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ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 12:52
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has anyone done an engine conversion here from the ma61 supra to the 2jzgte engine.
I'm mainly interested in how much it cost you in total to get this installed. I'll be buying a Front Cut later down the line. prob mid next year.
Would somewhere around $5,500 - $6,500 be a good estimate.
includes:
Front Cut
Labour
Exhaust
More Labour
Mod Plates.
Thanks
any help would be appreciated.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 14:42
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check out norbie.net
nuff said
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 14:46
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I don't think there would be a more thorough description than what Norbie has written there.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 20:08
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Hey, I was just wondering am I the only one who thinks that a 2jzgte into an ma61 is a little overkill? Even the japanese touring cars don't need that much power, they use 3sg.
Considering how the 1jz has a 70mm stroke, is half the price and is more than capable of 400-odd hp don't you think this is worth looking into?
I can just see you ending up like Todd/JUDGE that's all.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 23:39
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Uh, are you aware that the 3S-GTE's in the Japanese touring cars crank out something like 700hp? And Todd's TT V8 had over 1000hp? By comparison I'll be happy with around 400hp from my near-stock 2JZ... not what I'd call overkill, but it should be "sufficient". 
As for the engine conversion, if you're paying someone to do it for you it's going to be MUCH more than $6.5k - I'd guesstimate $15k, possibly more. This project is going to cost me around $10k by the time I'm done, and that's doing everything myself. Engine conversions aren't cheap...
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Wed, 16 October 2002 23:45
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6000 probably won't get you a front cut nowadays........so you better rebudget.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 06:36
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dont forget that norbie is NOT changing any of his driveline
(which is a bit of a gamble ) so if you wanted to do it properly, add in a new/strengthend box (getrag is the #1 option) plus custom driveshaft, new diff, new stub axels and cv's 
so add a few more k's to that $ total
i choose not to mention the 5 stub upgrade now 
cheers
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 07:06
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dude... 5.5-6k would barely cover a 4agze conversion!!
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 07:36
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The reason the JGTC cars use a 3SGTE instead of a 2JZGTE is for this, they can run more boost with the 4 cylinders, and end up making the same power as the 2J's. Then its only logical, the 4's are lighter and can be placed further back in the chassis, thats why they use them.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 07:38
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to give you an idea
for my 1jz-gte conversion, no mods except getting the engine and gearbox in, it's going to cost me a little over $7k (at current budget) doing everything myself.
that's budgeting $2500 for the front cut, whereas for a 2jz front cut, you're looking at more like $4000, and even more if you want a 6-speed
norbie was right when he said $15k to pay someone to do it for you
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 09:54
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gianttomato, $6000 for a front cut?
norbie only paid $2900
inflation that high?
Id probebly keep it auto, whether it be a 1j or 2j.
but it seems like mabey only a grand or so difference so in the overall scheme of things a $15000 all up cost for a 1j or $16000 for a ma61 with 2j - I rekon the 2j would make the car heaps more desirable.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 09:57
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$2900 is a good price for an auto front cut for a 2jz... most I've seen are around $4k
all depends on what you want really... I was desperate for a manual setup, so the 2jz was out of the question
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 10:28
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The only and cheapest I have seen an engine (no loom, ECU or box) in the last 3 weeks was 4000. That's across Sydney/Melb. SSS and EKW quoted 10K for auto front cuts but didn't have any. Admittedly neither of these companies are reputed for bargain basement pricing. I am beginning to believe Norbie's was extraordinarily cheap! Whilst I was in Sydney we did the wrecker tour (someone I know is looking for one to put in an IS200) and could only find this one engine in Ichiban. It's a beautiful engine too, must have done hardly any k's.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 10:42
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whats pushing the price up so badly?
Id expect sss to charge that, and ekw usually dont sell halfcuts so that rules them both out.
Id hate to think what theyd want for a manual 1/2 cut.
id be bloody happy with a 1j anyway.
i drove an auto soarer with 1j and that thing moved when you hit 3000rpm. dont know if it was completely stock. these cars weigh over 1500kg, so the same engine in a much lighter car like ma61 would be a great combo.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 11:11
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Admittedly I've never seen a 2JZ front cut as cheap as mine. The guy actually quoted me $2700 and I said SOLD, but he came back a few minutes later and said he'd made a terrible mistake and couldn't let it go for less than $2900... methinks I got it at cost price because he stuffed up. Of course it was still a bargain so I bought it at the higher price!
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 12:23
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hrm.
well, less than a year ago I saw 2jz-gte auto cuts for $4k.
that was from *um* the cheap place in qld ... just about the best prices around.
I would not pay more than $5k for an auto 2jz cut... and even that's stretching it. there comes a point where it's a better option to simply buy a 1jz and mod it past 2jz standards... depending on how far you want to go of course
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 13:00
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well. i wasn't going to go the 1jz because it's a twin turbo. but from what everyone has said seams the cheaper and easier way to go.
What about the 7MGTE though. what are your recommendations on this engine. it's a lot cheaper than the other 2. still practically the same with waht u get... intercooled turbo.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 14:12
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| SupraBOY wrote on Thu, 17 October 2002 23:00 |
well. i wasn't going to go the 1jz because it's a twin turbo.
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what do you think the 2jz is???
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What about the 7MGTE though. what are your recommendations on this engine. it's a lot cheaper than the other 2. still practically the same with waht u get... intercooled turbo.
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completely different class of engine compared to the 2jz. go hard? yes. go home? yes also.
ed
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Thu, 17 October 2002 20:03
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while I'm not going to wade into the 7m debate again, almost everyone would agree the jz engines are much better.
what's wrong with twin turbo btw?
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 09:05
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sorry if i seem DUMB...... i really thought that the 2jz was only a single turbo. now that i know it's a twin turbo... hmmmm.
got a reply back today from a jap importer.. they can get me the 1jz 1/2 cut for $2500 for an auto and $3500 for a manual.
i'm assuming these 1/2 cuts come with a gearbox if they say this. it was also $2000 for a 7mgte 1/2 cut, auto.
2jz was over $8000
i was going to use my 5spd gearbox out of my ma61 supra with the engines. i'm assuming it would only handle the 7m and nothing more. and i spose the auto gearbox isn't that bad with the 1jz.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 09:40
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To use a W58 from your Supra you need a 2JZGE bellhousing for a 1JZGTE or a 2JZGTE, and then its a matter of driving style.
An R154 from a front cut can be "made" to fit Probably a lot of pain.
I personally hate auto's, so I;d be looking at option 1 with a 1JZ, and possibly sourcing a late model W58 too ala Norbie, a bit stronger. If you can stand them, there are manual overrides for them also, still four gears though.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 09:43
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yep
you're left with 2 choices now.
you do a norbie, and hope the w58 (ma61 5 speed) holds out
or you do a me, and "persuade" the r154 (1jz-gte 5-speed) to fit in the w58 transmission tunnel
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 12:11
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| draven wrote on Fri, 18 October 2002 19:43 |
yep
you're left with 2 choices now.
you do a norbie, and hope the w58 (ma61 5 speed) holds out
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Actually I'm not using the MA61 5-speed, I'm using a JZA80 5-speed which is a bit stronger. Still not as strong as the R154 though.
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or you do a me, and "persuade" the r154 (1jz-gte 5-speed) to fit in the w58 transmission tunnel
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This is the preferred option if you're going to be rough with your car (eg if you plan to go to a drag strip, ever). I'm going to have to be gentle with my W58, but I'm fairly confident it will hold up OK. The vast majority of drivetrain failures can be attributed to driving style, so a bit of mechanical sympathy can go a long way. 
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 13:28
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i think i'll go with the 1jz. and i'll just stick with what ever gearbox comes with it. i'm sure i'll make it fit.
i'm just not keen on the twin turbo's. especially if something goes wrong. good to brag about though... "i own a twin turbo supra". mwuahhhhhhh.
the wreckers recommended the jz series over the m series but didn't go into detail.
i'll probably get my friend to help me install the thing.. he is preety good at those sorts of things.......
Got a Question though.. (whats new)... Do you actually get the dash with the front cut or not.... and ... will it fit into the ma61.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 13:49
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A front cut typically comes with everything from the rear of the transmission to the front bumper. The dash is usually there but sometimes there are bits missing (eg mine didn't have a stereo or climate control switchgear).
I'm afraid you've got buckley's of fitting a later-model dash into an MA61. Sure it could be done but the effort involved is astronomical. I'm using the instrument panel from my front cut, and even that's hard enough! I pulled enough wiring from under the dash to fill two large boxes, and that doesn't include the 11 (that's right, eleven) electronic control modules that were attached to it. I couldn't even imagine trying to graft that mess into another car.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 14:40
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the 7m vs jz has been done over 1000 times on these forums...
go do a search through the archives for the full blown arguments...worth a read if your tossing up between engines
ed
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 14:52
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actually, from wot i've read on various site. a lot of cuts come undressed
ie. no bonnet, guards, lights, grill, bumper, brakes, and sometimes even suspension.
but, i cant ever recall it saying no dash, so if u plan to graft anything electrical in, it should be possible
plus, in THEORY, one of these cuts SHOULD be cheaper, but hey, when it comes to wreckers, theory just dont exist!
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Fri, 18 October 2002 15:54
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how hard was it to just put the instruments in norbie?
I'm tossing up between that and just grabbing an RA60 dash, which will slot right in.
and while I dont plan on going to a drag strip (well, maybe I wont be able to resist smithfield once or twice to show the 180's what supras are made of), I will do some fairly tough runs along roads like the old pac highway... and while I wont abuse it, it will be driven hard
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Sat, 19 October 2002 01:00
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The wiring is a total bitch, and physically fitting it will involve a custom dashpad... so it's no walk in the park.
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Sat, 19 October 2002 06:43
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so, you reckon bother doing that, or juts put an ra60 dash in?
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Sun, 20 October 2002 12:36
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well, i just finished my 1JZ MA61 conversion. it cost about 5 and a half grand just for the engine stuff not to mention tyres, suspention,brakes , fuel pumps, and any other peripherals. and after a night of driving i can safely say a 1JZ will do, and like norbie im running the JZA80 box and i dont think im going to have any worries with it, (although ive got no 5th due to dodgy shifter swap), i think the R154 is overkill unless you plan to work the nuts off your engine(500hp+) which would be useless on the road as my one barely gets any traction with 300hp
draven, i hope you knw your in for much screwing around with this swap but if you want some help give me ayell and ps do you want to sell me my old 5me back i dont want the RTA to know its in a different car cause then ill have to get my one engineered. 
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Sun, 20 October 2002 12:39
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oh yeah, the only thing not working in my dash atm is the tacho which shoulnt be too much effort to do. the digital dah looks better anyway
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Sun, 20 October 2002 15:00
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well, that depends on how much you're offering for the engine, and wehther or not I have to drive it to cronulla
although if dave manages to get his hands on a JZA70 cut, then I'll be heading down there anyhow.
and I'm still not certain on how to go with the box... but I figure it'll be cheaper to do the r154 than try and source a supra one. I'm going to see what kind of a job it look like once I've got the cut and plled the old tranny out.
e-mail me if you want to ask about the engine
draven@bigpond.net.au
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Re: ma61 Engine Conversion to a 2jz
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Mon, 21 October 2002 12:59
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no worries ill send u some mail then.
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