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very tough celica for sale, ready to drool celica lovers?
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Wed, 01 December 2004 08:34
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Check this beast of a ta24 out... i want a jdm stang back celica now 
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m648 5076
hehe tried posting it on nissansilvia.com to see the responses... like 4 ppl could appreciate what it was. Im sure u ppl will appreciate it alot more though.
for those who dont know, its a very very rare ta24 celica, complete with 2tg, built in very small numbers in 1974, as a sort of tryout for the mustang back style, ofcourse they later came out with the ra28 (with the later longer nose and different style rear lights) which sported the 2L 18R (18RG's in the gt models. This is the first "ST" ta24 ive ever seen before, interestingly it sports the GT extras aswell.
enjoy 
Aussie
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Wed, 01 December 2004 09:23
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yup, drooooollllll.
mmmmmm, rare old school celica. looks very similar to RA25, same taillights and same? bonnet, just different engine as far as i can tell.
wish i could bring myself to put guards like that on my TA23, would certainly be different over here, not sure about parking it though 
cheers
Matt
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Wed, 01 December 2004 09:27
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 i'd buy that if i could afford it...cant read jack on that page tho 
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Wed, 01 December 2004 10:30
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Hi,
No, it's a TA27, ST variant.
There were two models - the TA27 and the RA25
The TA27 had the 2T series engines and the RA25 had the 18R series engines. Both vehicles came out in LT, ST and GT variants. There was no ET or GTV version of these cars.
This particular vehicle should have a 2T-B engine (being an ST - 'cos only the GT version had the 2TG engine), but it appears the owner has replaced the 2T-B with the 2TG engine. Looks a little suspect 'cos the engine bay piping is not normal for that series engine and model.
This model, judging by the "5 speed" badge just under the left-side reverse lights makes it a mid/late 1974 (or later) version. Prior to that there wasn't such a badge.
The TA27/RA25 series are JDM only vehicles and were manufactured from 1973 to 1975, then came the RA28.
The 1973 to mid/late 1974 versions had the running script "Celica" badge on the side and no badging with "5 Speed" or "EFI" on the rear like this one does. Also, the mid/late 1974 models had the side "Celica" badge in block script.
This car is missing the honeycomb ST/GT grille which is a shame and the rear foil bolted to the back of the car is a bit ordinary. The car already has the aerodynamics at the rear with out ricing it with this sort of shit.
The fender mirrors are non-standard. The original fender mirrors are silver/grey in colour and round in shape.
I'm trying to figure out what happened to the exhaust pipe. It should be sticking out at the left rear, but I don't see anything.
Now, if you want to see a hellaciously fine example of a 1973 RA25, GT version, check out http://www.classic-celica.com/modules.php?set_albu mName=ra25aus&op=modload&name=gallery& file=index&include=view_album.php
This RA25 has now been fitted with original JDM fender mirrors but no photos have been taken yet. I'll get them done asap.
Prior to the TA27/RA25 series was the SV-1 prototype liftback, of which you can search on the net and see a fine example of one in the Toyota museum. The TA27/RA25 series were the first production version of the Celica liftback.
seeyuzz
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Wed, 01 December 2004 10:43
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Hi,
yeah, yeah... it's me again.
Just wanted to let you know that showing pictures of these old JDM classics to the dunderclumps at nissansilvia.com is like giving pearls to swine.
seeyuzz
river
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Wed, 01 December 2004 11:08
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Althought he car is very rare, I can't imagine it being worth anything as it has been so butchered! 1 thing I have to say though is that I prefer the tail lights of the RA25/TA27 compared to the RA28!
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Wed, 01 December 2004 14:24
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| river wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 21:13 |
Hi,
yeah, yeah... it's me again.
Just wanted to let you know that showing pictures of these old JDM classics to the dunderclumps at nissansilvia.com is like giving pearls to swine.
seeyuzz
river
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hahahahah very true... thought it'd be good for a laugh... but... it was just annoying. mainly the ppl who responded positively and with some intelligence... didn't own silvias.... what does that say for me (i own a sil80, but used to have an ra28 and still love em)
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Wed, 01 December 2004 20:09
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| Aussie wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 01:24 |
what does that say for me (i own a sil80, but used to have an ra28 and still love em)
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It makes you sorta like Darth Vader. You were once a good guy, but you've now turned to the dark side. However, somewhere, deep inside you, there may be that ember of hope that you'll return to the good side again. P:)
seeyuzz
river
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Coffs Harbour
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:10
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thats an awesome car
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:29
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that GT2000 is awesome, and the black one needs some lovin', but it's nice as well.... those wheels
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Thu, 02 December 2004 06:57
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| river wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 21:13 |
Hi,
yeah, yeah... it's me again.
Just wanted to let you know that showing pictures of these old JDM classics to the dunderclumps at nissansilvia.com is like giving pearls to swine.
seeyuzz
river
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agreed, some of the people on that site are total fucktards, and if it dont have 21" spinning wheels and a hektik rear spoiler then it aint cool...
someone thought the engine was a carby fed NA FJ20 ffs 
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Thu, 02 December 2004 08:45
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| river wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 07:09 |
Hi,
| Aussie wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 01:24 |
what does that say for me (i own a sil80, but used to have an ra28 and still love em)
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It makes you sorta like Darth Vader. You were once a good guy, but you've now turned to the dark side. However, somewhere, deep inside you, there may be that ember of hope that you'll return to the good side again. P:)
seeyuzz
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Greatest river quote - EVER 
HAHAH!
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Thu, 02 December 2004 09:19
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Call it sacralige but I think that thing is dying for some form of v8  it looks very angry...
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Thu, 02 December 2004 09:37
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| cytribe wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 20:19 |
Call it sacralige but I think that thing is dying for some form of v8 it looks very angry...
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Yanno, although I'm all for keeping these things original - being so rare and all, I kinda agree with you on this.
This poor old thing would be a bitch to get back to full JDM original specs. So, I'd give it the works with some mods. Billet grille, nice V8, and spec it out to the max. If possible I'd try to keep the interior pretty much original (depending upon what condition it is), but yeah, it looks angry now and I'd make it absolutely freaking livid!
It'd be nice to have and make a nice partner to the original RA25 I've got. Man, wouldn't they look sweet sitting together in my garage!
seeyuzz
river
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Thu, 02 December 2004 14:05
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/me whispers to river...
1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE
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Thu, 02 December 2004 14:25
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| river wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 21:00 |
Hi,
The 1973 to mid/late 1974 versions had the running script "Celica" badge on the side and no badging with "5 Speed" or "EFI" on the rear like this one does. Also, the mid/late 1974 models had the side "Celica" badge in block script.
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Wow, i wish i had your knowledge on 70s Toyota's River!
So all RA28's had the "5 speed" badge?
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Thu, 02 December 2004 15:32
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| river wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 06:39 |
Hi,
| Aussie wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 01:24 |
what does that say for me (i own a sil80, but used to have an ra28 and still love em)
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It makes you sorta like Darth Vader. You were once a good guy, but you've now turned to the dark side. However, somewhere, deep inside you, there may be that ember of hope that you'll return to the good side again. P:)
seeyuzz
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh well said... so does that mean my first son will chop off my mechanical hand and my daughter will be hidden from me :S ahhh good ole star wars nerds ey... well... i dont mind taking that title. after all... the heart of the 'new me' could sometime in the near future reflect the heart and soul of 'my past'... if you know what i mean should piss off the 'empire' pretty bad too hehehehehehehe 
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Thu, 02 December 2004 20:46
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Hi,
| M.W.P. wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 01:25 |
Wow, i wish i had your knowledge on 70s Toyota's River!
So all RA28's had the "5 speed" badge?
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No, I only know about the TA27/RA25 series. Having owned an RA25 for 22years, and them being so rare (outside Japan) I have had to find out all this stuff for myself and to keep the old girl running and looking nice.
I don't know much about the RA28 or TA22 or RA23. I know even less about the Coronas, Corollas or Crowns.
So, each time I see something about the TA27/RA25 I check it out and try and clarify any ommisions or whatever.
I couldn't honestly tell you about the RA28 badging or production mods/changes during its short, but wonderful production life.
seeyuzz
river
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Thu, 02 December 2004 20:48
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| Aussie wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 02:32 |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh well said... so does that mean my first son will chop off my mechanical hand and my daughter will be hidden from me :S ahhh good ole star wars nerds ey... well... i dont mind taking that title. after all... the heart of the 'new me' could sometime in the near future reflect the heart and soul of 'my past'... if you know what i mean should piss off the 'empire' pretty bad too hehehehehehehe
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hehehehe... Just keep the Nissan Stormtroopers away from Toymods.
seeyuzz
river
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Thu, 02 December 2004 21:03
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| M.W.P. wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 01:25 |
| river wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 21:00 |
Hi,
The 1973 to mid/late 1974 versions had the running script "Celica" badge on the side and no badging with "5 Speed" or "EFI" on the rear like this one does. Also, the mid/late 1974 models had the side "Celica" badge in block script.
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Wow, i wish i had your knowledge on 70s Toyota's River!
So all RA28's had the "5 speed" badge?
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All manual RA28 au delivered Celica's had the 5 speed badge in the same location.
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Fri, 03 December 2004 08:49
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going by the pic iwould have thought it was a RA25 look at the raditor top water out let and it has 18rg leads as well but no 18rb motor in it so its a ST with 18RB twin su carby model
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Fri, 03 December 2004 08:56
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going by the pic iwould have thought it was a RA25 look at the raditor top water out let and it has 18rg leads as well but no 18rb motor in it so its a ST with 18RB twin su carby model and considering i owned 2 ta22 japanese domestic 1 GT coupe and 1 GTV coupe both had ok monitors and factory air and p/windows and 220 klm speedos and european lights and that nasty speedo chime at 100 clicks except the gtv had the oil temp guage in the frt consule under the air con switch ,but out of the cars i have owned the TE27 levin was the best all round grunter at 850 kilos the RA45 is weighing in at 980 kilos but it has heaps more grunt and has a top speed of 220 kays at 8100 rpm down the island straight and that is with a speed sensor not by speedo and is very accurate
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Fri, 03 December 2004 09:11
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i dont care if its not original... its fucking HORN!
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Fri, 03 December 2004 10:14
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Hi,
You mean 18RG, not 18RB don't you? I've never heard of an 18RB engine, and I would assume it to be a SOHC. This one definately is a twin-cam engine.
The radiator looks fairly new compared to the rest of the engine bay and maybe a recent replacement.
The spark-plug leads should be routed over the top of the engine at the front, through a small plastic thing to hold the leads. Also there should be another lead retainer on the front of the engine. The spark plug leads are all over the place in this one. I'm also a bit confused by the feul filter looking thing near the radiator. That's not normal placement for an 18RG - well, not on these models anyway. The 18R-G water thermostat housing is just above the dizzy (driver side), but in the 2T-G it's at the front of the engine, on the passenger side.
Assuming it's a TA27... the following models and engines are as follows...
TA27-K, TA27-M and TA27-H had the 2T engine - these are the LT versions.
TA27-MZ and TA27-MZR had the 2T-B and 2T-BR engines respectively and are the ST variant
TA27-MQ and TA27-MQR had the 2T-G and 2TG-R engines, respectively. This is the GT variant.
If it's an RA25....
RA25-K, RA25-M and RA25-H had the 18R engine. This is the LT variant.
RA25-ME had the 18R-E (EFI) engine. This is the ST variant, but I say that with some reservation. I'll need to do some more checking out on this.
RA25-MQ and RA25-MQR had the 18R-G and 18R-GR engines, respectively. These are the GT versions.
-K means 4speed manual, -M means 5speed manual, -H means 3speed automatic. So, a TA27-M is a 2T engine with 5speed box.
The TA27-MZ, -MZR, -MQ and -MQR had a 5speed box. The gear ratios and diff ratios are the same across these models.
The RA25-ME, -MQ and -MQR had 5speed boxes also. However the gear and diff ratios on the -ME are different from those of the -MQ and -MQR. The -MQ and -MQR had the same gear and diff ratios.
I'd hazard a guess that this is a late build (ie mid/late 1974 to 1975) TA27-MZ (or TA27-MZR) which has had the 2T-B (or 2T-BR) engine replaced with a 2T-G engine.
seeyuzz
river
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Fri, 03 December 2004 10:28
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Hi,
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 01:05 |
/me whispers to river...
1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE
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What's that buzzing in my ear!
Yeah, I s'pose you could fit a 1GGTE in there, but it's gonna take a lot of work 'cos the engine bay on the TA27/RA25 series is shorter than the later RA23/28 series and you'll have to move the radiator forward or the firewall back or do some other fancy work. They have the same engine bay dimensions as the TA22. They also have the same underpinnings (steering, suspension, etc) as the TA22 series.
Simplest thing to do would be throw in a turb'd 18RG.
Assuming it's a TA27-MZ (or TA27-MZR) it weighs 975kg, which is pretty light and would go like the clappers with a worked 18RG in it. The heaviest model is the RA25-MQ (or RA25-MQR) with the 18R-G (or 18R-GR) engine, and they weigh 1050kg.
2T = 100hp
2T-B = 105hp
2T-BR = 100hp
2T-G = 115hp
2T-GR = 110hp
18R = 110hp
18R-G = 145hp
18R-GR = 140hp
seeyuzz
river
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Sat, 04 December 2004 17:48
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| THE WITZL wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 19:41 |
i dont care if its not original... its fucking HORN!
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my sentiments exactly
btw river... how do u rekkon a 3sgte would go in an s13?
would be well funny though "so is that 180 the 1.8 or 2 litre turbo.."
"yeah its 2L... nothing special"
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Sat, 04 December 2004 22:54
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Hi,
S13? That's a Nissan thing, isn't it?
Dunno much about Nissan, except IMHO the best looking cars they ever built were the 240Z (260Z is okay, but I prefer the 240Z) and the 180B-SSS.
Does Nissan still make cars?
seeyuzz
river
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:31
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| river wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 21:28 |
Hi,
| MR 1GGTE wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 01:05 |
/me whispers to river...
1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE, 1GGTE
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What's that buzzing in my ear!
Yeah, I s'pose you could fit a 1GGTE in there, but it's gonna take a lot of work 'cos the engine bay on the TA27/RA25 series is shorter than the later RA23/28 series
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I thought the 25 had roughly the same engine bay size as a 28, only shorter behind the wheel and longer in front of it. I think the overall bonet length is roughly the same. Toyota streached the engine bay in these and the 23/28 to accomodate the larger 18R engine.
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:36
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Ohh poop.
I was getting all excited about this celica and it looks like it's no longer up for auction. Anyone manage to save some pics of it. Wanna email them to me????
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:59
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B designation = twin side draughts (think)
there's another for twin down draughts though it could be B and I dont know the side draught letter
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Sun, 05 December 2004 20:56
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| CelicaRA45 wrote on Fri, 03 December 2004 19:56 |
hard-to-read crap
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ever heard of full stops at the end of sentences?
how about paragraphs?
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Mon, 06 December 2004 08:40
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gold28, pm me your email address and i'll send them through to you.
cheers
Matt
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Mon, 06 December 2004 20:34
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Wed, 08 December 2004 10:21
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Hi,
| gold28 wrote on Sun, 05 December 2004 21:31 |
I thought the 25 had roughly the same engine bay size as a 28, only shorter behind the wheel and longer in front of it. I think the overall bonet length is roughly the same. Toyota streached the engine bay in these and the 23/28 to accomodate the larger 18R engine.
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I don't think the 25 has the same internal engine bay length as the 23/28 series. It's the size of the 22. However, next meeting we'll park your 28 next to the 25 and do a compare. Also, it'll be interesting to see other differences between them and I've never parked beside a 28 before. And, I bet you never parked beside a 25 also!
Any TA22 dudes out here that can verify that fitting a 1G into their car is more than a simple job?
seeyuzz
river
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Wed, 08 December 2004 20:31
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Hi,
Yes, I remember that thread.
So, Gold28, it is do-able, but a lot of work. So I guess you could go the whole hog and do a massive re-engineering to this angry car and give it a 1G engine, or go the turb'd 18RG - which, would probably be easier.
seeyuzz
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