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3SGTE into KE25?
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Mon, 20 December 2004 20:17
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hi, has anyone done the 3SGTE into a Ke25 converion?
i realy like this engine, very torquey and powerfull
even in standard trim. which gearbox, diff to take 300 flywheel
horses.
would it be able to be registered in vic.
i know this is not a common conversion like the 4age or 13b etc..
but its the one i would like to try.
any help would be greatly apreciated.
steve. 
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I Supported Toymods
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Sydney
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December 2002
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 04:48
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Re: 3SGTE into a KE25
I doubt this would be legal without going to the point of engineering your car with a custom chassis.
I'm pretty sure 13B's aren't legal in this sort of car either.
It would be an interesting yet extremely difficult conversion to undertake... you might be better off putting in a 3TGTE or 4AGZE in.
3T and 4A conversions are quite common in this sort of car and I'm sure you'll find a reasonable amount of information on the forums if you search hard enough.
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Location:
geelong
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September 2003
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 05:04
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yeah, seen those conversions on here, but its the 3sgte that i want, fantastic low end torque and an easy 150 rwkw. with boost mods. nowhere near as much stuffing around as a 4agte, its their from the factory.
steve.
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 11:32
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hey dude, just got off the phone to ya  (the guy with the ke25) i reckon go the 4agte
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 12:22
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13B, not legal, too big.
3SGTE? not legal, too big (probably)
a KE10 is 720kg and can put a 1.7L turbo, KE20 is what? 750? 770?
you could maybe put in a 1.9L turbo, btu thats the limit.
there are 3SGE's in KE2x and KE3X, but the motors are tall, heavier than 4A, and you will not need or use the power... even a 4A is nearly overpowering th thing...
remember that a KE2x is about 3/4 the weight of an AE86....
no point having 300hp, when you will probably only get about 150 or so to the ground 
Cya, Stewart
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geelong
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September 2003
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 16:52
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yeah, im into that sort of thing, lack of traction and such
steve.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 23:43
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thats just insane!!!!!
i've seen that once before with a similar weight car and an SR20 turbo... it must be hairy and scary!!!!!
if you have about 300Nm (at flywheel) thats about the same torque to weight as a "Sports Sedans", which is just ridiculous. the 3S should do that with under a Bar of boost!!.
i'd love to see you do the 3SGTE also, but you may have to lighten your right foot a little.. heck even a stock one would be monstrous!!
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 00:05
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if you have about 300Nm (at flywheel) thats about the same torque to weight as a "Sports Sedans", which is just ridiculous. the 3S should do that with under a Bar of boost!!.
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I will try and dig up a dyno sheet with torque plotted on it, most of the ones I have have show air:fuel plotted instead. Full boost comes on very early so it pulls nice and hard from down low in the rpm range.
I am keen to throw it on the dyno in the New Year and see what some of my minor adjustments have netted me  might throw it on the dyno at summernats for a look-see (no chance in hell of getting a place but it's worth a run to get a nice pic of your car and a laminated dyno sheet  ).
You can get into some trouble and wet weather driving means I flick the switch to low boost and take it nice and easy.
Note: my brother has nearly completed his 4AGTE corolla and it made quite a few more ponies than mine prior to the rebuild, now it will probably make a few more 
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Location:
geelong
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September 2003
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Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 09:29
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CA's cheap and plentiful ?!?! haah a mate of mine just took finished his ca18det conversion in to his 1200 wagon, took him ages to find a CA, called SA, SYD and vic and all said that CA's are getting hard to come by these days.
but he finally found one at CVAP (forum sponser) with our an ecu, for 1400.
why cant you just be happy with a 4agte?! proven power i feel.
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Location:
geelong
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September 2003
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Wed, 22 December 2004 17:03
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im thinking of about 4 years ago, they were $795 for motor and box and you couldnt go to an engine importers in this country without tripping over at least two of em. steve.
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eastern suburbs, Melb
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April 2003
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Thu, 23 December 2004 04:18
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Steve I have a 3sge sitting in the engine bay of my ke25 and it does fit.
There would be just enough room for a turbo and to run intercooler lines etc. I may turbo it down the track.
It has a W57 sitting behind it. To get it to fit i had to tap the left hand side if the trans tunnel out, but not much. A the shifter from an RA60 will fit out the original hole in the floor.
If I had a digi camera i could send you some pictures or upload them but don't have a qlue how to.
There is a guy in NZ with a 3SGTE in a KE20 but its not the neatest conversion.
As you can guess Id agree with doing this conversion good luck
Damian
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Location:
geelong
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September 2003
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Location:
Castlemaine Vic
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November 2002
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Fri, 24 December 2004 03:30
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if you are after a 3sge, a mate up here has one for sale if need be.
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May 2002
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Re: 3SGTE into KE25?
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Fri, 24 December 2004 05:30
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For the legality of it I think that you should consult an approved engineer in your state. If the 3S GTE is legal, then I would go for that (I have considered this conversion which is why there is a 3S in my garage) - I dont see it being that much harder than the 3TGTE, just more time would be needed to fabricate the water lines, and the conversion gear required (sump, flywheel, starter etc).
As for the CA? I don't see the point - if 1.8L is as big as you are allowed to go, then I would suggest that the 3TGTE (old now and unlikely to get one from the importers) is a go.
ke382tg has a well proven 4AGTE combo (one that needs plenty of respect)and I have the 3TGTE combo well proven too!
As for the cost? Speed costs money. How fast do you wanna go?
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