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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Fri, 10 December 2004 17:06 |
Would a ct26 support this sort of power or would it need to be upgraded? How much would i be looking at to upgrade it to this potential?
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I think it would need to be highflowed for that amount of power.
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intercooler wise - do i need a huge one to flow around this power or will an off-the-shelf item do the job??
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With the price of aftermarket ones these days i don't think it is worth getting a second hand one.
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7mge injectors...are they big enough for 350ish? or will i need bigger ones?
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I don't know what size they are? 350hp you should have 6 350cc injectors or thereabouts. I didn't think the 7m-ge's were that big though if the 1g-gte only has 245cc ones.
That is all i can help with 
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 07:30
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yeah i thought the 7mge ones were about 300 
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 07:48
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how about intake manifold?
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 09:34
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id be using 7mgte injecters as there is a big difference between them and thats why the turbos have bigger ones...Id just chuck the gear on then wind it up...or better yet just by a 7mgte and shove it in.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 10:40
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| people100 wrote on Fri, 10 December 2004 19:34 |
id be using 7mgte injecters as there is a big difference between them and thats why the turbos have bigger ones...Id just chuck the gear on then wind it up...or better yet just by a 7mgte and shove it in.
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yeah thatd be ideal if i hadnt've rebuilt the motor 13000km ago...
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 12:34
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sell it...i doubt its gonna matter if you have not rebuilt it to turbo specs...unless the 7mge and 7mgte are the same bottum ends which i doubt
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 12:38
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bottom ends are identical bar oil squirters for the pistons (thats fixable with a bigger oil cooler and if needed a better oil pump)
And the pistons themselves..being the NA has higher comp ones.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Fri, 10 December 2004 13:30
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A word of warning!
What ever you think it is going to cost you to force feed a GE, triple it and add some.
Been there and still doing it.
Marty
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sat, 11 December 2004 07:51
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what are you converting? A 7m?
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sat, 11 December 2004 12:46
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u don't have to *guess* at anything a boosted 7m can do in any form - just hit up the u.s. mk3 supra forums and swipe a combination. Everything up to 10sec full weight airconditioned 5speed daily drivers!
7mGE works excellent under boost also. Conversion is dirt cheap in the u.s. as u can get a mani/ct26/440s at throw-away prices... gte pistons too if u wnat them. A remarkable underrated powerplant.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 04:50
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*cough* finish one project at a time? 
350hp -> ~260kw, is that what sort of power you are chasing at the engine or wheels btw?
I don't think you will be able to get that power (engine) with a stock ct26, 7mgtes are only 240hp stock. I'm not sure tho!
7mge injectors are 295cc, the rule of thumb apparently is hp=cc/5, so each injector at max can supply 59hp, so total with the stock injectors you would max out at 354hp.... close...
ECU will be something you'll have to think about, you'll need to change the ignition timing (regraph the dizzy is an option), or maybe look at adapting the DLI (distributor less ignition) off a 7mgte? Also changing fueling....will need a rising rate fuel pressure regulator....Maybe look at running the complete 7mgte ECU setup (suspect wiring nightmare)? Or look at aftermarket options.... $$$$$$$$
Seems like a lot of work, and looks like it will almost require a full 7mgte in parts to make it happen as what I see as 'easily' (I use the term lightly)
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 06:22
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Intake manifold ports are rather large and should quite easily cope with 350rwhp.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 07:41
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i was referring to 350bhp...im not after huge numbers...thats what the ma61 is for
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 19:47
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here, laugh at this... found it in under 60 seconds.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s= 487362b0f8b2b2475469c11fb7ccce4e&threadid=2029 26&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
If those puerto ricans can get daily driven 3tc/w58 corollas into the 10s, what makes you think a 7m is such a challenge ? Wake up.
..and here, found in 11sec. At least 4 other 10sec dailys mentioned
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s= 487362b0f8b2b2475469c11fb7ccce4e&threadid=2449 58
why don't you tip in that thread and laugh at 'em... I don't see what's so amusing, maybe they will.
I've witnessed a mk3 and a mk2 (both 7M/5speed street cars) bust off 10sec ETs within 3 runs of each other at an event. One sprayed tho. Did I record it or ask for a copy of their timeslip for you ? No
A buddy of mine daily driven mk3 runs 11.8 boosting a bone stock 7mGE! He did retorque the stock headbolts. One would sound like a fool teeling him or those fast 3tc boys, "ooohh wait, you need squirters".
I've seen 1 and 2jz spin rod bearings. Do they suck ? Most OLD turbo motors suffer from this. Freshen it.
If you can't get past a 7m head gasket, you're too stupid to be modifying cars.
Don't you see that folks like you who laugh at the 7, is where the underating comes from ?
Like I said before, hit up the supra forums. There are lots of stock ct26 dynos and track times.
Here is a $450 upgraded ct putting 469 ft-lbs tq to the ground.
http://www.jblmk3.com/id97.htm
Its a common upgrade milestone to snack on until you're ready to 'play hard'
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Sun, 12 December 2004 22:19
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Fri, 10 December 2004 23:38 |
bottom ends are identical bar oil squirters for the pistons (thats fixable with a bigger oil cooler and if needed a better oil pump)
And the pistons themselves..being the NA has higher comp ones.
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Be cautious with the higher compression
Most turbo cars run a lower compression for a reason... It avoids pinging and over stressing the blocks...
I'd be mostly worried about pinging the motor then anything though.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 00:45
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Ummm, unless its mentioned somewhere else on the forums, all those cars above are 7MGTE's, not 7MGE-T's.
BIG difference.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 13:52
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christ people arent we getting a little off topic?
ALL i want to know is the quickest way to get 350 BREAK HORSE POWER..i think ive mentioned that 4 times now.
I was sure a ct26 could slap that out, and the stock motor would be fine with no major stress...
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 15:12
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>>"Stripped drag Corolla ~ 700kg."
nice try gianttomato. Those things run 7s and 8s, not 10s.
Read what I said... "daily driven street turbo rollas". They weigh considerably more than a u.s. spec stock te72 or ae86.... dunno where you're getting 700kg from
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Mon, 13 December 2004 17:42
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Yep, there's a plethora of daily driven 7 second Corollas. I see them in my neck of the woods everyday, just like those daily driven fully loaded 10 second MA70s.
Let me guess, you haven't done physics yet at high school?
The biggest worry about USA invading other countries is that they are spreading stupidity, not democracy.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:04
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>>"Stripped drag Corolla ~ 700kg."
They run 7/8s. STRIP. DRAG. Who said anything about street driven ? You're retarded to even suggest that.
If you don't think 10sec full wt daily driven 3tc corollas or 7m mk3s exist... Who cares. Then stick to the "woods"... a perfect breeding ground for close-minded fools. Must suk to be u.
>>"Let me guess" ...well, if u want to... you're no good at it.
On the usa comment...after reading some of your posts, why would I expect any better from you ?
sorry guys
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 07:40
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| quest wrote on Tue, 14 December 2004 18:04 |
>>"Stripped drag Corolla ~ 700kg."
They run 7/8s. STRIP. DRAG. Who said anything about street driven ?
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It would appear you did, a couple posts up. Here, let me refresh those few neurons you have that somehow pass for a brain.
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Read what I said... "daily driven street turbo rollas".
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Please fuck off from whence you came.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 11:03
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Jeeez these Mk3 owners still get worked up so easily, always good to see.
Blame Canada.
V8_MA61
Get a 55mm comp wheel and have the backside cropped and you'll make good numbers with the right tuning.
A stock GTE will be fine once the obvious is sorted however a GE has the issue of the higher compression to worry about, or more so limit the amount of boost you can run on pump fuel.
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 13:06
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Maybe if I duck down the shop and grab me a slab of red tarax, I, too, can join in later?
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 13:33
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just shut up.. stop thinking off track and finish the ma61, this topic should be deleted for that very reason!
I reckon your engine block will rust away before you finish the conversion...
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Tue, 14 December 2004 15:34
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>>"It would appear you did, a couple posts up. Here, let me refresh"
No fool. This is EXACTLY what I posted, don't try to twist it;
"If those puerto ricans can get DAILY DRIVEN 3tc/w58 COROLLAS INTO THE 10s, what makes you think a 7m is such a challenge ?"
Then some asshole responded, making this stupid pointless comparison;
>>"Stripped drag Corolla ~ 700kg.
Fully loaded MA70 ~ 1600kg."
"Stripped drag rolla" IS NOT A "daily driven 3tc/w58 corolla"
Worlds apart in function and performance
>>"Please fuck off from whence you came"
classic! do you write your own material ? Good luck on your hi school physics exams... still won't do a dumb fvkr like you any good tho
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 01:38
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| quest wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 02:34 |
Good luck on your hi school physics exams... still won't do a dumb fvkr like you any good tho
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*cough* considering he's a doctor, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he must have done pretty well on his high school physics exam  (on that note are you old enough to have done your high school exam yet ).
hehe, a suggestion? don't flame the regulars
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
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Wed, 15 December 2004 02:12
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| wilbo666 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 12:38 |
| quest wrote on Wed, 15 December 2004 02:34 |
Good luck on your hi school physics exams... still won't do a dumb fvkr like you any good tho
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*cough* considering he's a doctor, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess he must have done pretty well on his high school physics exam (on that note are you old enough to have done your high school exam yet ).
hehe, a suggestion? don't flame the regulars
Cheers
Wilbo
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or, if you do.. call them a girl or something
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7mgte stock manifold...can it make power?
