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Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 01:25
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hi yeall,
Im thinking of taking off those black stripes that run along the side of my car, (look at my avatar). I pulled one of the back ones off to find that toyota cut 2 holes in the panel! Im not sure if each one has that, But im assuming they would. Anyway is it easy to patch these holes up? what would I need to do it? ALSO i read somewhere that the 22R-e head can be placed on the 21Rc? Is this possible, and is there much work required?
Thanks alot,
Andy
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 01:28
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You could put a 22R head on a 21R block, but that would be the worst of both worlds - the most restrictive head on the smallest block! It's usually done the other way around, ie 20R/21R head on a 22R block.
As for the holes, you can either weld em um if you're handy with a welder, or just use body filler. The hard part will be painting over it and getting it to match your 20yo paint.
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 02:06
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With the strips that go across the doors , the last point towards the rear of the car, on the inside of the door there is a bolt, undo that, then rip the strip off... I learnt the hard way and just kept pulling...
With the engine, just swap in the 22RE. The 21R heads are not the same as the 20R heads. Or atleast if you want to be sure, the free flowing heads have round intake ports, my 1982 21R head has square intake ports like the early style 22R's. The 22RE in Australia is like the later style 22RE in the US (Check out www.celica-gts.com). The 22RE has pear shaped exhaust ports and a smaller combustion chamber than the earlier style 22R.
In short, don't bother swapping anything from the 22RE to the 21R, the head isnt compatible without major work to the combustion chamber. The EFI manifold doesnt swap to the 21R. You get the idea.
I think the strips make the car look better imho. I regretted pulling mine off, and I couldnt put them back on, so I masked up the sides and painted some on in flat black, didnt come up too bad.
Cheers,
James
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 02:09
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Thanks man
I guess Ill just give hope that the Ra60 will ever be faster than an electric scooter.... 
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 02:34
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The 21R obviously isn't the best motor to try and make power with....
I've toyed with a few ideas before:
40mm Sidedraft webers, I made my own manifolds that sucked ass.
Then I looked into EFI, pitty my adaptor plate sucked ass too.
I considered an SC14 supercharger, pitty my bracket sucked ass. Over tensioned the belt and stuffed a bearing 
Those were the attempts but. At the moment I have a mild camshaft and a weber 32/36 carbie hooked up and its running quite nice. I made 45kw at the wheels with just the camshaft, so now im curious to see what it makes with the different carby...
Lesson learnt tho. I've wasted too much money on this bloody 21R!
Cheers,
James
PS. Sorry about the pic sizes 
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 04:40
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45 from just the crankshaft? Tell me MORE! 
Well no one can say you diddnt try  And yeah ur right the sillycar does look better with the strips. The reason I wanted to pull them off is cos one day I was parking it in the shed when BAM! I hit the side near the left back wheel with the shed door...and knocked one strip off. ANYWAY I just noticed that the entire right side has had the origonal strips pulled off and replaced with some shitty plastic! ARGH! So now Im thinkin doing the black paint ting...
Andy
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 05:01
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try 45 at teh wheels
http://www.abbeysound.com.au/jnicol/dynosheet.jpg
The camshaft I bought from ebay, got it shipped from US, took forever. Its basically an improvement over stock, or in other words, 'stage 1'.
I'd suggest getting a stage 2 cam, nice downdraft weber carby, maybe extractors, and a bit of porting. That should prove a nice result. But it all depends on how much u wanna spend.
If you have an auto, for the love of christ get rid of it... unless you are into that sorta thing, or are a disabled (been caught out by that before  )
Cheers,
James
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 07:56
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Ok im thinkin of a Weber, but what is its code/part number or whatever, same with the crankshaft?
Thanks,
Andy
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Hobart, Tas
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May 2002
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 13:11
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If you do end up 'deleting' the black strips, and take them off the proper way, I'd be interested in buying them off you.
One day I was washign my car and all this dirt was running down from behind the strips. So I peeled them back... and they went all wiggly waggly, and have been wiggly-waggly ever since! Warning: do not do this!
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 23:32
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Well like I said a couple o posts ago, only the left side is origonal, the other side was replaced with shitty rubber strips, only found noticed the other day, was not amused! So If I do pull em off there would only be the left side...
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Fri, 21 January 2005 23:51
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I like the strips toyota put on our celicas, but i wish they had made them easier to replace.
As for weber carbies, there are two ways I would go. The first is the Weber 32/36 downdraft carby, not too hard to find, usually cheap (Got mine for $50 off ebay with filter!), simple to adjust.
Other option is 2x Weber DCOE 40mm sidedrafts or similar (Solex/Dellorto/etc). This option is much more expensive, more complicated to setup, requires new manifold, etc.
The 32/36 just needs an adaptor plate to bolt up to the stock intake manifold, I bought one from redline. Not the best build quality, but it works.
As for camshafts... just look around for catalogs:
http://www.crowcams.com.au/templates/Catalogue-Toy ota-OHC.shtml
http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show=browsePart s&lvl=2&prt=5&Vehicle_Type=Sport-Compa ct&Cylinders=4&Engine_Make=TOYOTA&Year =1982&Engine_Size=2189-2366%20C.C.
The 20R/21R/22R(e) camshafts are interchangable, so a cam to suit a 22R can bolt into a 21R.
Cheers,
James
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Sat, 22 January 2005 00:40
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Thanks James,
Already found a Weber on Ebay! hopefully Ill win it without losing too much money... Im also thinkning of a new shiny exhaust for the celica, ur signature say u got s 2 inch? Whats it sound like? Im hoping a new exhaust will drown out the horrible truck engine...
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VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Sat, 22 January 2005 04:48
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My truck engine sounds pretty decent, now that i've eliminated most of the valve lash. My exhaust is pretty normal, just a 2" pipe from where a cat could be put into a 2" straight thru lukey muffler a mate gave me. If I can find a voice recorder i'll post it up...
Good luck with the weber. Which car has it come off? I got mine from a 2ltr escort, and to this day I haven't changed the jets, just gave it a clean, runs quite alright, i'm sure there is some improvment to be had with tuning.
Cheers,
James
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NSW
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December 2004
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Re: Removing black strips on RA60 plus 22RE head on 21Rc?
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Sat, 22 January 2005 05:14
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Whats Valve lash and how can I eeliminate it?!
It says that the Webers from a Gemeni 1600, so prolly gunna have to adjust the jets? I really want that weber
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