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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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That's an RA60 Celica, they started making them in late 81, then in late 83 (was that it?) they changed the appearance slightly and they became an SA63.
My RA60 is an 1981 and looks like that one.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:39
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which ... the white one ?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:41
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Yeah, the other one didn't come up for me the first time.
Because the RA60 was released in late 1981, it is often referred to as an 82 model car.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:49
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also we didnt get the flares. Only import gt models have them (rare) or supras.
also its worth the extra couple of bucks to get an sa63 or ra65 or if money permits ma60 (this one has flares  )
advantages of these 3 models are efi (for ra65 and ma60), irs + better diff, more power
the white car in that pictures is an ra60 which has a 2.0 ltre SOHC carby engine, makes 67kw from memory, has live rear axle.
Look for rust in the hatch as well ( i think it came from the factory liek this  )
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:51
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Check that it runs alright, check for rust in the bottom of the doors and especially in the tailgate. Check if there are any major dents, or if it's been in an accident at some stage.
The price seems about ballpark got a decent condition RA60, especially from a dealer.
I'll agree with the above though, an RA65 in particular has a few more things going for it than an RA60 for not much extra.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:54
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but by looking at that photo you can see the flares on the rear of it so it must be an import, and *could* it have a RA65 in it or was that DEfinatly not in 81's
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:55
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They aren't flares, they are just the normal guards.
The RA65 didn't start till like 84.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 15:57
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would it be worth the upgrade from a great condition AE82 seca ??
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 16:02
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I personally think they are much nicer to drive. If you don't have a twin-cam Corolla, it'll probably be a little bit quicker, but when you're talking snails, every bit counts 
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 16:04
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hehehe...
Well from what ive seen around the net .. celica's look a lot nicer inside and out compared to rollas. for $1500 it wouldnt be a bad buy ehhh ?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 16:11
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Probably not, but I'd check out a couple of other ones before you decide to buy. Take them for a drive and make up your mind that way.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 21:23
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dont buy the celica unless you want to modify it.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 22:10
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coFF33,
If you go to http://www.redbook.com.au that site will tell you roughly tell you the market values of the Celicas.
The Silver one is the RA40
The White one is the RA60
Then there is the(1983-mid 1984) SA63 2S-C motor with IRS and the (mid 1984-1985) RA65 22-RE with IRS...
Cheers.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 22:43
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Well there is also an 88' Celica at another dealership
but its 88' which means its FWD which is no fun 
the 88' is $3000
im still keen for the 81' though
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 20 January 2005 23:24
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Then how about not looking at dealerships!?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Fri, 21 January 2005 06:00
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the difference between fwd and rwd is pretty much negligable if you dont have a locker or lsd (as i found out at caulder) and unless you plan to turn it into a drift pig i'd just gte a st162 with 3s-ge. These things can be made to go pretty damn hard and its a twincam efi setup + much better handling.
If you really want an oldschool celica thats rwd go for a supra, they look better, lsd, power everything, 140hp, efi, disks all round
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Mon, 24 January 2005 02:26
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"but its 88' which means its FWD which is no fun "
Did I miss something here?
I own an 89 fwd celica, its stacks of fun!!
I upgraded from a mildly worked RA40 (silver one in pictures).
The ST162 handles very well, and the 3SGE engine is a delight.
Good suspension, low driving position.
It does serious burnouts, and if you want to lose the back end there is a pretty tidy device called a handbrake.
my 2cents
Cheers,
-Adam
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Tue, 25 January 2005 07:59
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Guys im going to get this Celica the 82' (white one) its $1500 and i test drove it, so smooth and the seats THE SEATS ! so comfy.
Anyway ... i have $1500 now i love my little rolla Beast AE82
and i dont wanna sell it but depending on what i can do with the celica i just might.
Ive been searching these forums and the internet for well .. not body kits but an "extension" for the front bumper. i have seen pics of some "body kit" but its not.. ... it like an added piece of bumper that is just under the actual bumper. and im wondering
1. is this possable to get in WA if no somewhere over East.
2. how much approx are they.
Also the Celica is missing the "parcel shelf" on the hatch im wondering also are they easy to find in Aust too and the approx price.??
im pretty sure i can get around $2500 for my rolla seeing as its in quite good nick with a nice stereo and new tyres.
if i was to sell it. the money would most definatly goto a new engine for the celica. because from what ive read the 21r-c is a "POS" and there is better out there. ??
if i was to put another engine in it i would like to keep the car AUTO. would this be a problem ?? also what kind of engine would be around $2k to install ??
also when i buy the car next week ill throw some pics up here of it so you all can tell me what ya think
anyway if someone can answer the questions that would be great
cheers
-Richo
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Tue, 25 January 2005 08:09
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If you can afford it, the late model (ST162 with 3SGE) would be a better buy, IMHO. As much as I love the XA6X shape and RWD, the twin-cam 3SGE is a much better engine (and noticably faster), the ST62 is a lot more modern and comfy to drive. And, as stated above, with an auto RA60, you're really not going to be able to appreciate any benefit from the RWD.
But, if your heart's set on the '81, enjoy ....
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Tue, 25 January 2005 09:48
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so whats the flares thing? are they an option or are the something special? and imported 60 series celicas??
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Tue, 25 January 2005 12:11
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only some models got the flairs. in australia they only came on the ma60 supra's.
2 grand will not get you much in the way of an engine conversion, for that money you'll only be able to put in a reco'd stocky of some sort
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 00:54
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Can someone post up a bit more info on the RA65 and MA60?? like outputs, options etc?? I've always liked the XA6X celicas, being the last RWD celica (not that theres anything wrong with FWD...  ). I've seen a few RA6X's running about with badges saying 2.4XT...?? perhaps a 2.4L 6?? EFI?? ANy info would be appreciated 
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 01:17
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| Intensevil wrote on Tue, 25 January 2005 23:11 |
only some models got the flairs. in australia they only came on the ma60 supra's.
2 grand will not get you much in the way of an engine conversion, for that money you'll only be able to put in a reco'd stocky of some sort
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I was just trying to work out why my coupe has flares? Did someone else put them there?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 01:42
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| coFF33 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2005 06:43 |
Well there is also an 88' Celica at another dealership
but its 88' which means its FWD which is no fun
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Yeah, I used to think that until I started driving an ST162 (1986-89) Celica around - great handling, good performance, and much more modern looking than the wedge. The addition of a 1993 MR2 motor also helps!
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 01:58
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| CLG wrote on Wed, 26 January 2005 12:42 |
Yeah, I used to think that until I started driving an ST162 (1986-89) Celica around - great handling,
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Have you taken it out on a track? ie Barbagallo if your from WA?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 03:25
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i agree the 6o series celicas handle like crap, thats why iv'e tossed all the std. stuff. the ST celica's are very good for front drivers, but do need improving.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 05:02
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| rokusan wrote on Wed, 26 January 2005 11:25 |
i agree the 6o series celicas handle like crap, thats why iv'e tossed all the std. stuff. the ST celica's are very good for front drivers, but do need improving.
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Not all of them, I have a freak car, slow as anything in a straight line, but hangs on tenaciously around corners. Methinks someone has had a fiddle with the suspension.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 07:52
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| vsvsicks wrote on Wed, 26 January 2005 11:54 |
...I've seen a few RA6X's running about with badges saying 2.4XT...?? perhaps a 2.4L 6?? EFI?? ANy info would be appreciated
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The 2.4i XT are the RA65 with a 4 Cylinder 22-RE (EFI) motor in it...
The MA61 Celica-Supra (Aust Spec) have a 6 cylinder 5M-E (EFI) motor in it...
Cheers.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 07:55
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| rokusan wrote on Tue, 25 January 2005 20:48 |
so whats the flares thing? are they an option or are the something special? and imported 60 series celicas??
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Can you post up some photos of the flares you are talking about, some where done after market like Mentor's RA65 and there was MaxDamage75's SA63 were it's got MA61 flares on the front and I belive TA63 flares on the back...
Cheers.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Wed, 26 January 2005 10:55
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mine look just like theirs, but i don't know if they're factory?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 27 January 2005 12:35
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from the factory without modification i think it would be wise to purchase an SA63
ra60 as we all know has the 21r-c not very desirable lo cap carby
another con, solid axle rear end.... while it has it +++'s (could make a tough drifter!) is not as strong as the 6.5" and 7.5" in the sa63 and ra65 respectivley...
the sa63 has the 2s-c also carby but a extremely reliable engine used in many platforms including the st141(corona!) with the sa63 u get the new style flip up lights which i believe as most people agree are more aesthetically pleasing, other perks big improvement over solid rear end with the irs featuring 6.5" s series diff and w 55
ra65 is easily the best buy if u ahve the money, comes the all the bits. i own both an sa63 and ra65 and the 2.4L 22r-e in the ra65 is a very enjoyable ride because the very early torque delivery! u end up with a baffled and electric pumped fuel tank (good for the oddd conversion!) and also in some models the top of the range W series gearbox (used in supras right up to '90)
u have the irs rear end with f series diff which is considered one the strong diff's around under some of the g series diff. the 7.5" is an easy swap for an LSD item out of an ma61.
if u have the money go ra65 because it is got the gear u will use in a conversion. same can be said for the sa63 because it has some of the required gear for a 3s-gte conversion. my opinion is the only thing i would buy an ra60 for the solid rear end for the use in a serious drift car.
sorry for the long post...
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 27 January 2005 12:47
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| timottaway wrote on Thu, 27 January 2005 22:35 |
other perks big improvement over solid rear end with the irs featuring 6.5" s series diff and w 55
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The SA63 has a T series diff, 6.7".
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 27 January 2005 12:49
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I agree with timottaway in regards in trying to find an RA65 if you can afford it or a SA63 if you can't... Only problem I have is that with the SA63 it's carby...
Cheers.
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Thu, 27 January 2005 15:41
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well seeing as the RA60 im getting is going to be so cheap id like some advice on what engine and the approx price it will cost to buyand install the engine.
from what ive been reading a "3s" engine from an SA63 sounds good .. whats the approx price to get one and install it? ?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 27 January 2005 22:54
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3S conversion = $$$$$$$. If you're on a budget, scratch that one off your list straight away.
It's generally agreed the best bang-for-your-buck is the 1G-GTE. 210hp stock, 250hp with some mild tweaks, relatively straightforward install, lots of people have done it.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Thu, 27 January 2005 23:08
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does that mean i have to import the engine from Japan?
or would there be some in perth ?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Fri, 28 January 2005 01:21
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All 1G's are imported from Japan, but you don't have to import it yourself, just talk to an engine importer in your area and they'll likely have one in stock. I'm sure the WA regulars will be able to tell you the best places to go.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Fri, 28 January 2005 10:24
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Plenty of places should have 1G's in Perth, although I got mine from Adelaide Try CLG on the forums, he usually has one lying around.
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Fri, 28 January 2005 10:48
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my 3s conversion has cost at least $5k already, and it's not running yet engine, g'box, clutch, fuel system, computer, turbo, manifolds, roll cage, engine rebuild, susp.,cooling etc.. etc.... ah but it be worth it!!! hehehe silvia eater 
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Fri, 28 January 2005 16:58
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Pics?
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Sat, 29 January 2005 02:09
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show me how to post? or host? or enable me
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Sat, 29 January 2005 04:13
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Can't wait to see these pics
Mentor's RA65 is a weird one, hes told me its a 'sports' package, that some rare ra65s recieved locally.
MaxDamage's Sa63, well he doesnt keep it clean, filty bugger
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Sat, 29 January 2005 05:06
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Rokusan, email the pics to me and I'll host them for you.
norbee@optusnet.com.au
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Re: Celica 83 or 81 ?? why is there 2 diff...
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Tue, 08 February 2005 10:14
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CLG is his username, just PM him or something. As for that budget, mine cost $6k doing it all myself. Sure I went a bit nutso on some things and it could be done for at least a couple of grand cheaper, but there is no way a mechanic would have it done for less than that.
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