun, 21 November 2004 17:10
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http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/714965 53
ive decided to grab that
clean , nice base car , has the style of rims i like on an old soarer
another option is 1jz also
now dont spose you know any perth boys who are good with this sort of work ?
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Location:
Perth, WA
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June 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Mon, 22 November 2004 03:36
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hey teejay,
have a speak to trueno_gze? i think hes got a soarer with the 2jz swap and hes in perth, maybe u can even check it out...
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Location:
perth
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November 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Mon, 22 November 2004 12:53
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its not for sale is it?
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Tue, 23 November 2004 04:17
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| teejay's writes |
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I believe your sig is lagging 
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Location:
cronulla
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September 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Tue, 23 November 2004 09:48
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if you have a JZA70 cut or a JZZ21 cut (damn rare) the swap for a 1J into an old soarer is as straigtfoward as unbolt all engine to body connections, drop the crossmember with the lot, do the same on the halfcut, leave the wheels on both, take a trolley jack and wheel the jza70 crossmember/engine/box and all into position under your MZ21 and bolt it all up. you will need wiring and a tailshaft, unless you get the factory JZA70 tailshaft. Buy a JZA70 1/2 cut if you want to do this swap. if you want a 2JZGTE buy a motor alone and sell the 1J that comes in your 1/2 cut, .
If you dont get a halfcut your going to need to find a JZA70 crossmember, sump, gearbox x/member and engine mounts. Stenno used the crossmember from my JZA70 type R halfcut in his 2J conversion.
btw, im not just crapping on about something i have heard, i have done the 1J - MZ21 conversion 1 yr ago, it went quite nice.
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Location:
Auckland, NZ
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April 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Wed, 24 November 2004 01:22
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Unless you have an 89.5+ Soarer, then any J series engine will drop straight onto the x-member.
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Location:
cronulla
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September 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Wed, 24 November 2004 09:26
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no, if you have a 89.5 + soarer or supra the engine will bolt onto the crossmember WITH the JZA70 mounts. if your soarer is earlier the crossmember is different. 89.5+ MZ21's are quite the rarity
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Location:
Auckland, NZ
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April 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Wed, 24 November 2004 22:05
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Umm... ok, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was what I just said... 89.5+ have the correct x-member to mount a J series engine providing it comes with mounts... although I'm not sure if JZZ30 and JZA80 mounts are the same as JZA70 mounts...
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Location:
south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 04:08
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89.5 onward supras came with the jza70 so im guseeing it will bolt onto straight away
before that im pretty sure the 1jz can stil be put into a soarer engine bay ive seen it done dunno about the 2jz though
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 07:07
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| indian wrote on Thu, 25 November 2004 15:08 |
89.5 onward supras came with the jza70 so im guseeing it will bolt onto straight away
before that im pretty sure the 1jz can stil be put into a soarer engine bay ive seen it done dunno about the 2jz though
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2j will go in just as easily as the 1j
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Location:
adelaide
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 08:30
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what would be the cost comparison though of the two.....
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 09:12
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| 73ke25 wrote on Thu, 25 November 2004 19:30 |
what would be the cost comparison though of the two.....
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add around 3k for 2jz I beleive
half cut price difference
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Location:
adelaide
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October 2003
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 09:51
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Ok so what would be needed exactly for the 2jz into a z20 soarer ? rough cost of each price ? as i may be looking to do the 1j in about january.... depending how much more the 2j is id rather go for that.
i thought there would be alot more modification needed for the 2j , cause you can just take the jza70 crossmember and engine with the gearbox and box crossmember.....
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Location:
Auckland, NZ
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April 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 12:07
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| 73ke25 wrote on Thu, 25 November 2004 22:51 |
Ok so what would be needed exactly for the 2jz into a z20 soarer ? rough cost of each price ? as i may be looking to do the 1j in about january.... depending how much more the 2j is id rather go for that.
i thought there would be alot more modification needed for the 2j , cause you can just take the jza70 crossmember and engine with the gearbox and box crossmember.....
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The difficulty of mounting the 2JZ is no different to mounting the 1JZ, the cost difference comes from the purchase price of the hardware. 2JZ generally costing about twice what a 1JZ does, and then if you want V160 gearbox over R154 (or even W58) and flywheels, clutches etc etc...
*shrug*
To put a JZ engine into a Z20 soarer, you need... If its pre 89.5, a post 89.5 x-member, JZA70 engine mounts, and the associated engine, box, wiring, turbos, ancillaries etc, and somebody to wire it up. Post 89.5, then obviously everything above less the x-member.
Always a wise idea to upgrade radiator and intercooler to something seriously aftermarket too, as apparently these engines run quite hot, and it always helps to do this things once, do them right... then later you can just go single turbo, more fuel, and you're set.
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 12:56
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| teejay wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 04:10 |
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/714965 53
ive decided to grab that
clean , nice base car , has the style of rims i like on an old soarer
another option is 1jz also
now dont spose you know any perth boys who are good with this sort of work ?
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Ahhhhh just seen your post , both of us bidding against each other on yahoo auctions  3 days to go
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 13:01
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| 1200det wrote on Thu, 25 November 2004 23:56 |
| teejay wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 04:10 |
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/714965 53
ive decided to grab that
clean , nice base car , has the style of rims i like on an old soarer
another option is 1jz also
now dont spose you know any perth boys who are good with this sort of work ?
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Ahhhhh just seen your post , both of us bidding against each other on yahoo auctions 3 days to go
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Fight!!! I don't care who wins, as long as there a pics of this MZ-2J conversion i'm a happy puddle of drool
Dan
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 13:02
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BTW, just looked at the car on yahoo.... lovely condition!
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October 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 14:04
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damn that soarer on yahoo is so nice , would be keen to buy it off you as is .. for more than you pay for it
 definately one of the nicest ive seen
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Location:
Western Australia
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April 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 25 November 2004 15:18
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Hey guys,
i am in the processes of buyin a na gz20 soarer(1ggeu!!!) for a very cheap price with plans to put in a 1jz, everything i read here is encouraging except wiring, can someone explain what needs to be done in terms of wiring, can you just use the 1jz loom and ecu and plug it into the rest of the gz20 loom?
also what brakes can bolt onto the soarer as a cheap budget upgrade?
also are there any other toyota radiators that are bigger and can bolt in?
just want to know how much of this job is diy.
thanks guys, have being a nissan person for a long time, and now trying a new change 
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2004
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Fri, 26 November 2004 01:56
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FWIW. put a 1j in from a jza70 manual half cut.. half cut is 4k(instead of a manual 2jz cut which is like  .. it all bolts straight in...
will need things like exhaust and cooler and cooler pipinh
spend the extra 4K on a big mother turbo
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Location:
Brunswick, W.A.
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December 2003
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sat, 27 November 2004 10:00
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My car is being shipped on monday, it is an MZ20 Soarer with the 1JZGTE, now I live in Bunbury so if you wanted to check it out the coversion you can. It will take about a week to get here though.
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Location:
Wollongong
Registered:
November 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sat, 27 November 2004 11:41
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Hey guys/Girls...
I didn't read all of the posts in this thread...
But is swapping the MA70 Supra 7M-GE for a 2JZ-GTE as easy as swapping the MZ21 Soarer for one?
Because I have been told some cutting is needed...
Also, isn't the cross member welded to the chassis or is it bolted on?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sat, 27 November 2004 13:13
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For a post-89 Supra, it bolts right in. If you have a pre-89 Supra, get a post-89 crossmember and swap it in. The crossmember is bolted in, not welded.
No cutting is required; this is a common misconception because LHD Supras have a different shaped firewall (the bulge for the heater box fouls the rear turbo), but it's not an issue on RHD Supras.
Have a chat to Stenno, he put a 2JZ-GTE in his MA71 a while ago.
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brisbane
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April 2004
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Sat, 27 November 2004 22:53
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OK!
i got a mz20.. build 4/90, second last batch. what have u
hmmmmm
why uppgrade to the 2jzgte, aren't u happy with the 7mgte , i think this engines great, if u know what to do to stop it from fucking itself,
you'll probably end up replacing the stock tiny turbo's on the 2j conversion anyway, and the rest, is it worth it?
sure they can beat skylines, i fog them all the time, there like nothing to it and its auto , manual ones are so hard to find, i saw one on a japanese auction the other day for $10000 if currenecy converted, thats even before it leaves the car yard.
so.. if ur just gonna use it as a daily driver, why do it.
plus, mines like the last series of them.. built between 86 and 91 there for 3 series.. the others are rat shit compared to the last.
mz21 isnt a different car, its just got air bag suspension and other stuff, its a mz20 - limited
three different types of pearl, elegant toning, ivory , and leaf .
i saw someones said theres has gold pearl, no its elegant toning a sparkly beige 
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:31
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 12:24 |
ok one year ago...whoops
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haha... tard!
Dan
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
Registered:
October 2002
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 24 November 2005 01:33
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 12:24 |
ok one year ago...whoops
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you bastard. It was November 2004 and I didn't even read the year. So has Teejay done this yet?
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Location:
Brisbane
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July 2005
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Thu, 24 November 2005 02:18
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ahhemm, but i think the conversion was from a 7M-GE to 2JZ-GTE not from a 7M-GTE.
Just a bit of a difference. If you wanted to take a naturally aspirated 7M that could be as old as 86 and make it equal to or better than a 4/90 factory 7M-GTE both in terms of performance and reliability - | Quote: |
what to do to stop it from fucking itself,
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, how much would you budget?
Still not as much as the conversion i know, but lets face it, the 2J is the successor of the 7M, and if you did the conversion you would still have a 7M sitting on your bench to do whatever the fuck you please with...
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Re: 2jz GTE into Mz20 Soarer
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Fri, 25 November 2005 05:14
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| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 09:33 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 24 November 2005 12:24 |
ok one year ago...whoops
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you bastard. It was November 2004 and I didn't even read the year. So has Teejay done this yet?
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Nah TJ has settled for a 1JZ/Cressida combo , and i've since found a jza70. 
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