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Location: victoria
Registered: November 2004
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commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 11:58
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hey, been looking into getting more power out of me 86 for a while now, at the moment it has a stock 4ac in it, i wanted to get a 4age or sr20 put put then i started to get qoutes and it was around $5000 up woulds, i started talking to some mates of my dads, and they said the castlemain hot rod shop make bellhousing kits to attach a commodoer v6 to a celica box, and hopefully im pretty sure thats what a sprinter came out with? then i could pick up a cheap commodore, take out the engine and loom and all the other shit i will need then flog the commodore and try to cover the cost of the engine, so after that i should have a 130kw ae86 with a lot more torque, then later on done the track i can get parts for it dirt cheap and dont have the hassle of trying to get parts from overseas, i can get supercharger kits cheap, and i have my self one budget drifter, with more then enough power.
what are peoples thoughts?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:01
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considered the weight and width of them V6 engines?
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Location: NSW, Sydney
Registered: April 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:01
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don't do it
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Registered: October 2004
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Location: Sydney
Registered: April 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:09
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Somone ban this guy.
Blasphamy aside.. I understand price is an issue but if your going to go to the trouble of puting a V6 in there and have all that extra weight up front, atleast pick a deacent 6!
1GG's arent that expensive are they?
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Location: Melbourne - NthSubs
Registered: January 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:10
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once u drop a v6 or 8 its nolonger a driffter...
turn it into a custom "not so old school" v8 supercharged drag rice
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:13
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a Vp or Vr v6 would haul ass in an AE86...
A 302 windsor would be even better tho
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Registered: October 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:19
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if you do get it, people will picture you as a:
->"common whore", and a dickhead on the road that think he's top shit...
->that likes takumi
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Location: Sydney
Registered: April 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:20
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If your thinking drift car, then definately do not go a 6. Evan with a modded 1ggte, thats like 160kw? VS a 4agte @ 150kw the weight difference is a defining factor for cornering.
I've seen this first hand. I Lined up against Ribbo's 1ggte ae86 in my 4agte and got taken down but as soon as those twisties came up his thing would almost sway into oncoming lanes
Heh ok so its not THAT bad. But really there is a reason why everyone goes down a certain route and thats because its a proven one. Stick to a 4age and if you really want that extra power attain it via turbo. Or if you really want N/A then beams is the way to go. But then again it all comes back to money.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: March 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 12:25
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mmm have you done the math on what your talking about?
sounds like you need to do a bit more research. For starters you have a 4a block so that means you have a few options for a straight bolt in which = less money. Those supercharger kits are for the V6 IN the commodore and are a tight fit in them so I doubt it would fit in a 86 + your looking at the $1800 mark for that. I suggest looking at the 4agze and see what can be done with that.
Thats my 2c worth
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Location: Wollongong / Sydney
Registered: October 2003
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Thu, 30 December 2004 15:59
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If you are going to go to this much trouble. You might as well get a 1uzfe. Ive seen an AE86 on twincam.org with this conversion. So its possible it seems, certainly not an easy conversion id imagine, but either would fitting a holden v6. Not to mention the toyota V8 has a lot more power, alloy block and heads and 6 bolt mains !
surely chicks dig engines that have 6 bolt mains.
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: May 2002
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 21:14
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DRiiFT_King wrote on Thu, 30 December 2004 22:58 | i started talking to some mates of my dads, and they said the castlemain hot rod shop make bellhousing kits to attach a commodoer v6 to a celica box, and hopefully im pretty sure thats what a sprinter came out with?
what are peoples thoughts?
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Wrong the sprinter has a T50 gearbox, the castlemain kit would be for a W50 or supra box.
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Location: sydney
Registered: March 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 21:32
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5000 is cheap for an sr20t
say you buy the v6 for 2000
have u priced a bellhousing kit they are around 1200 bucks
then u need the gbox so that adds another 500
so you are already up to 4000 in parts
the sr20t has more power than the old holden v6 so why would u even think of it
the reason dads mates say holden v6 is cause they have no idea about jap import engines and they re all old school
but in japan most of the ae86 drifters have sr20t in them
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Location: Baulko Hillo
Registered: April 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 21:40
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bathurst-91 wrote on Thu, 30 December 2004 23:09 | Somone ban this guy
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w3rd....
I say do it man. It would be so hektik it aint funny. And when you fit that $150 levin grille, you will become your namesake.
Personally I really want to see you do it, so I can laugh at yet another person who was unwilling to use their own brain when deciding on an engine conversion.
P.S.
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Registered: February 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Thu, 30 December 2004 22:32
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bahhahahahaa
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Location: Sydney
Registered: January 2003
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Location: B risbane
Registered: November 2004
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Thu, 30 December 2004 22:46
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Alchemist wrote on Fri, 31 December 2004 09:41 | You'd be better to go get the 5VZ-FE that's for sale on this forum in the engines section for $2500 with the lot.
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Wasn't it $1200? Makes the conversion even cheaper!
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I supported Toymods
Location: fairfield NSW
Registered: January 2003
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Fri, 31 December 2004 00:02
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gotta love the pics!
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I supported Toymods
Location: Australia
Registered: November 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Fri, 31 December 2004 01:38
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Alchemist wrote on Fri, 31 December 2004 06:41 | You'd be better to go get the 5VZ-FE that's for sale on this forum in the engines section for $2500 with the lot. Least it's an alloy quad cam, probably similar performace and should be a damn sight lighter.
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Errr, try solid iron block.
The camry V6 is the all alloy.
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Location: nelson, new zealand
Registered: October 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Fri, 31 December 2004 01:58
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130kw is easy from a 4age/te
flag the v6 waaaay too much weight, hassle etc etc
and fit a hot 4ag/te
if you wanna play with crummydore 6s get another car
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Location: townsville NQLD
Registered: February 2004
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Fri, 31 December 2004 02:21
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i thought about this 4 my RA40, i could buy a whole car, datsun dualcab that had a commo V6 in it and celica g/box and modded sump 4 about $2000 maximum. but i think a 1ggte would be better 4 me.
in my oppinion, having a light car like that, u are better off having a light engine too. having a bommadore engine would ruin the handling and make it steer like a boat.
other things to consider- sump, front suspension coz it will sag under the all-steel boat anchor of a engine
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Location: brisvegas
Registered: August 2004
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Fri, 31 December 2004 02:24
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4AGZE, heaps of torque, bolt in..120kw to play with..repsonds awsome to mods..only 15-20 kgs heavier than a 4age..how can you go wrong??
these engines really do behave like a straight 6..ubundance of torque down low in the revs..
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Location: NSW, East Coast
Registered: July 2003
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Fri, 31 December 2004 06:09
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Has anyone thought about the legal side of this enterprise, im thinking v6 fagadore motor is too big to fit (capacity wise)legally.
Something like 930kg (weight of AE86) x 3 (for atmo motor's) = 2790cc is the biggest capacity that can be fitted legally.
And i believe 930kg x 2.5 (for f/i) = 2325cc
Just me 2c worth, dont go down the path of the Gemini, go a 4agte or worked 4agze either will do the job with the right lsd upgrade.
Cheers
Steve
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: June 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Fri, 31 December 2004 07:06
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Worst Idea Ever
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I supported Toymods
Location: sydney.au
Registered: August 2002
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Fri, 31 December 2004 07:20
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dont do it.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: January 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Fri, 31 December 2004 07:22
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Ooops got my V6's mixed up, I will be quiet now
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Location: tas
Registered: June 2002
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Fri, 31 December 2004 08:35
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holden suck
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Location: adelaide
Registered: April 2003
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Fri, 31 December 2004 10:11
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do it to upset the purists
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Location: qld
Registered: October 2003
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Sat, 01 January 2005 00:29
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pro_ke wrote on Fri, 31 December 2004 21:11 | do it to upset the purists
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny shit
its possible to do sure, when it comes down to it, nothing is impossible, but its really your call.
budget ant effort are the real deciding factors.
hell theres a sprinter in brisbane with an RB25 turbo out of a let model r33 skyline, why not use the v6, not my, or most peoples cup of tea, but it would be great......in a straight line.
you then also have to consider the cost of a SERIOUS brake upgrade to go with the extra lard you arer hauling and needing to stop...
my 2c
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Sat, 01 January 2005 01:07
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no stick an ls1 in about the same weight and so much more power plus its a very compact engine
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Sat, 01 January 2005 03:21
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LOL
I call troll.
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Sat, 01 January 2005 09:32
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Hmmm... Personally not my ideal choice of engine - but - the main reason to do it is to see how many people you can get telling you you're an idiot! With enough effort etc. it could be made to work probably better than anyone here will tell you it will, and if you can do it well and be proud of it that's more important than others' opinions.
Much as I dislike the Buick V6, it's still a slight step up on a 202
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Location: Castle Hill, Sydney
Registered: February 2004
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Sat, 01 January 2005 11:17
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december 30 2004 is a while ago ey;-)
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: June 2004
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Sat, 01 January 2005 15:44
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I second the motion for installing an LS1. Heaps of V8 VT and VX commodores that jerks have wrapped around trees/poles/other wankers.
Might wanna think about a diff upgrade tho . .
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I Supported Toymods
Location: south Melbourne/KL
Registered: June 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Sat, 01 January 2005 21:06
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stick to 4 cylinders. Save $$$ on spark plugs
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: January 2004
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Sat, 01 January 2005 23:23
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omg i cant believe im reading this....
DO NOT do this conversion, u will be shunned and hated, and the car will be absolute crap.
"yay lets rev this thing out.... to 5 grand" ROFLMAO
it would be the WORST sprinter ever, man whats with ppl thinking that u need so much power, u DONT.
BTW u dont have to pay $5k for a conversion, u could get a 4age in there for $2k, and thats if u pay too much for the motor, and pay $1k to fit it. dirt cheap and all u need
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: June 2004
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Sun, 02 January 2005 08:33
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Arch wrote on Sun, 02 January 2005 10:23 |
it would be the WORST sprinter ever, man whats with ppl thinking that u need so much power, u DONT.
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I've NEVER driven a car with too much power. It is a foreign concept to Me. Got wheelspin? Use less throttle dickhead!
Less than 390hp in a commodore feels gutless and sluggish to me, and yes: I know they weigh in at twice what the Hachi-roku does.
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Location: Canberra
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 03 January 2005 04:25
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Why would anyone consider using a 1967 Buick V6 motor in anything?. They are one of the most agricultural engines I have ever had the mispleasure of driving. They have not changed significantly since I drove 1 in 1968.
Heaps of better optons around.
regards Chuck.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: November 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:03
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definately go the LS1 - just make sure you get a factory holden warranty for the 2 rebuilds and the $800 water pump replacement you will need in the first 18 months (although they wouldn't cover my mates water pump under warranty: another disgruntled GMH purist)
Might as well add the holden/ford BTR (or whatever the company is now called)diff with factory standard whine and collapsed pinion bearings to finish the package
But seriously, people like the domestic motors because they're simple and easy to work on. But that is what you get, a SIMPLE motor. And in some cases not as reliable as simplicity should be. Most of the crowd 40 or over are scared of the technology, just remember what happened to bathurst with the godzilla's.
Modern Jap motors are very reliable and for dollars spent perform extremely good. A tired commodore v6 with a supercharger kit on it won't last very long - and for the price of a rebuild you could have bolted some decent huffers on a 1jz or 2jz* with a factory bottom-end assembly that will last forever <*or insert other suitable toyo mill that fits in an 86>
i agree with Chuck - heaps of better options around.
Mark.
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Location: Ballarat, Vic
Registered: December 2002
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:13
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When will people learn. Dont mess with a great formula, all you have to do is sit a 4AG between the strut towers!! Less mess, less fuss but loads of fun!! Dont get me wrong there are some great engine conversions out there, but remember the KISS rule, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID! I have an 86 with a GZE in the bay but am considering swaping back to a 4AG with, wait for it.... WEBBERS!! Ah that side draft roar! simple as hell and butt loads of fun!!
Why would you fit a vintage engine any way, can anyone remember what pushrods are these days?? Seems even thoes great lovers of the pushrod engine, Holden, are being draged kicking and screaming to where the japanese where ten or more years ago!!
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:18
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pclabrat wrote on Mon, 03 January 2005 16:03 | definately go the LS1 - just make sure you get a factory holden warranty for the 2 rebuilds and the $800 water pump replacement you will need in the first 18 months (although they wouldn't cover my mates water pump under warranty: another disgruntled GMH purist)
Might as well add the holden/ford BTR (or whatever the company is now called)diff with factory standard whine and collapsed pinion bearings to finish the package
But seriously, people like the domestic motors because they're simple and easy to work on. But that is what you get, a SIMPLE motor. And in some cases not as reliable as simplicity should be. Most of the crowd 40 or over are scared of the technology, just remember what happened to bathurst with the godzilla's.
Modern Jap motors are very reliable and for dollars spent perform extremely good. A tired commodore v6 with a supercharger kit on it won't last very long - and for the price of a rebuild you could have bolted some decent huffers on a 1jz or 2jz* with a factory bottom-end assembly that will last forever <*or insert other suitable toyo mill that fits in an 86>
i agree with Chuck - heaps of better options around.
Mark.
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DUDE....you have a 302 in a TA22? NOICE! I am in the lengthy process of placing one in an MA61 supra...
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:20
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yes and no, considering they just released a brand new 6.0l V8 with wait for it pushrods, I wouldn't say they have changed. The v6 however was at the end of its life and no mor power could really be squeezed out of it for a factory engine. So it was time to upgrade plus the fact that it a hoary old engine anyhow. The ls2 although with pushrods is a pretty good engine all alloy and 300kw or near enough out of the box. A set of extractors, exhaust better cold air induction and you have around 330+kw. Thats over 50kw per L which isn't too bad for so called old technology.
It can also pull away from the lights in third gear off idle with ease due to its mountain of torque down low unlike the gen111. It weighs marginally more than a 4cyl sits nice and low in the engine bay and has the ford V8 kicked to bits.
But torque of V8's in sprinters is just crazy its too light a car, realistically a 4agze or even a 3sge out of an mr2 with a few mods is plentiful, otherwise the thing will just become a bitch to drive. Be a daily driver events like rain with an overpowered car become a nightmare.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:22
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you would never get v8 torque down in a sprinter...wheelspin wheelspin and more wheelspin
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:23
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thats why the ls1 is perfect no torque until 4k yay, just kidding
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 06:25
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mind you there is plenty of clubmans and also the new elfins with ls1's in them and they are lighter than sprinters. Very fast very frieghtening and lots of fun, how would you like wheelspin in fourth gear remeber thats a commodore 4th gear capable of topping out at 200+ km/ph
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: November 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 07:28
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v8_ma61 - 302 in a supra would make a very nice car for the open road! Be good to check it out when i'm back in Brisbane hopefully this year. i built the v8celica years ago as a towcar for a drag car. Only drama I had with engineering was it had to be on lpg only as the motor is older than the car (pollution adr's then no longer apply). It's in really bad need of a tidy up as i've just re-registered it after plenty of years being under an uncles house in Victoria.
It's just a cruiser, my other celica with the 18RG is a much more fun car to drive, revvy motors belong in small light cars. Even if it's not as fast or powerful the driving experience is much more satisfying. I'm sure this applies to the sprinter as well.
I do agree you can make good power with a pushrod motor, and even streetable big hp with a roller cam, but it's always good to take the piss out of the LS1 dilemma's considering the holden & hsv marketing hype
and how a family sedan needs 250+kw to do the grocery shopping.
wife:"do you mind if i take the hsv, honey?"
bloke:"why can't you take your car?"
wife:"well, i might want to do a few laps of the local race track on the way back home from picking billy and the twins up from school..."
hehe
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 03 January 2005 09:35
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bloke: "Don't forget to call the tanker guy, the HSV needs a refill.."
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: June 2004
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Mon, 03 January 2005 09:38
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Read the Clubby R8 vs Falco GT-P comparo in Motor: The LS2 makes more torque lower in the RPM range, and more HP higher than the Ford's Quad cam, quad valve wundermotor. I'm not saying Ford knows how to build a tops quad-cam motor, and yes: I know it gives the chev lump 600cc. Still, it's a PERCEPTION that quad cam is high-tech and pushrods are old-hat.
Twin overhead cams and quad-valve heads have been around for 90 years folks. They've been in production road cars for 85 years. I know it's largely corporate propaganda, but the Gen III / IV REALLY is lighter, narrower, shorter and has a lower C.o.G. than an DOHC engine.
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: January 2005
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Mon, 03 January 2005 09:51
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Have you ever seen that RB25t powered sprinter turn?? I think he got the record for the most number of loops at QLD Raceway.
But then again I think he just pulled a 10 down the quarter.
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Location: melb
Registered: March 2004
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Location: melb
Registered: March 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Mon, 03 January 2005 12:33
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ok first off, if i ever see commonwhore parts on a sprinter, i would have to stab the owner in the face with a soldering iron.
dont do it or the above will follow . i mean seriously a commonwhore v6 into a 86. its just not right . the high points of an 86 is its wieght and balance. ur jus gonna go fuck that up cos ur cheap? please dont. stick with your performance 4ac carby rice boy.
shit seriously man, its making me angry just thinking about it.
please ban him now
sab
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: June 2003
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Mon, 03 January 2005 12:42
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levin_boi wrote on Mon, 03 January 2005 22:33 | ok first off, if i ever see commonwhore parts on a sprinter, i would have to stab the owner in the face with a soldering iron.
dont do it or the above will follow . i mean seriously a commonwhore v6 into a 86. its just not right . the high points of an 86 is its wieght and balance. ur jus gonna go fuck that up cos ur cheap? please dont. stick with your performance 4ac carby rice boy.
shit seriously man, its making me angry just thinking about it.
please ban him now
sab
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constructive criticism dude? At least give the poor bastard some ideas. a 3SGTE might be a good swap for him if he *SAVES* some money...
pclabrat - yeah with a bit of luck she should be pretty slippery...and it should be nice and torquey to give a bash around the streets...its also gonna see the strip a fair bit as well...hence my diff worries and uncertainties what to do...
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Location: melb
Registered: March 2004
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Mon, 03 January 2005 12:50
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ok sorry my bad, i got angry when i first read it. dont wreck the front to rear balance of the 86 by putting the heavy v6 in it. sprinters were never designed to house so much power. so unless your planning to reinforce the body and upgrade your brakes there is no point in doing this conversion. also this isnt exactly the cheapest conversion you could do. sprinters dont need huge amounts of power to drift. if you really want some punch from your right foot then consider going down the 3sgte path. atleast this isnt an untrecked path and there are many people on this forum that could help you out.
the soldering iron will be waiting for u if u go the commonwhore
do the right thing
sab
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Location: On your mum!
Registered: May 2002
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Mon, 03 January 2005 13:14
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I never bothered opening this thread until tonight because the title told me that it was a waste of time. Now that I have read it, I can state for sure that while it was a waste of time, there was a barrage of funny responses but one under lying theme DONT STICK THE COMMODORE ENGINE IN THE SPRINTER I can think of no worse conversion (hang on how about a 3cyl Lister diesel into an Alfa Romeo GTV?).
I read the article with the orange Gemini with the V6 and I can tell you that any half sorted turbo 4 will chomp it to bits in a straight line.
(damn why did I bother replying?)
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Mon, 03 January 2005 14:31
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Thing is ANY piston engine is hideously inefficient, old hat, etc. They ALL only achieve appalingly low efficiency. The Ford V8 is a ruined stroked version of a much better 4.6 litre unit. The buick V6 is an old design, definately not power productive, and made with inferior parts - heck even the crankshaft is crap. The LS1 is fairly power productive, and made with much better bits than the earlier engines, but has a serious thirst issue...
That all said, how many of you have been for a ride in a pretty wild 'old school, crap' V8 engine'd car that pulls hard? Yes it's expensive, dirty, inefficient, etc., but the sound/feel/etc. certainly is a great experience. Then again I also love fours, sixes, rotors, etc. - so I've got a problem, don't I!
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Registered: May 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Mon, 03 January 2005 20:17
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Corona RT142 wrote on Mon, 03 January 2005 17:25 | mind you there is plenty of clubmans and also the new elfins with ls1's in them and they are lighter than sprinters. Very fast very frieghtening and lots of fun, how would you like wheelspin in fourth gear remeber thats a commodore 4th gear capable of topping out at 200+ km/ph
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lighter than a sprinter...? i honestly want what you are smoking dude
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Mon, 03 January 2005 22:52
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Um... he's talking about those little two-seat racers (Lotus Seven replicas), which I can assure you are much lighter than any Corolla.
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Tue, 04 January 2005 05:13
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Soulfire indeed what the fuck are you smoking to think nothing is lighter than a sprinter, with 4cyl they are around 600kg, with ls1 and wider body they only weigh 800kg, so I don't think I the one smoking anything, add to that some nobs supercharging them and making 370-400kw youch, thats a killer power to weight ratio.
Further to the argument about the shitty ford quad cam, The thing is physically huge sits high in the engine bay raising centre of gravity, with its huge stroke of 105.8mm it can't rev and it weighs shitloads more than any ls1.
As for the sprinetr being a daily driver a 4agze or 3sge from a late model mr2 with 129kw would make is nice and nippy.
Talk of v8's is just dreamy and would end up ruining the handling balance of the car if not beacuse of weight but because you can't bring the throotle on coing out of a corner as it will just spit you out.
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Location: Mt Gravatt, QLD, Australi...
Registered: May 2004
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Re: commore v6 in to hachi
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Tue, 04 January 2005 08:35
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Corona RT142 wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 16:13 | Soulfire indeed what the fuck are you smoking to think nothing is lighter than a sprinter, with 4cyl they are around 600kg, with ls1 and wider body they only weigh 800kg, so I don't think I the one smoking anything, add to that some nobs supercharging them and making 370-400kw youch, thats a killer power to weight ratio.
Further to the argument about the shitty ford quad cam, The thing is physically huge sits high in the engine bay raising centre of gravity, with its huge stroke of 105.8mm it can't rev and it weighs shitloads more than any ls1.
As for the sprinetr being a daily driver a 4agze or 3sge from a late model mr2 with 129kw would make is nice and nippy.
Talk of v8's is just dreamy and would end up ruining the handling balance of the car if not beacuse of weight but because you can't bring the throotle on coing out of a corner as it will just spit you out.
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ohh sorry, complete lack of comunication, i thought you were talking about hsv clubsports erk.
*will think more before posting next time*
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