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3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Thu, 02 December 2004 07:08
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Hi guys, just wanting to know whats involved in converting my st-162 celica from 3SFE to 3SGE. Is it a hard job, and how much $ would I need to complete it?
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November 2002
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Thu, 02 December 2004 07:12
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Easy job and if you are handy with the spanners, it will cost you the price of the engine only.
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Melb East
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April 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Thu, 02 December 2004 07:16
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and how much would a good reco motor cost, i believe my dad has a JDM in his celica, and it goes hard as, I am so jealous...
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November 2002
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Thu, 02 December 2004 07:24
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I'm on the far side of the country from you to give you meaningful prices but my guess would be anything from $1000 to $2500 for a recon motor and up to $1500 for a second hand used import motor.
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Mon, 06 December 2004 03:34
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i dont think its worth the worries though... if ur just goin 3sfe to 3sge..
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Mon, 06 December 2004 03:54
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well it's an almost 20kw improvement! and if you get a later model 3sge even more
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Shepparton (Vic)
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May 2002
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Tue, 07 December 2004 01:50
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I can supply a ST182/183 1/2 cut with gen 2 3sge, all electrics, panels, gearbox ,driveshafts etc for $2000 + freight. It would be a great conversion for an st162
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Tue, 14 December 2004 04:16
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but 20kw for all that hassel
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Tue, 14 December 2004 05:00
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Or if you like how about a ST165 GT4 1/2 cut with a turbo 3SGTE for $2300+ freight
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Melb East
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April 2004
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sat, 19 February 2005 09:05
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it cost me 7500
gen 2 3sgte, sv21camry gearbox and starter , new engine mounts (you dont need new ones), 500hp fuel pump , front mount and piping , ems engine management, tuning, 3inch double dump exhaust, new clutch. i think thats most the expensive things but all the little things do add up .. oil, filters, wiring, boost guage, mod plate etc etc etc i did all the mechanical side of things.
u can do it alot cheaper or alot more expensive depends on your budget really. i think u COULD get away with probably 3-4 k if you knew how to do it or knew someone who could rewire an ecu and fit the engine
you can pick up a gen 2 3sgte front cut for 2000 in bribane
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Melb East
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sat, 19 February 2005 10:20
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nah not game to take it on a track lol.. but its got enuff power to run good times if it had traction  ... insurance is no prblem with just car insurance im only on my p's and it insurance dont go up cauz to them its just a modification
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Wollongong, NSW
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January 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sat, 19 February 2005 12:13
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The sv21 gearbox can handle the 3sgte's horsepower? How interesting...
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Melbourne, Victoria
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sat, 19 February 2005 13:46
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$7500...that sounds pretty expensive...? If you sold the car and got a GT-4 you would've had left over too...right...? hmm...I was thinking about doing this too...but now...after hearing that...wow...ha ha... was that done at a shop and all...? Did you buy the half cut and do it like that...? Does it generally cost that much...? I thought...3k - 4k or less...? Hmm...yeah..I'd like to know...so i know what to do and not to do... Gen 2 3S-GE...? Was it because it came from a mid-engined mr2? does a lot have to be done for that...anyway..I guess you've gotten to where I want to be...so any advice would be appreciated...thanks.
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 04:43
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7500 yer it aint cheap but, in the long run i think it will be worth it ive replaced most parts that were worn or will be worn shortly due to the extra strain from the engine upgrade, and yer 7500 is not cheap but its not a standard conversion either, if i sold it yer i could probably buy a 165 gt4, but the conversion celica should beat the 165 gt4 hands down, due to 4wd and my engine being a 185 3sgte, but depends what you want handling etc etc or speed and no traction ..
the ecu was wired and tuned at a shop and the exhaust was also dont at a shop, but everything else was done by me.
i didnt buy a half cut as the only thing i would use would be the engine, so i chose to buy just a 3sgte out of a 185 gt4.
for the same mods as what i have, i think 7500 is about the price u should expect to pay doing little bits and pieces your self, youll always find people doing it cheaper and people doing it more expensive, but then different things are done to the car.
and yes the v6 sv21 camry gearbox is taking the power so far. and im giving it hell. but other options are mr2 gearboxs, your standard celica box but they tend to break syncros. you can use a gt4 box and modify its but not worth it in my eyes(others probably have different ideas)
dunno if ive covered everything ne more qiuestions id be happy to help
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brisbane
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 10:36
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Is it an auto box??
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Melbourne, Victoria
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 10:42
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oh! I thought you were talking $7500 for a 3S-GE conversion...not a 3S-GTE...fair enough...yeah actually...I've heard they cost quite a bit just coz of all the little bits involved...but I guess I'm more interested in a 3S-GE swap too...I just assumed your's was coz that was the title... but anyway...thanks for the info..
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 10:51
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no its 5 speed manual. so i have no idea now what it is or maybe it is juts the 2.2 or watever was in the camrys but yer the tag and the guy at the wreckers told me it was v6. either way its holding up to alot more power than what it was built for
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January 2005
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 11:21
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Well..theres no V6 5 speed here in Aus..unless you got an E52..which is the V6 box ONLY in the US..but i highly doubt someone imported one of them..as the E153 V6 box from the MCV10+ Camry's are much stronger and will bolt up no probs.
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Melbourne
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Sun, 20 February 2005 14:26
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FYI kids.... E153 is the code for the 5 speed in the MR2 turbo from 89 till probably 97 ish..... aparently they changed code after 97 or 98 and were even stronger.
so yes this box is fine for the 3sgte... however i'd say the ratios in it would be different than in the E153 in the mr2 turbo.... probably doesn't matter much though
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January 2005
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Mon, 21 February 2005 05:04
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fair enough but gearbox selection is not really an important part unless your going for huge amount of power and drive it real hard. i know a few people using the stock celica box and they seem to be holding up but yeah they will break after a while but there cheap to replace, i was speaking to someone who uses a 2000 model camry altima box? i think thats wat there called and has alot of power and its held up for over a year
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Fairfield (Sydney)
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September 2005
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Fri, 25 November 2005 05:58
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Yea hey, I'v got a SV21 1989 Camry that comes with a 3SFE, since it's gonna die soon, i was thinking of adding a 3SGE or something with abbit more grunt
BTW is it possible to have a 3SGE in auto? coz i'm still on my red P plates n can't drive a 5 speed
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Fri, 25 November 2005 06:10
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lol bit old but yes the 3sge will bolt in and yr auto box will bolt onto the 3sge, youlll need the 3sge ecu etc i dont know if its worth the money if you can do it yourself and get things cheap go for it if you have to pay i wouldnt bother theres not a great deal of performance to be gained
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Fairfield (Sydney)
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September 2005
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Re: 3SFE to 3SGE conversion
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Fri, 25 November 2005 08:54
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thanx for da tip, but how much would it cost for the 3SGE, and how much would it cost for a 3SFE because i'm gonna buy an engine anyway whether its a 3SFE or a 3SGE.
if you don't recomend a 3SGE then what engine DO you recomend keeping in mind the petrol prices these days and that it would HAVE to fit onto an auto box?
thnx again
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