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geelong
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Ipswich
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Fri, 03 December 2004 06:38
 
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I think the gt4 had the 3sgte, 2l turbo.
The 3tgte is a 1.8l twin spark, turbo.
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Location:
geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Fri, 03 December 2004 06:43
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was what i thought...
badging on them was half taken off and the guy at the wreckers swore to me they were 3t's and not 3s's...
so i thought i'd ask the question...
well then... no good to me, so to let you all know they are going for $400ea
one was involved in a car fire and has singed the outside, but still has turbo on it. they never started it since as they burnt the wiring loom
the other has no turbo attached, but they say all that's wrong with it was that is leaked some oil.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
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December 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Fri, 03 December 2004 06:54
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If he can't tell the difference between a T and S sreies motor, avoid dealing with that wrecker! Even if he's not a "Toyota" wrecker, he'd be foolish not to work out himself what the motor was! Easy reference point is that 3TGTE's have the words "Twin Cam, Turbo" cast into the rocker cover, 3SGTE's don't.
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Location:
geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Fri, 03 December 2004 07:03
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yeah, was what i thought but he insisted otherwise and as i'm new to the world of engine's, i assumed he knew something i didn't.
which is why i asked you guys... i didn't think 3t's were made in gt4's and the whole 4wd aspect of it made me think otherwise also.
out of curiosity, can the 3sgte's fit into a ta22? and can it take use of the front wheel drive to be a 4x4?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth, Western Australia
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Fri, 03 December 2004 07:22
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Yes and Yes - is that your wallet bulging in your pockets, or are you just happy to see me?!!!
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Location:
geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Sat, 04 December 2004 08:36
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Yes and yes... 
hmm... i like the sounds of the 4x4 part...
is there any info on how it's done,
how much it costs to do
and how to hook up the front wheel drive to it..etc, etc...?
do u think it's worth doing, cos it's too hard to come accross 3tgte's and the only one i have come accross not only needs all new piston's, but has been totally thrashed and has been sitting in the boot of a car for quite some time now.
so i've been considering looking towards newer engine's...
4agze sounds okay.
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Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Sat, 04 December 2004 08:52
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mate to turn a ta22 to 4x4 would be a fortune to do!!! the cross members need to be changed, steering, controls arms, suspension... it would need to be raised as the chasis rails get in the way... OH MY GOD  the requirements are almost endless...
BUT it is do able i guess if your very rich
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geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers
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Sat, 04 December 2004 08:55
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okay....
sooo, i guess i'll be skipping that idea, huh... 
so, about the 4agze... what are they worth to put in these days
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers | correction: 2x3sgte's |
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Sat, 04 December 2004 12:09
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the easiest conversion would be an T series motor as it is almost drop in... but any rear wheel drive motor can go in with time and thought...
the problem with the TA22s is that they are i believe 6" shorter than the TA23 onwards so with the 3sgte, 1ggte etc they are quite long for the engine bay... now they do fit in and no issues there but the problem lies with the radiator. they would need to be mounted in front of the radiator support rather than behind like stock. now thats not really an issue untill you come to put a front mount IC as there is nowhere for it to go, the oil cooler if used isnt an issue as they are relatively small and can be modified to fit so the real issue would be IC... you could possibly look into a long thin radiator say like the camry ones (thats been recommended to me a few times) but there is the issue that it would cover the headlights wiring but you can work around that... if you considered the camry radiator then the front mount can come back into the picture but there you would need to look at what type of fan you will use for the radiator cooling... at the end of the day it all comes down to the clearence distance between motor and shell and what you can fit in the clearence
with the IC you could go top mount like WRXs but im not sure of what the clearence would be between engine cover and bonnet... as for the 4agze/gte, it is easy as all that is required are engine mount fabrication and the rest is pretty much like any other conversion
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Location:
geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers | correction: 2x3sgte's |
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Sat, 04 December 2004 23:18
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thanks for the info dude, much appreciated...
i'll keep looking for 3tgte's of course,
but i think as a backup i'll keep an eye out for the 4agze's
was also wondering;
how much do each of these engines cost?
what sort of power does each produce?
just to get a comparison between the two.
and what cars are the 4agze's come out of?
i heard they are from mr2's?
also...
spoke to the wreckers with the engines, to correct him on his stuff up... i managed to get him down to $350 on each of his engines as i figure there will be some toymodders who are interested in the 3sgte's
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Sydney
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June 2004
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers | correction: 2x3sgte's |
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Sat, 04 December 2004 23:51
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not sure bout 4agze but for the 3TGTE it is:-
- 160 HP at the fly, which is 120KW at the fly which is anywhere between 90-95Kw at the wheels
- the turbo is a CT20 with stock 7psi boost, it maxs at bout 12psi and can take i would say 9psi max to keep it going for a long time (not sure on power at 9psi but it wouldnt be a big difference)
- internals (cranks and rods) are forged from factory and can take a beating without needing to be changed
- the stock pistons are 85mm i believe (or 86mm but im sure 85)
- it is a 1770 engine (1.8ltr), twin spark (but im sure you knew that )
- not too sure on head details, but they are good for for whatever power you want to pt through it... im gonna try and get 200+Kw at the wheels with only cam mods in respect to the head
- plenunm and intake is quite small and the other problem that the entry is mid plenum (rather than forward facing like the 2TG efi plenum) which isnt really efficient
not sure what else i could say bout the motor other than that... now as for the 4agze hopefully someone else could enlighten you there
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers | correction: 2x3sgte's |
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Sun, 05 December 2004 10:38
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4agze's came in a few different forms.
The 4agze that came in the aw11 mr2 ran off an afm had 107kw with 8.0:1 comp you can also run up to 14 psi of boost on the standard ecu.
The other 4agze's came out of jap spec corollas.
i think they have roughly 117 kw and they have 8.9:1 comp. the ecu is only mappped to 12psi on these and they are map sensored.
The mr2 gze has ceramic coated forged pistons and very stong rods.
The later model gze's had oil squirters to keep the pistons cool.
They are extremly strong in standard form the fastest mr2 in australia was running a gt30 turbo and made 247rwkw on completley standard internals.
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Location:
geelong
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September 2002
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Re: found 2x3tgte's at a wreckers | correction: 2x3sgte's |
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Sun, 05 December 2004 13:28
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good info guys,
i've been doing some research on them both and found out similar information.
does anyone know how much the 4agze goes for?
and which one's that applies too... e.g. map version or whichever
thanks
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