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Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 07:20
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i'm thinking of going out to pick and payless and grabbing the entire hydraulic clutch setup (not actual clutch.. just pedal, master and slave cylinder) + pedal box from an AE71...
now i'm just wondering how difficult this is going to be with the engine in said car.. i have absolutely no experience with pedalboxes though.. will i be able to rip the mongrel out with the engine still in ze car?
alternatively does anybody have a pedal box and or clutch setup that they are willing to part wiht?
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Location:
Perth
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September 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 07:56
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shouldnt be too hard are you just doing a auto to manual swap or are you going to put this into a ke70 with a 4a and t50box hence the hydraulic setup, i had a ke70 where we did a engine swap to a 4ag and it was easy enough with the motor in, just watch your head under the dash.. 
-bc
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Location:
ireland
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 10:12
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if you remove the clutch pedal you should be able to get the pedal box out with out ripping the steering column, remember to bring one or two knucles for your socket extension bars to get the 4 bolts on the brake servo, i had to do a similar job on my daihatsu charmant le when i put a 4age in it, i got the huydraulic clutch and pedal box from a 1600cc 4ac engined charmant lgx, they are very similar to an ae86 as everything bolted in even the petrol tank after modifing the filler neck.
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 10:13
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I have a feeling that the so-called "pedal box" in the AE71 is actually part of the pressed steel subframe under the dash  I don't think it will be a 30 minute job.
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Location:
ireland
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 10:23
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sounds like a bit of a dose so!
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 10:28
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would a auto g/box from a ae71 fit in2 a sprinter?
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 12:03
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first of all, rthy.. have you been drinking?
uh furk.. is this true bout the pedal box being a part of the subframe? can anybody back this up?
alright, i'm jut going to go to a wreckers and see what they want fo an entire wreck i will scab from that once i have it in my backyard (my old man is gonna kiiiiill me  ).. after that i'll just give sims metal a call..
as a bit of a background.. i've got my silvertop 20v + T50 (mit tailshaft) sitting on the floor in my dads factory sooo the conversion will begin as soon as i source clutch associated bits.
My list of parts that i have:
-Complete Silvertop 20v
-T50 (with tailshaft and speedo drive)
The List of Shit That I Need (to get the engine in the car, not necessarily running):
-Suitable pedal box (help me out on this one)
-AE71 Cross Member
-Clutch pedal
-Clutch master cylinder
-Clutch slave cylinder
-fuel pump (but this can come later)
-AE71 instrument panel
-T50 Starter Motor
-Bolts that mate gearbox to engine block
-Radiator + Radiator support (probably)
-spare gearbox + diff 
can you see my reasoning behind buying the AE71 wreck?
what else can you add to this list?
cheers
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 12:55
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just go to the wreckers and pull the stuff out! dont be a girl just do it
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 13:00
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would a auto box fit thoe? not that im ganna do it
i have taken out a whole 4ac with g/box and diff and put it in2 a sprinter, and was thinking.... hmmm would auto fit? 
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Location:
melb
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 13:49
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syncro - what is a diahatsu charmant? never heard of one of those...
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 14:10
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The auto CAN be used - I have, indeed, thought of this option, in the less than not-likely option that I ever used my 4AG turbo engine for a drag car.
As for the pedals, yes you need to take all the stuff from under the dash, yes it will do funny things to your neck, but it's quite doable. HINT: take the drivers seat out first!
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 21:15
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so you reckon that with all the shit that i need specifically from an AE71 i'd be better off going out to pick and payless in the morning with all my tools and leaving again in the afternoon mit 3 or 4 wheelbarrows of parts when i could just pick up a wrecked heap of crap for circa three humpty $?
sounds like a plan i'll take my list and my mates ute..
thanks fo all the help (and for calling me a girl) very inspirational
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Mon, 29 November 2004 23:38
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they have wheelbarrows there... just do a couple of trips to the carpark and you'll be right.
With a mate or two, it shouldnt take too long. If you bust something on a car there you have plenty more to choose from so dont be scared of breaking stuff pulling it out.
This is how i started learning about cars, trips to the wreckers. 
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Tue, 30 November 2004 00:31
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yeh i'm a massive fan of pick 'n' payless..
just a thought, am i gonna be able to pull out that whole crossmember with the engine in the car..? me thinks i will have to take my hydraulic jack with me..
i've got a nice mighty long list of the parts i need so it might be a one or two day job
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Tue, 30 November 2004 10:48
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ok to rephrase that..
what the hell does the crossmember connect to and how do i pull it out with the engine in the car?
would it be easier to modify my 20v sump + pickup.. This i can do (certified welder ) pedal box and cross members i have no experience with as i have never played around with these in my life.. exhausts, carbies, engine mounts, timing i have had a play and can deal with these
i have searched extensively and the next chance i have to speak to somebody knowledgable is a couple of days away..
so in other words a detailed description of what it is, what it looks like and how i am going to get it out would be so farking helpful..
we all need to start somewhere, right?
dont disregard this as another punk getting himself into something way over his head.. i have been part of many conversions (motoring family and friends) and i figure its my turn.. i have the support of many highly knowledgable people but am intent on doing this largely mysef.
i consider myself moderately capable i am just not an expert in ALL areas i.e crossmember and pedal box..
c'mon, talk a brother through it and watch the 20v KE70 blossom
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Tue, 30 November 2004 11:05
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so in other words a detailed description of what it is, what it looks like and how i am going to get it out would be so farking helpful..
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It looks just like the farking engine crossmember in your KE70, just the shape & mounting points will be different. It bolts to the vehicle's chassis in just the same way as your KE70, as does the steering rack etc.
It really will be easy to understand once you get there & lift the bonnet, but just in case you need a visual right now, this is a crossmember, but no, its not from an AE71 (but won't make a difference)
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Tue, 30 November 2004 12:29
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I just went to the wreckers and bought a 'whole car', an AE71 that had already donated it's rear quarter and a few panels, stuffed it in the backyard, and have used it for a whole bunch of handy bits, e.g. heater.
That's of course if you do have a backyard to fill up with scrap 
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Thu, 02 December 2004 23:30
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it seems you post and post but never actually get to the wreckers
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when would you like me to go out there mate? weekdays..? got school, weekends..? work both days 10 - 5.. payday isnt till tuesday so i'm living on petrol money for the week..
i'm not fucking around mate.. in less than a month i've bought and restored a KE70 (just finished cutting all the rust out and rewelding in metal plates) picked up my 20v and gearbox on which i've begun converting the water outlets (i've detailed the method in which i'll be doing so in several of my posts) and i'm doing this entire fucken conversion on my own..
i'm a young bloke doing my FIRST conversion on a budget tighter than a fishes cunt! i'm looking for a bit of advice on something i have no idea about and you come on here and write me off thinking your ripping..
how bout a bit of support? if you think i'm wasting your or anyone elses time then dont read any of my posts.. dont reply..
sorry.. but looking in the KE70 it seems to me that that cross member isnt coming out unless it is followed immediately by the engine.. at the moment im thinking sitting it on my hydraulic jack and then unbolting it all (bar the engine mounts) and just letting it down.. or something..
fuck it i'll just get out there and do it.. whats it matter if i fuck up and drop the wole thing on me foot.. just so long as i dont pester some old cunt, asking for a bit of advice.
the other part of my main question was "will the cross member come out without having to remove the engine" i'm still waiting on an answer to that one.. you've got plenty of time for abuse but none for advice..
thanks for the constructive critiscism from everyone else
Cheers
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Location:
Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 00:34
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the other part of my main question was "will the cross member come out without having to remove the engine" i'm still waiting on an answer to that one.. you've got plenty of time for abuse but none for advice..
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doenst the engine sit on the crossmember? thus making it hard to remove? unless u hang the engine on a hoist and jack up the car? depending on your setup....
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 02:31
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this is what i'd do if the car was at my house but i'll be out at pick and payless in the middle of a paddock  ..
although they should have a forklift out there.. so i'm thinking chains on the forklift and throw them on the hoist hooks?
this is why i'm asking.. i've got no idea and i dont want to go out to pick and payless, stand there with my dick in my hand and wonder what the furk i'm gonna do..
who has done it and how have they done it.. nah fuck it, i'm not asking for anymore advice on here.. i'll go out there and see what they want for the whoooole thing and decide what i'm doing from there..
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 04:35
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maybe u should do wat the people do down at simsmetal, just rip out the whole enigne and leave it on the side and take wat u need... they should have some hoist so u can take out the engine then get wat u need.
btw the advice here is gold, just look at TE72_Turbo post, HE HAD A PIC OF A CROSSMEMBER!!! 
pulsar oil... mmm... really makes you think....
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 07:54
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pulsar oil... mmm... really makes you think....
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smartass
The rest of the text reads "Fix pulsar oil leak"  I'm unfortunate enough to own an N13 pulsar as well as the "better" Toyotas.
My workbench is full of useless reminders 
Cheers
Phil
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Location:
ireland
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 07:56
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| chrisss wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 00:49 |
syncro - what is a diahatsu charmant? never heard of one of those...
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its a mid 80s rwd diahatsu, they came with either a 4k and 5 speed or else a 4a-c with 5 speed and powersteering electric windows etc, they were sold in ireland and i saw a few in fiji on my way to australia, i also saw some in the canary islands a few years ago. i dont have any pictures of one but im sure there are some on the net
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Location:
ireland
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 07:59
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as for getting the crossmember out of the ae71 put a bit of wood/steel between the strut tops and tie the engine to it, rip the moutings and it cant fall out!
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Location:
Sydney/Wollongong
Registered:
October 2004
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Location:
melb
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Fri, 03 December 2004 16:04
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syncro - I heard those charmats are good cause they have the T50 bolted behind a K motor instead of the K50 box..
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Location:
ireland
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October 2004
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Sat, 04 December 2004 10:27
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the 1300cc one i converted to 4age had a k50 5 speed, a 1600cc one i raped for the pedalbox and rev clock dash had a t50 with a 4a-c engine, the t50 has a different bellhousing with the clutch slave cylinder on the other side
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Location:
melb
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May 2002
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Sun, 05 December 2004 08:54
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well I guess that doesnt make them that special....
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Location:
qld
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December 2003
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:19
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dont forget to get the stays that bolt to the engine and to the bellhousings, the gearbox cross member, clutch hard line.. you really would be best off getting a wreck f its do-able.
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Location:
qld
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December 2003
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Re: Scavneging from AE71
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:22
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dont forget to get the stays that bolt to the engine and to the bellhousings, the gearbox cross member, clutch hard line.. you really would be best off getting a wreck f its do-able.
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