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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sat, 15 January 2005 14:14
 
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Wish it was english so I could read that 
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sat, 15 January 2005 21:08
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can someone read this and tell me the conclusion they came to?
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sun, 16 January 2005 01:18
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I can't speak japanese either, bu t i think it says that you can spend a lot of money on a bling'd up set of thick wires ... or you can clean and re-instate your exising earthing points for just about the same outcome - only major difference is that your wallet still has cash in it?
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Sun, 16 January 2005 06:00
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I agree to that! like really whatuses the manifold for example as a return path for the current? I am electrician and I dont get it, have a nice big earth strap on the block, end of story.
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sun, 16 January 2005 21:20
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earthing kits = stupid.
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sun, 16 January 2005 22:42
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i believe it says that he gets a better ignition signal from the earthing kit, this will give the motor a smoother idle and power response, much in the same way a large set of ignition leads make a difference over the stock 5mm leads on a 4age. still, i wouldn't expect the difference to be as noticeable, if noticeable at all
still, why the fuck would you buy a "kit" of super ultra high performance red leads and anodised fittings when you can buy some black heavy gauge wire and crimp terminals and make it yourself for a quarter of the price
i think a good clean block-to-chassis and block-to-negative earth is more than sufficient, the only thing which could probably benefit from better earth is the head, and you'd just run that down to the block earth point that goes to the battery anyway
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sun, 16 January 2005 23:40
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the best way to rid yourself of grounding problems is to...
not ground....
i have all my high current devices.. in fact nearly all devices on my car, earthing sirect to the battery. the only exception is the starter motor and the tail lights (as they earth to body.. no extra wire).
since i was rewiring, i just ran 4, 8 and 12 gauge earth wires to the big stuff..
if you wer actually worried abotu the voltage differences, you would do the same.. ie run a power AND earth wire from fuel pump, ign etc, direct to battery.
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As for the car the ground line is installed in each every block, but with the sheet metal, paint rides in the attaching screw part and resistance of the body increases and reaches, with repair and the like of ply beta calls for the sake of and the like of light weight conversion and when the ground line is not wired, is discovered.
Furthermore the car becomes old and the contact failure and the like occurs if with aged deterioration, sufficiently the effect is thought even with wiring of 3 squares that it is born. Installing at the beginning perhaps, bodily sensation it is not possible, but as for installing as contact failure preventive step you think that there is no problem. The effect is not expected as a point of caution too much. Pliability can be given in wiring. It is not to make remainder thick. To the last, it becomes standard such as sensor and power source, the one which was thought reinforcement "of the ground" is better, probably will be.
With AE system the ground of ECU has fallen to the intake manifold. The car where resistance of wiring increases (as for the ground to the negative terminal of the battery it is effective) with from intake manifold such as AE86 and AE92. Because as for AE101 and AE111, originally wiring is optimized and is thick there is no voltage difference almost, as for wiring to the intake manifold it judged that it is unnecessary. Verifying, even with the other car the genuine ground is taken somewhere by the diagram and the service book when it strengthens with the same point, you think that you can obtain the result securely.
Furthermore as for the ground line the potential dirrerence due to sucking the water because almost it does not come out, like the ground line of the cell end does not process the terminal part with the heat contraction tube and also the て probably is OK. It meaning that also wiring is thick, riding, as for in る period being cut off with the rust being not to be able to think, terminal processing of the ground line may think problem of the eye which was seen, probably will be. Price difference has been born with method of thinking the shop which has been produced. If with experiment 2 squares or more it is, like the sel-motor big electric current (above 10A) it is not the part which is consumed, almost it does not change.
If before about the recent (10 years) the genuine ground wire plural as for the car which is pulled there is no looseness and the like of the screw, attaching the ground wire, removing, it did not cause the difference of the extent which is surprised. If electric current considerably increases with imitation ignition system, perhaps the effect it is. By the fact that strengthening the ground which goes to the circuit whose electric current is many preferentially the other ground means to be good even with while it is genuine. It states the reason below.
By electric current of the ignition type ECU alternator type may be related to power, considerably such as car of former times and being genuine, the manufacturer which does not stretch the ground line excessively (Mitsubishi Honda) other than if potential dirrerence decreased with ground wire addition, as there was an effect and it tested, but it became the result that in this potential dirrerence ripple it is removed completely in the stabilization power circuit inside the equipment, inside the equipment completely is not the effect. (With run sir ギャラン CITY some effect after AE101 which is the bodily sensation effect it is not with the data barely improvement)
If we assume that the ground is effective, when there is a restoration calendar near the ground screw and paint rides in the part of the ground screw and is a contact failure and the like is. When with example in case of the ground where is supplied with just 1 there is a contact failure when electric current flows mainly in the one where heavy-current of the inside light/write and the like of the plural electric parts flows voltage of light/write side falls and e.g., tightening the screw of negative side of the part and the battery terminal which with light/write system depend on the body ground in such part is loose with, the light/write originally compared to becomes dark and also electric potential of the person who does not eat electric current goes down, (potential drop) being, there to be times when it is lower than the voltage which the equipment needs originally expectation of direct current adjusting to load and voltage falling big There are times when it causes ripple and because equipment supply voltage is low extremely, it cannot take ripple. When the light/write is used, when such that there not to be a power impression is, the terminal contact failure is main point check. The ground wire which is called the ground is not the part which is used in this kind of mere contact failure measure.
As for addition of the ground wire when ground side it depends on just the conductor resistance of the body with the part where electric current flows mainly (the alternator section when light/write sel-motor battery voltage is low) is an effect. In the old car as for the contact failure being to cause also some appearance, as for the ground of the sel-motor sel-motor rpm becomes proper and starting characteristic becomes good.
But as for this kind of thing whether, originally at development point in time "measure of branch was sweet", "the breakdown where increases contact resistance with such as aged deterioration and looseness" is not something which occurs from the fact that "service does not do" with while is that you think whether. If originally whether or not it is serviced, is ahead.
In case of the breakdown which this kind of contact failure occurs after at the time of the new model car completely as for problem it is the expectation which is not because before first attaching the ground wire, doing the service which loses the contact failure, trying grounding, appraisal either the test or the one which is done is virtue.
Cheap model cost anti- performance (the result) for decreasing cost with the contrast to be easy to make is dropped with wiring which is short in the nearby body and (it seems that the production where wiring becomes short are) times when such as ease the ground lines to near the battery are few with just the る.
If the screw is tightened to the method the screw of the battery terminal just is loose diverging from the terminal, it is solved. .
Being the cause this time of being trouble to tell the truth the battery terminal just to be loose and to be able to tighten that, that there are times when you think whether it is not to be many e.g., there is no trouble. Being terminal contact failure, when it is potential drop, loosening the terminal screw, グリグリ and 2 - 3 times turning the terminal of the lead, to produce the skin of the new lead, after making the terminal contact securely, if it tightens the screw securely, it is the trouble which is repaired. ^ ^; ; You attached the new battery by your and could apply but the car where the screw tightening is loose is discovered well enough.
Direction around heart recommends that it tries checking the love car.
Also each manufacturer recognition it is thought from age about after the AE101 previous term that it begins the importance of the ground.
As for model before there are also some which is not the auxiliary ground wire from this year formula, as for ground wire addition when it is effective is many, is.
Being able to meet depending upon the electronic equipment, when it has considered the ground point, being to be and, there to be also times when the strange GND loop is formed with the bypass of the new wire originally equipment side (the side where the effect is visible) with measuring the ripple mark, when it decides you think the genuine drawing around that the one which it adds to reference as assistance is good. If there is an effect, if you look at the difference the both ends where we would like to attach the wire by all means, because interchange it is the expectation where it is visible that direct current voltage and the ripple mark decrease. . If it has decreased, the effect means a certain thing, but above certain part increasing, not to be improved, it becomes. This in the recent Toyota car and the like looking at room even in genuine state, is the expectation which decides the thickness and the like of the ground position cable. .
Above the contents which are thought were stated. The additional effect of the ground wire depends on model it is the result that and it depends on also service state.
First measuring the voltage the both ends where we would like to attach the ground wire, when being accustomed, which extent it goes down, whether (there is an effect) we recommend that you see. (Especially electricity lover one)
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Or more here as for wasteful ones being to be the principle which is not stacked it states the experimental result above necessity, but method of thinking is each person. Remainder you do not think hard and as for the one which is enjoyed in accessory feeling you think that in feeling of plug cord selection it should have chosen in lux and budget. If the eye concern which you saw if red and blue, yellow, green and the transparent genuine っ ぽ く it does the insulated clothing, if black, and so on it does, you think purpose that it can achieve. As for red plus with being to be times when you make a mistake the one which it stops is safe.
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Sun, 16 January 2005 23:48
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ie,
if you have loose bolts at the ground wire connectors, or the connectors are dirty, or there is paint in the bolt/nut threads, then cleaning and retightening will help heaps.
in productionc ars the earth wirs are put where convenient and short to reduce costs, and as such, may not be ideal for providing the 'best' earth, but does provide a 'good' earth.
and the biggest difference they saw was 30mv, ie 0.03V... and 0.1V when bolts were loose.
so basically, stock and good condition is fine, but if you add high current devices, then earth them properly and it's all good 
[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2005 23:49]
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Mon, 17 January 2005 07:57
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it wasn't about bling.
i found it interesting as the results of the test.
im no auto electrician but there is stuff about getting it alright.
its just an experiment not selling brand stuff or rice
use www.altavista.com to translate the site
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Tech Article - AE8X-XXX Grounding
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Tue, 18 January 2005 04:47
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| mikey93 wrote on Mon, 17 January 2005 18:57 |
it wasn't about bling.
i found it interesting as the results of the test.
im no auto electrician but there is stuff about getting it alright.
its just an experiment not selling brand stuff or rice
use www.altavista.com to translate the site
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agreed... good results.. the difference being millivolts
similar results presented by "performance companies" showing that the grounding kit works... it does, but the value is rather questionable, as was discussed in a previous thread..
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