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Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Mon, 22 November 2004 22:04
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Ok so the old ECU is coming out, I want to put the Power FC in it's place but there's a wiring issue that doesn't make the PFC kick the car over when the standard ECU does. I don't have much time to do this, I need to get it tuned up before I go on hol's this time next month.
Can anyone help me out here? I've tried talking to Mos, but he appears to be giving me the brush-off. Too busy... 
If one ECU kicks over and the other doesn't, surely it's a wiring issue right? We tried two of the same Power FC's against the standard 3S-GTE and neither of them wanted to crank the car. 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 01:48
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thats a bit harsh...
trying to work out someone elses wiring mistakes is an absolute nightmare..
why not ask the person that sold you the power FC? double and triple check your wiring logic (ie the diagrams you made) AND the wiring itself.. there's either a design fuckup or an implementation fuckup...
if the person that sold you the FC doesn't help, ask the company.. surely they are more indebted to provide support than someone else on toymods?
good luck!
Cya, Stewart
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 03:29
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The person who sold me the Power FC is in Japan. Stew, I'm not an auto-elec so I don't know how to read wiring diag's compared to how my wiring is laid out in the car. It's not a pretty sight behind that dash. 
I asked for Mos' help on this because he knows 3S-GTE wiring and stuff. I want to know if anyone else on here does, because I sure as hell don't. The 3S-GTE wiring loom was spliced into some of the RAV4 loom, leaving some wires out, which is not agreeing with the Power FC, but is apparently ok for the stock ST205 ECU. 
To my knowledge it's not a "mistake in the wiring", but more of something not connected when it needs to be to get this ECU functioning.
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 03:48
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Does the ECU "boot" up so you can check the settings with the handset?
I have heard of situations like this where the computer is set to use the FC boost controller in the factory but when hooked up without the controller will not run the car.
Just an idea.
And yeah I have to agree with Stwart
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Can anyone help me out here? I've tried talking to Mos, but he appears to be giving me the brush-off. Too busy...
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Is a bit harsh, Mos is a very busy guy. I know I organised a long time before my conversion to have him wire it and the work still ended up having to be done in the middle of the night to be able to fit into his schedule.
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 05:22
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The person who sold me the Power FC is in Japan. Stew, I'm not an auto-elec so I don't know how to read wiring diag's compared to how my wiring is laid out in the car. It's not a pretty sight behind that dash.
I asked for Mos' help on this because he knows 3S-GTE wiring and stuff. I want to know if anyone else on here does, because I sure as hell don't. The 3S-GTE wiring loom was spliced into some of the RAV4 loom, leaving some wires out, which is not agreeing with the Power FC, but is apparently ok for the stock ST205 ECU.
To my knowledge it's not a "mistake in the wiring", but more of something not connected when it needs to be to get this ECU functioning.
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Dude I've told you several times you can "borrow" the ECU off my Gen3... if theres anything missing from the original gen3 loom that mattered then I assume the standard ecu will start spitting error codes which can be fairly easily dumped and read.
I really don't know why you would chop the engine loom and I think you would have to be insane to do so... especially since you are only going from a 3SGE to a 3SGTE
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 08:11
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Toobs, I've gone from 3S-FE (not GE) to 3S-GTE. Do you have a boost controller on yours? I'm trying to weigh up options to see what can be done and when. PM me to let me know when you're available to come and see next.
No dissin' Mos, I know he's busy. It's just I'm running out of patience with this ECU.
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 09:08
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Whilst it's not exactly what your after.....and it's from my memory.).....and it's relevant to an sw20/3sgte.
There is an issue with wiring of a fuel pump when you do a conversion from a 3sge to a gte in an sw20.
A version of Power FC was provided in a kit to do something similiar. It has an adapter that plugs into the loom then the power FC and a relay off that additional part of the loom. It was to make up for differences in the loom and a sensor change.
It was marketed by Garage Fukui/SPL from memory and it was because there was no "plug in fix" available from power fc. Maybe try googling then bablefish on their site - you may find what it was that was corrected.
Not much help I know...
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 09:19
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Thanks for the advice, do you have a link to the site? It's worth checking out if it looks like it could be a fix. 
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 09:37
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Maybe try googling then bablefish on their site - you may find what it was that was corrected.
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Tue, 23 November 2004 11:30
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Looked up the closest thing I could to this Garage Fukui/SPL and found http://www.phoenixs.co.jp/ in a search, but translating it into English I couldn't find anything to do with a Power FC.
I looked up a link on the MR-2 forums and found some info...
http://www.mr2.com/DIGEST/VOLUME2/2051.txt
http://www.mr2.com/DIGEST/VOLUME2/2056.txt
It doesn't give me very much usable info or links to something that has info, but it does state that the info on that site is more for use with a US-model SW20 rather than a GT-Four. I'm not sure of what to make of all the info on those two above links.
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Re: Help needed to get Power FC in!
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Sun, 28 November 2004 23:26
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Spoke with Croydon Autosports today about the dilemma with my Power FC, and they said that if the fuel is being pumped ok with the standard ECU on, there's no need to fiddle with any fuel relays. Also they said because the controller might have a setting for the boost controller to be ON instead of OFF, it might not crank over then. Time to fiddle... now because I have the Power FC and the hand controller, I can see which settings are on and off, and correspond them to how my car is setup. I didn't want to do this earlier because of the lack of info on the fuel pump relay and the boost controller.
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